Prostitution rife in US-occupied Iraq

[Who Am I?]

Can we please not divert from the topic? Jazak Allah khayran

wa'alaykum as-salaam wa rahmatullahi wa baraktuhu

My beloved brother, you're a Muslim now so why are you ashamed? What do you, as a Muslim, have to do with being an American? Why are you associating yourself with these kuffaar and oppressors? Just because you happen to be born in America, it doesn't mean you are somehow associated with American nation state or such. Once you entered Islam, you left all that jahliya behind. When you entered Islam, now the dividing line isn't America vs Middle East etc anymore rather dividing line is Kuffaar vs Muslims. Now, as a Muslim, you should be proud of yourself and angry about the state of the Muslims and make dua'a for them and make dua's against their oppressors. You need to stop thinking like a nationalist and start thinking like a Muslim. A Muslim has no nation state and his allegiance, loyalty, respect, honour, shame, etc. lies with Islam & Muslims. May Allah help you learn these important aspects of tawheed & aqeedah and keep you steadfast, ameen.

I do pray for all of my brothers and sisters every time that I pray. I ask Allah to make us all better servants and better people.

 

[Pygoscelis]

That Malcolm X vid is thought provoking (though a bit conflicting for an atheist such as myself). It is a beautiful message and exactly the sort of thing we all need to heed.

Regarding the prostitution being rife in Iraq, if the US withdrew all forces tomorrow do you think it would continue? I think it may, because the power structure of Sadam is gone and the vacuum is and will be moreso filled with warlords and anarchy and that brings crime and prostitution with it. Mind you, I get my understanding second hand, from friends and clients who have come over from Iraq so my view may be distorted.

 

[MSalman]

Regarding the prostitution being rife in Iraq, if the US withdrew all forces tomorrow do you think it would continue?

Whether it continues to grow, stays the same or comes down is irrelevant as far I'm concerned. It's rather relevant to discuss the crimes of western invaders, in specific the leader (U.S). Forcing people to take this route out of desperation (poverty etc.) or due to corruption in the land is not "liberating" and giving them "rights" and it's one of the worse crimes. Most of the times, aftereffects of war are more devastating for the people than the loss of wealth, lives, and infrastructure. But then again many of the westerns consider pornography & prostitution to be perfectly moral and it is legalized. So it's no surprise that all these Islamophobes, and saviours of human "rights" do not speak about this issue. Why don't we hear them chant their favourite words "immoral", "pedophilia" etc.? Just look at this very forum - how many times have non-Muslims brought up this issue but they will be quick to comment on Islamists?

Another question, in general, food for thought: will these U.S army officers will be charged for having intimate relationships with "under age" girls?

I think it may, because the power structure of Sadam is gone and the vacuum is and will be moreso filled with warlords and anarchy and that brings crime and prostitution with it.

Western thugs invaded Iraq to control it and I'm certain they will make sure that all these warlords, leaders etc., are filtered and under their control. So you maybe right in your conclusion. But I pray that God fail their plans and righteous people gain power to put an end to this oppression.

 

[Abz2000]

if the US withdrew all forces tomorrow do you think it would continue? I think it may, because the power structure of Sadam is gone and the vacuum is and will be moreso filled with warlords and anarchy and that brings crime and prostitution with it.

Regardless of how the people decide to govern themselves afterwards - as long as there is no CIA hand,
it isn't the us governments job to dictate for them since it's an illegal war and therefore a criminal occupation,
I'm sure it wouldn't be considered ok for a rapist, murderer and thief who went into burgle someone's house wit a bunch of mercenaries to remain in there just because "there may be revenge attacks" from the burgled people,
Or because "there may be instability" after the burglars left.
I'm sure any sane person would find such a notion ridiculous.

 

[Who Am I?]

Say what you want about Saddam, but at least he was a stabilizing force for Iraq, much as the Taliban was in Afghanistan.

 

[Abz2000]

Say what you want about Saddam, but at least he was a stabilizing force for Iraq, much as the Taliban was in Afghanistan.

and gaddafi in libya (despite his biggest fault in joining their war on fake "terror" after they illegally attacked iraq and began accusing libya of possesing wmd) - until they installed some more of their mercenary "alQeada" assets who have been wreaking false flag havoc in iraq and afghanistan

and they pretend to want peace and "stability"?

