Proposed Bans On Ritual Slaughter In The UK.

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The Best Way Of Slaughtering An Animal Is That Practised By The Holy Prophet Saw N His Pious Companians IT SHOULD BE FOLOWED BY EVERYONE
 
Muezzin said:
I find it faintly amusing that a vegetarian is telling Jews and Muslims how to slaughter animals.

And before anyone pounces on me, I do not tolerate cruelty to animals, and I have nothing against vegetarians - indeed their diet is very healthy. I just found the situation ironic.
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I'm not sure why. Speaking for myself (only), my vegetarianism is a purely personal decision; I'd recommend it but not preach about it. An awful lot of people eat meat, and an awful lot drink, smoke and take drugs but there's not an awful lot I can do about it.

With that in mind, I don't understand what is so ironic about vegetarians being concerned with ways of rearing and killing the animals to be eaten. Obviously we would like to see both done as humanely as possible - something that is hardly unique to vegetarians. Many meat eaters don't the like idea of factory farming either, and don't eat meat that has been reared in those conditions. As to slaughtering, I have an open mind on which method is the most humane... I think both methods have evidence in their favour. If further research did in fact reveal that ritual slaughter did cause more suffering, I think it should be banned... or on the other hand if it was 'kinder' its use should be made universal. Again, though, if you don't kill them at all, you don't have to worry about the best way of doing it.

BTW, is there anything in the Qur'an that states muslims have to eat meat?
 
Muslim Thinker said:
Does it really matter how painful slaughtering is??? YOU'RE GONNA EAT THE MEAT ANYWAYS.
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Er yes of course it matters. When we eat it its already dead. IT CANT FEEL ANYTHING! But when you are killing it, its not dead yet so it can still feel pain and suffer. Would you want to die a slow, painful death?
 
Er yes of course it matters. When we eat it its already dead. IT CANT FEEL ANYTHING! But when you are killing it, its not dead yet so it can still feel pain and suffer. Would you want to die a slow, painful death?
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How does that matter?? Killing is killing....it's gonna die and be eaten. If u worry about the pain shouldnt u be giving up the killing to begin with??
 
snakelegs said:
sir z,
i think you misread my post.
i said islam does consider causing animals to suffer a sin.
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So you did... so you did. :giggling: ;D :okay:

Kheir, someone had to post those quotes anyway, so by misreading your post, i have made your comment a tad bit stronger by providing proof... :playing:
 
Muslim Thinker said:
Are all Buddhists vegetarians??
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The vast majority, although as with most things in Buddhism, there is no compulsion. You just need to consider the karmic consequences.

About the only exception I know of on the cultural scale is some areas around the Himalayas where meat is eaten out of practicality; there simply is no suitable vegetarian alternative available.
 
Muslim Thinker said:
How does that matter?? Killing is killing....it's gonna die and be eaten. If u worry about the pain shouldnt u be giving up the killing to begin with??
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We have a God given right to eat meat. We also have a God-given duty to kill them in the way he told us to kill them and to treat them well and casue them as little suffering as possible.

Just because they are gonna die anyway, doesnt mean we can make it painful. Otherwise we could say the same thing about any human too. "Hey you there, I'm going to oppress you and be evil to you, how cares if you suffer because you are going to die one day anyway". I dont think so.:rollseyes

p.s. I know a buddist who eats meat. Shes not very 'practising', I think she said that herself.
 
Trumble said:
I'm not sure why. Speaking for myself (only), my vegetarianism is a purely personal decision; I'd recommend it but not preach about it. An awful lot of people eat meat, and an awful lot drink, smoke and take drugs but there's not an awful lot I can do about it.

With that in mind, I don't understand what is so ironic about vegetarians being concerned with ways of rearing and killing the animals to be eaten. Obviously we would like to see both done as humanely as possible - something that is hardly unique to vegetarians. Many meat eaters don't the like idea of factory farming either, and don't eat meat that has been reared in those conditions. As to slaughtering, I have an open mind on which method is the most humane... I think both methods have evidence in their favour. If further research did in fact reveal that ritual slaughter did cause more suffering, I think it should be banned... or on the other hand if it was 'kinder' its use should be made universal. Again, though, if you don't kill them at all, you don't have to worry about the best way of doing it.
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You're absolutely right. I was just in a weird mood and the so-called logic I was using was something along the lines of the guy in the article saying 'Hey, I'm a vegetarian, I think meat is murder, but if you're going to murder at least do it humanely!' Ironic was the wrong word.

And animals should not suffer, you're right.

BTW, is there anything in the Qur'an that states muslims have to eat meat?
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Nope. Muslims are just supposed to stay away from things which are forbidden.
 
Trumble said:
I can't really comment on the main point. There is no need to eat animals anyway, so I think the debate on the best way to kill them for that purpose is pointless. Stop eating them, no problem.. not to mention how much more sense it makes in health and economic terms.
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I wonder whether a human biology capacity would allowed it to being vegetarian in North Pole,sea voyages,dry desert etc,be able to warming and generate energy from their body by eating only a palnts...seriously they need to eat frequantly than usually they do.

Regarding with the original issue i don't have any coments for this moment.
 
