Psychotherapy

What do you think of psychotherapy?


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What's your opinion on psychotherapy? I'm not talking about psychiatry, which may involve psychiatric medications. I'm talking about psychotherapy, where there are no medications involved.

It's really boring... no, seriously, it's really boring.

Psychotherapists have the laziest jobs in the world. They drink too much coffee and ask you to "talk"...

Back in the day, (don't ask me how old I am please :D) they ask me to talk, So I'd talk... sometimes I'd aska question and I wouldn't get an immediate repsonse. So I would say "I asked you a question" and the look on their faces would let me know that they were in lala land.

They need to stop drinking all that freaking coffee.

Pyschotherapy is a con.

It never solved my violent tendency to knock out idiots in the street. I learnt how to do that all on my own. I became a hermit :D
 
Tell me this. How can Quran remove "depression" of a man who knows his mother is a prostitute? Have you ever met such patients? I have. It makes you cry.
 
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Cognitive Behavioural Therapy, Solution Therapy or Counselling as a whole, is just a means, and frankly that is all it is. Everything is in the hands of Allah swt, if He wishes for you to get better, then He can do so through Counselling or Therapy,

This reminds me of a story my theology teacher told us back in Catholic school.

There was a big valley with a little village, and in that little village was a church. The Priest of that church was known far and wide as the most devout and pious man anyone had ever known. One night, there was a terrible rain storm. It was the hardest rain anyone had ever seen before. The little old priest sat in his rectory and prayed for the Lord to protect the people of the valley from the storm. Soon, though, He heard a siren and it came closer and closer. Then there came a knock on the door. It was the local fire department telling all the people in the village to evacuate because the dam had started to crack, and the valley would soon flood.

"Oh my!" said the priest. "Is everyone evacuated yet?"

The fireman replied "All the villagers are on the truck and we're leaving now. You're the last stop we made"

"Oh, don't worry about me" said the priest. "The Lord will look after me"

The fireman knew he wouldn't be able to change the priest's mind so he drove away with the villagers.

Soon the water began to rise. The priest climbed up to his roof. A boat came up to him with rescuers. "Jump in!" they said. "We can get you to safety!"

"No" replied the little priest. "The Lord will protect me"

So off went the boat. After more rain fell, and the waters continued to rise, the priest found himself standing on the top of the chimney, with the waters splashing over his feet. A helicopter came and lowered a rope ladder. "NO THANK YOU!" shouted the priest over the roar of the engine. "THE LORD WILL LOOK AFTER ME!". So away the helicopter flew. Well, the water finally swept the house and chimney out from under the poor little priest. He drowned.

When he arrived in heaven, he asked the Lord "Why did you not save me from the flood?" And the Lord replied "What are you talking about? I sent a fire truck, a boat, and a helicopter!
 
^in Islam there is a similar teaching - 'Trust in Allah but tie your camel'
 
Tell me this. How can Quran remove "depression" of a man who knows his mother is a prostitute? Have you ever met such patients? I have. It makes you cry.

I have met a lot of clients with worse problems. Nobody is denying the fact that the Quran is not a guideline for Therapists, but as I said before it is a means. A means which is very much needed in society today. It works for some, but not for others. But to put all your hope in Counselling and Therapy and to deny the fact that they will help only through the permission of Allah swt is foolish. I am currently training to be a Psychotherapist and currently work as a CBT, when I see Muslim clients I always tell them to always, always put their trust in Allah swt, because coming to see me or any other person will not help them one bit if Allah swt has not allowed it.

Side note; A lot of basic Therapeutic approaches can be found through the teachings of the Prophet PBUH. It's funny how they have had to wait hundreds of years later to see the fruits of such teachings.
 
I have met a lot of clients with worse problems.

What is more worse than knowing that one's mother sleeps with other men and that one is a product of one such shift?

I dont believe you that there are worse problems. Physical problems seem worse but they are not as bad as pyschological traumas.
 
I dont believe you that there are worse problems. Physical problems seem worse but they are not as bad as pyschological traumas.

Believe me I have dealt with worse, and I know Psychological traumas are worse in some situations, even if there is physical problems, nobody is denying this.
 
Tell me this. How can Quran remove "depression" of a man who knows his mother is a prostitute? Have you ever met such patients? I have. It makes you cry.

:sl:

I never had to deal with these people but I have heard stories. I'm not sure how these people can actually be helped. Like I wonder how the medical community help a child whose was born because his father raped his mother...wait I don't think I worded this correctly. Oh it's night, I'll give myself a break.
 
Tell me this. How can Quran remove "depression" of a man who knows his mother is a prostitute? Have you ever met such patients? I have. It makes you cry.
Q is how does a therapist remove it? You're fixating on names of things when the end result is one- when your body is in pain it doesn't care to classify said pain as a TIA or a migraine the sensation is the same albeit the gradation is different... How does the Quran help?.. well honestly all I can tell you is, you need a few days in seclusion along with some sincerity and you'll find that answer!

Al-An'am (The Cattle) [6:41] [RECITE]
Bal iyyahu tadAAoona fayakshifu ma tadAAoona ilayhi in shaa watansawna ma tushrikoona
6:41 "Nay,- On Him would ye call, and if it be His will, He would remove (the distress) which occasioned your call upon Him, and ye would forget (the false gods) which ye join with Him!"