204. There is the type of man whose speech about this world's life May dazzle thee, and he calls Allah to witness about what is in his heart; yet is he the most contentious of enemies.
205. When he turns his back, His aim everywhere is to spread mischief through the earth and destroy crops and cattle. But Allah loveth not mischief.
206. When it is said to him, "Fear Allah., He is led by arrogance to (more) crime. Enough for him is Hell;-An evil bed indeed (To lie on)!
207. And there is the type of man who gives his life to earn the pleasure of Allah. And Allah is full of kindness to (His) devotees.
208. O ye who believe! Enter into Islam whole-heartedly; and follow not the footsteps of the evil one; for he is to you an avowed enemy.
209. If ye backslide after the clear (Signs) have come to you, then know that Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.
(Quran 2:204-209)

 

[Pygoscelis]

Most of the times, aftereffects of war are more devastating for the people than the loss of wealth, lives, and infrastructure.

This truth is so often overlooked. The devestation of world war 2 in Japan is STILL present and that was a very long time ago. There are still serious problems everywhere else the US military industrial complex has waged war as well. I was hoping that under Obama this tune may change but it really hasn't. The powers that be in the US, and in the west in general seem resilient even in the face of democracy trying to counter them.

But then again many of the westerns consider pornography & prostitution to be perfectly moral and it is legalized.

Well, this is getting off topic as the issue here ins't prostitution and pornography itself, but the forcing of people into it, pimping, etc. If a woman wants to be a prostitute I have little problem with it, and I support it being legal for her to do. Her body, her choice. If somebody forces her into it then I oppose it and hope whoever is doing so gets arrested. By making prostitutino itself legal (as it is here in Canada) it can actually be easier to find and charge such pimps.

So it's no surprise that all these Islamophobes, and saviours of human "rights" do not speak about this issue.

Are you equoting islamophobia with westerners fighting for human rights? Do you realize these two groups more often than not oppose each other?

Why don't we hear them chant their favourite words "immoral", "pedophilia" etc.?

I assume you mean the islamophobes? They are too filled with hate of the other. Islam is actually just their current outlet. It used to be Communists. It is often atheists.

Just look at this very forum -
how many times have non-Muslims brought up this issue but they will be quick to comment on Islamists?

This is a room about Islam. People are going to talk about Islam and Islamists here. Actually, that rarely happens come to think of it. Most of the non-muslims here are not islamophobes. If you'd like to see me speaking out about pedophilia particularly, you'd have to go to the other boards I speak on which have forums dedicated to such issues.

Another question, in general, food for thought: will these U.S army officers will be charged for having intimate relationships with "under age" girls?

They should be! But I doubt they will be. The US gives WAAAY too much of a free pass to military people. I get so sick of the whole "we support the troops" mantra and how it is used so frequently to forbid any criticism of hte military or its officers.

Western thugs invaded Iraq to control it and I'm certain they will make sure that all these warlords, leaders etc., are filtered and under their control. So you maybe right in your conclusion. But I pray that God fail their plans and righteous people gain power to put an end to this oppression.

I think borders and nations are immaterial. It is the strong exploiting the weak. It happens on a global scale as the US abuses its power. It also will happen on a local scale once the US departs as warlords abuse their power.

Have a great weekend everybody.

 

[Pygoscelis]

Say what you want about Saddam, but at least he was a stabilizing force for Iraq, much as the Taliban was in Afghanistan.

.... as was Hitler, who also brought Germany out of financial ruin and made the trains run on time.

 

[GuestFellow]

.... as was Hitler, who also brought Germany out of financial ruin and made the trains run on time.

Who received financial support from the US.

http://www.reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street

^ It's a good read...

 

[Who Am I?]

Hitler was at first actively enouraged and supported by both the USA and UK because a unified, rearmed, and reindustrialized Germany was seen as a buffer against the Soviet Union. Communism was the real enemy until it became necessary to unite with the Communists against the Nazis.

 

[GuestFellow]

Hitler was at first actively enouraged and supported by both the USA and UK because a unified, rearmed, and reindustrialized Germany was seen as a buffer against the Soviet Union. Communism was the real enemy until it became necessary to unite with the Communists against the Nazis.

:wa:

Ah yes, we've had this discussion before. http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/bolshevik_revolution/index.html

WALL STREET AND THE BOLSHEVIK REVOLUTION

^ A good read...

I'm not going to go into detail but US has been financing both sides. This has also happened during the Iran and Iraq war.

 

[aadil77]

May all these oppressive kuffar rot in Hell, this is all our fault, we failed to put up a resistance to protect our sisters and the brothers who do put up a resistance get condemned by our cowardly palace scholars - they get told that they're causing fitna and are fighting an illegitimate jihad.

 

[Abz2000]

the communist system is another phase in the testing of systems before they attempt to usher in their order of the new ages:

"For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions.
Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States,
characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists'
and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure--one world, if you will.
If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.