Muslim Thinker said:
How does that matter?? Killing is killing....it's gonna die and be eaten. If u worry about the pain shouldnt u be giving up the killing to begin with??
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Maybe the spuds you eat are screaming for mercy too? Read below.

BAD NEWS FOR VEGETARIANS:PLANTS FEEL PAIN

It has come to our attention at THE UNCOVEROR that something startling has been discovered by Dr. Bill Williams, a botanist at The Helvetica Institute. If his preliminary findings turn out to be true, they will prove that killing plants for food is no less cruel than killing animals for food. "Plants are aware," says Dr. Williams, "and they feel pain!"

Dr. Williams, and his team were doing experiments on talking to plants. He had set out to prove that this helped them only because it blows carbon dioxide over their leaves. He had one team speak lovingly to the plants, and another threaten and verbally abuse them. To the surprise of all involved, the plants that were lovingly spoken to thrived, producing large, lovely flowers. Their growth rates were off the charts! The plants that were verbally abused and threatened never bloomed. Some even withered and died.

His team then connected EEG electrodes to several plants, and measured their responses to various stimuli. "They definitely felt it when we pricked them with needles. One of my staff even burned one with a lighter. Not only did its EEG go off the charts, but so did every plant in the same room!" Dr. Williams is submitting his findings to other scientists for further review. He told me that plants not only seem to be aware and to feel pain, it looks like they can even communicate. They may even be sentient beings.

He told me, "I hadn't thought of it until now, but how does a fruit tree know how to make a sweet attractive fruit that animals will eat when it drops off, and spread the seeds? How do flowers know how to attract bees with sweet, fragrant nectar, and get their pollen spread about, assuring a next generation? They may be doing this consciously!" Maybe Disney will make a cartoon about a happy little vegetable. He will be called Buddy the Carrot. He'll lose his mother to the farmer when he picks her, and eats her. That could do to vegetables what Bambi did to meat! Carrots may in fact be more intelligent than deer. Who knows for sure? You read it here first at THE UNCOVEROR.


Originally Posted by snakelegs
i have learned (here) that islam does consider causing animals to suffer a sin.
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The prophet also forbade killing one animal in front of another to prevent distress to the one watching.
 
Is the Uncoverer a sister publication of TheOnion.Com? Man that site's hilarious.
 
Hmmm well I've always thought it was unfair to eat meat. I mean, at least animals have a chance to get away. Vegetarians are truly sadistic and not sporting at all. ;D
 
Muslimah_Sis said:
Maybe the spuds you eat are screaming for mercy too? Read below.

BAD NEWS FOR VEGETARIANS:PLANTS FEEL PAIN

It has come to our attention at THE UNCOVEROR that something startling has been discovered by Dr. Bill Williams, a botanist at The Helvetica Institute. If his preliminary findings turn out to be true, they will prove that killing plants for food is no less cruel than killing animals for food. "Plants are aware," says Dr. Williams, "and they feel pain!"

Dr. Williams, and his team were doing experiments on talking to plants. He had set out to prove that this helped them only because it blows carbon dioxide over their leaves. He had one team speak lovingly to the plants, and another threaten and verbally abuse them. To the surprise of all involved, the plants that were lovingly spoken to thrived, producing large, lovely flowers. Their growth rates were off the charts! The plants that were verbally abused and threatened never bloomed. Some even withered and died.

His team then connected EEG electrodes to several plants, and measured their responses to various stimuli. "They definitely felt it when we pricked them with needles. One of my staff even burned one with a lighter. Not only did its EEG go off the charts, but so did every plant in the same room!" Dr. Williams is submitting his findings to other scientists for further review. He told me that plants not only seem to be aware and to feel pain, it looks like they can even communicate. They may even be sentient beings.

He told me, "I hadn't thought of it until now, but how does a fruit tree know how to make a sweet attractive fruit that animals will eat when it drops off, and spread the seeds? How do flowers know how to attract bees with sweet, fragrant nectar, and get their pollen spread about, assuring a next generation? They may be doing this consciously!" Maybe Disney will make a cartoon about a happy little vegetable. He will be called Buddy the Carrot. He'll lose his mother to the farmer when he picks her, and eats her. That could do to vegetables what Bambi did to meat! Carrots may in fact be more intelligent than deer. Who knows for sure? You read it here first at THE UNCOVEROR.
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lol i was gunna bring up something similar to this :)
 
The wielder of the knife, whilst taking the name of the Almighty', makes an incision through the jugular veins, leaving all other veins and organs intact.
This causes the death of the animal by a total loss of blood from the body, rather than an injury to any vital organ.
If the organs, for example the heart, the liver, or the brain were crippled or damaged, the animal could die immediately and its blood would congeal in its veins and would eventually permeate the flesh. This implies that the animal flesh would be permeated and contaminated with uric acid and therefore very poisonous; only today did our dieticians realize such a thing
 
I have long believed that dietary laws of various religoins have some rational foundation, often long forgotten after being turned into cultural taboos and spiritualized into religious commandments (at which point the rational reasons are lost and the tradition will likely carry on even after the initial reason is obsoleted). I suspect that eating pork was dangerous for one reason or another back in the day as well.
 

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