Y
ou can talk to some 'paid friend' for $450 an hour and he'll even prescribe you a couple of pills, or you can talk to God.. the physiological effect on the brain you get from kneeling are the same you get from pills.. guess what the brain lights up on the scan- as that is as far as they can tell the med is working!

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Tell me this. How can Quran remove "depression" of a man who knows his mother is a prostitute? Have you ever met such patients? I have. It makes you cry.

who said the Quran always deals in "removing" problems?

No, it helps humans understand the nature of this world and how its problems arise and allows us to find ways to deal with it.

I have no doubt this man you speak of can find his solution, peace and tranquility in islam but he has to search that out.

since when do beautiful meaningful and deep relationships come so quick and easy. If he wants to overcome such a hurdle, let him strive. We all do.
 
How about writing your thoughts on a piece of paper...or type it. If it works for you great. If not, try something else.
 
that works too.. in essence aren't we all getting group therapy here? from somewhat similar minded people ... we want to know that we don't exist alone in this world and what we have to say and feel matters.
 
its funny you say that sis, because everytime I talk to my sisters I feel like I lighten such a huge load.

I guess some people just dont have that outlet hence therapy.
 
That works for most people.. I get really angry when I wanna be left alone and everyone asks me what's wrong.. just makes it that much more miserable.. but I guess that's just me!
 
loool i just said to my sis

"you know when we talk to each other, its a bit like therapy isnt it?"

and she said,

"not really, sometimes you all drive me crazy"



loool



i can get snappy when I want solitude and just aint getting it to be honest
 
However Psychotherapy, Cognitive Behavioural Therapy, Solution Therapy or Counselling as a whole, is just a means, and frankly that is all it is. Everything is in the hands of Allah swt, if He wishes for you to get better, then He can do so through Counselling or Therapy, if He doesn't then you can go through the best Therapy in the world it will not help you.

MashaAllah, this is true.

Tell me this. How can Quran remove "depression" of a man who knows his mother is a prostitute? Have you ever met such patients? I have. It makes you cry.

Akhee, the Quraan is the WORD of Allah. The actual message from our Creator to us, His Creation.
Do not doubt for a second, that our Most Merciful Rabb would leave us without a solid guide in this dunya.

The answers are there, for the one who searches ernestly - in the Quraan and the teachings of the one who was so beloved to Allah......Yet, went through so much more hardships and trials than anyone one of us - our prophet (sallalahu alaihi wasalam).
He is our guide!

Why did he not break down in depression when the people of Taif rejected his message and pelted his mubarak body away from their city?
Why did he not lose hope in Allah in the Battle of Badr when defeat looked almost certain?

Why didnt the prophet (sallalahu alaihi wasalam) or the companions succumb to the trials of this life (yet they were tested more than we can imagine)?

Is it not because of that level of Tawakkul (Trust in Allah) - that so many of us are deficient in nowadays?

We have to understand, that we cannot escape the decisions of Allah Ta’ala with regard to any matter in our lives. Whatever Allah Ta’ala has decided will happen, no matter how much we may wish otherwise.

Our anxieties, depression and worries are often created because we first make the decisions, and then expect Allah Ta’ala to conform; whereas what we plan and decide is subject to Allah Ta’ala’s confirmation.

Rasulullah (salallahu alaihi wasalam) has said :

“Strive to acquire what is beneficial for you; seek the aid of Allah; do not lose courage and if a setback overtakes you, do not say : ‘If I had done this then it would have happened like this (i.e. not what had happened).’

Instead say : ‘Allah has ordained this. Whatever He has willed, has happened.’(Muslim)



"I was (once) behind Nabi (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) when he said to me:

'O son! I shall inform you of a few things.
Remember Allah Ta'ala and He will protect you.
Remember Allah Ta'ala and you will find Him close to you.
When you have to ask for something, ask of Allah Ta'ala.
When you require aid, seek His Aid.

Believe firmly that if all creation desires to benefit you in anything, they can never benefit you but that which Allah has decreed for you. If they all unite to harm you, they will not be able to harm you in anything, but that which Allah Ta'ala has decreed for you." (Tirmidhi)


If only we FIRMLY believed in this: that in every decision and action of Allah’s, there is both wisdom and good for His servant.

Then where will there be room for depression?

If you suffer ANY hardship in life - no doubt you will feel sad (this is part of being human)......but why will we succumb to depression, when we KNOW that this is the decree of Allah.......that HIS plan is the best plan for us.
If we can be PLEASED with WHATEVER Allah has decided for us - there would be no mention of depression in our lives.

Hadhrat Sa'd narrates that Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) said:

"The good fortune of a person is that he remains pleased with what Allah has ordained for him. The misfortune of a person is that he refrains from asking Allah for goodness and that he is displeased with what Allah has ordained for him." (Ahmad, Tirmidhi)



For the majority of cases, depression, etc stems from the above reasons.
For the minority, where there is a medical cause - insha Allah, seek aid in this as well.

The role of a muslim counsellor is indeed necessary - in directing the sufferer towards adopting tawakkul.
Sometimes, it may be necessary for someone else to help guide us towards this realisation.

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شَادِنُ;1547443 said:
That works for most people.. I get really angry when I wanna be left alone and everyone asks me what's wrong.. just makes it that much more miserable.. but I guess that's just me!

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I'm like that as well.
 

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