It seems you too are suffering increasing comprehension difficulties. I'm not 'insinuating' anything, I just stated what Thales happened to believe in response to Tango 92. Of course, the Qu'ran does nothing of the sort with regard to precision without the usual ludicrous 'interpretation' - you are again deluding yourself. In one place it's clay, another water. Not assorted stuff that might be found in clay, or all water. Wrong and wrong... just more creation myths, not 'science'. As a claimed logician, you will of course appreciate that as the Qur'an is only speaking about living things in the relevant passages, any comparison with Thales is mute.
It's interesting that you keep changing your stance.
(is it your buddhist teaching to keep changing stance to avoid truth? or is it a way to cease "desire"?)
On top of that, you wrote that in reponse to MY post, not to Tango92, or is lying another way to cease desire (anything to win an argument? even if your position is false?):
If you are suffering from temporary amnesia, here's I am copying and pasting from your post #234 in a response to my post #233:
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I would also be very interested to know if the athiests and buddhists would atribute this knowledge to the greeks.
Oddly enough, the 7th century BCE Greek philosopher Thales, often considered the 'father' of science in the sense that he discarded supernatural and mythological explanations in favour of looking for natural ones, believed that every thing (obviously including all living things) ultimately came from water.
As for other allegation about verses who mentioned living things made from clay, I challenged you to bring forth a Qur'an verse that states that ALL Living things came from water.
ANd if you can't produce evidence of your allegations, that means you lied AGAIN, no surprise here.
Or are you just parroting anti-Islamic sites without actually checking if it's true and learn if it's real?
Or is Buddism that insecure that you have to resort to lies to blaspheme the truth?
Also, by bringing up Thales with his (proven incorrect) philosophy, do you not think that it only gives unassailable proof that the Qur'an did not take from the Greeks
Nonsense! If it's so simple to understand in those terms, how come no muslim ever did until a decade or so ago!! As a muslim, you tell me how every muslim for fourteen hundred years or so interpreted it.. before somebody happened to pick up a copy of Scientific American in a dentist's reception room while still under the influence of anasthetic. Why were muslim scholars not bombarding the early astronomers and cosmologists with letters explaining that the Qur'an provided 'so simple' an explanation of the origin of the universe?
One of the miracles of the Qur'an is that it contains truth that will be revealed over time.
The msulim scientists already had the knowledge about the sun at the centre os solar system, about earth being spherical, and even understood that the circumference of the earth is not constant, all while europe still believed that earth was the centre of the universe.
There is no reference at all to a singularity in the verse. According to that theory there was no earth and sky 'connected' to then be cloven asunder. According to that theory the universe was not 'split apart'. Earth, in the sense of the planet, wouldn't even exist for another seven billion years or so. In the sense of earth as the 'stuff of the ground' there were no elements heavier than lithium until the first stars had formed, and died. The verse has nothing to do with the Big Bang, and I genuinely don't understand why you are so (forgive me) so desperate to think it does.
The qur'an is not an astronomy handbook. The qur'an is Guidance to ALL mankind.
Most mankind (even in this 21st century) do not know what heliums, lithiums, big bang are.
The Qur'an was revealed to a community in arab in the 7th century far from the centres of civilizations back then. truth about our physical universe is not the only thing contained in the Qur'an.
How do you explain that such a book contains so many truths about our natures that are still being verified until 21st century, written in such inimitable language, maintain its integrity and error-free, very precise, while its verses were revealed over 22 years in different situations and yet maintained its flowing styles while containing many miracles including numericals, ALL revealed to an illiterate man?
I write again the verse:
Do the Unbelievers not see that the heavens and the earth were joined together, before We clove them asunder? We made every living thing from water. Will they not then believe?
it's ok that you don't believe if the verse tells about singularity, but it DOES say that in the beginning there was no earth and everything in the universe (heavens and earth) was one unit. And this one unit was then split apart to create what theuniverse as it is.
If you disagree with my interpretation of the verse, I am very interested to know yours (you do speak arabic, don't you?)
My interpretation, though, is of a simple creation myth. Earth and heavens are not some sort of pseudonyms for advanced cosmological and astronomical concepts, they refer to those words as the ancients understood them, the ground we walk on and the sky above our heads. Simple. Straightforward. And let's be honest, far more plausible than pseudo-scientific fairy stories.