The United Nations Headquarters complex was constructed in New York City in 1949 and 1950 beside the East River,
on 17 acres (69,000 m[SUP]2[/SUP]) of land.
Nelson Rockefeller arranged this purchase,
after an initial offer to locate it on the Rockefeller family estate of Kykuit was rejected as being too isolated from Manhattan.
The $8.5 million purchase was then funded by his father, John D. Rockefeller, Jr. who donated it to the City.
The lead architect for the building was the real estate firm of Wallace Harrison, the personal architectural adviser for the family.

"One is impressed immediately by the sense of national harmony.... Whatever the price of the Chinese Revolution it has obviously succeeded (60 million innocent people murdered and some have their parts sold to the highest bidder on the market, and forced abortions) ... in fostering high morale and community purpose. General social and economic progress is no less impressive....The enormous social advances of China have benefited greatly form the singleness of ideology and purpose....
The social experiment in China under Chairman Mao's leadership is one of the most important and successful in history."
David Rockefeller - New York Times, 8-10-1973.

anyway - back to topic:

 

[Who Am I?]

:wa:

Ah yes, we've had this discussion before. http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/bolshevik_revolution/index.html

WALL STREET AND THE BOLSHEVIK REVOLUTION

^ A good read...

I'm not going to go into detail but US has been financing both sides. This has also happened during the Iran and Iraq war.

Yes, I remember that discussion, except that time we were on opposite sides. ;D

 

[Karl]

Well the Iraqis did turn to the kafirs for help. The Americans worship Kratos in their heart of hearts. "Might makes it right" the American slogan. They wanted the American way they got it.

 

[Futuwwa]

You couldn't find any other source than PressTV? That's a state-run Iranian media outlet. I wouldn't trust them to do fair and unbiased reporting on a topic like this one.

A brothel exclusively serving US military personnel, shuttling girls between the brothel and an airport base? I'm not buying that. Sex between Iraqis and personnel of the US military is strictly forbidden by the code of conduct of the occupation. Running that kind of operation, and constantly shuttling girls like that, is something that it would be hard to keep secret, requiring a great deal of people to be either involved in it or at least know about it, leading to a high risk of getting caught. And why run a regular operation? Why not just let the customers come to the brothel, or to other places? That would work just as well, and be a lot more discrete.

 

[Futuwwa]

.... as was Hitler, who also brought Germany out of financial ruin and made the trains run on time.

Actually that was Mussolini ;D

 

[Abz2000]

Originally Posted by Pygoscelis
.... as was Hitler, who also brought Germany out of financial ruin and made the trains run on time...........

Actually that was Mussolini

Prince Philip (the Queen's husband) has broken a 60-year public silence about his family's links with the Nazis.​

​

In a frank interview, he said they found Hitler's attempts to restore Germany's power and prestige 'attractive' and admitted they had 'inhibitions about the Jews'....
...Explaining the attraction of the Nazis, 84-year-old Prince Philip told an American academic:
"There was a great improvement in things like trains running on time and building.

Sex between Iraqis and personnel of the US military is strictly forbidden by the code of conduct of the occupation. Running that kind of operation, and constantly shuttling girls like that, is something that it would be hard to keep secret, requiring a great deal of people to be either involved in it or at least know about it, leading to a high risk of getting caught.

it's not as "regulated" as you would like to pretend:

and yes - they have been caught covering it up:

You couldn't find any other source than PressTV? That's a state-run Iranian media outlet. I wouldn't trust them to do fair and unbiased reporting on a topic like this one.

you just trust cnn and bbc and you'll be jus' fine - voa's another one you'd probably love.

 

[GuestFellow]

^ I really hope that guy is lying.

You couldn't find any other source than PressTV? That's a state-run Iranian media outlet. I wouldn't trust them to do fair and unbiased reporting on a topic like this one.

A brothel exclusively serving US military personnel, shuttling girls between the brothel and an airport base? I'm not buying that. Sex between Iraqis and personnel of the US military is strictly forbidden by the code of conduct of the occupation. Running that kind of operation, and constantly shuttling girls like that, is something that it would be hard to keep secret, requiring a great deal of people to be either involved in it or at least know about it, leading to a high risk of getting caught. And why run a regular operation? Why not just let the customers come to the brothel, or to other places? That would work just as well, and be a lot more discrete.

I'm aware PressTV is biased to some extent but there must be an element of truth involved.

In her article, published by Inter Press Service (IPS) news agency on August 27, Rebecca Murray noted how prostitution and sex trafficking have become “epidemic in Iraq” during the post-invasion military occupation of the country by US-led forces

This story has also been published by IPS which I think is trustworthy source of information.

 

[Futuwwa]

abz, who's that? Is he one of the guys who murdered that family in Haditha? One of the people caught for misconduct in Abu Ghraib? And how does he, whoever he is, prove any point that has anything to do with the claims of the OP?