I've tried the other way. I didn't start with spanking. I just recently starting the booty-whoopin'. I hate it. I tell them that I hate it. But if I don't, I'll be stepped on. When I beat them, they think twice before repeating what they did. But kids forget. My baby niece is definitely a little less violent. She screams, but she thinks twice before hitting the other kids. The beating works, but they just find new bone-headed things to do. There's 4 of them, man! They feed off of eachother's bad behavior. I was an only child... no one to really get me into trouble. If my dad yelled at me I would shatter into a million pieces. You yell at these kids they laugh! :rant: