Question about Salah and Madhab

[imam bukhari]

Asalaamalikum,

I have some issues regarding salah and madhab. I was hoping my brothers and sisters could help me and enlighten me to make things clear inshallah. I am aware there is a hadith in the Sahih of Imam al-Bukhari in which the Prophet (pbuh) says pray as I have prayed, something similar along those lines.

I was brought up praying salah according to the hanafi method. Now I have come across many people praying salah differently and I wanted to know why are people praying differently when the prophet(pbuh) said pray as he did? Did he have more than one way of praying?

I am aware of the four schools of thought and that they were great Imams. These four great imams have differences in regards to how they pray Salah and I’m sure they all have good evidences to support their way. I keep hearing that all four imams are correct, but is this really true? And if so how is it possible for all four imams to be correct?

Should a person stick to his particular madhab or for example can he pray as a hanbali or a shafi? If I thought a different madhab has more or stronger evidence for the way they pray salah should I adopt it?

Sorry if I have made any mistake please do correct me. I am here to learn inshallah.

watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/user/sulafi1407#p/u/129/HnF6EIUDuFY

its a video of dr. zakir naik

ill get u more vids soon insha0-Allaah

 

[imam bukhari]

Asalaamalikum,

I have some issues regarding salah and madhab. I was hoping my brothers and sisters could help me and enlighten me to make things clear inshallah. I am aware there is a hadith in the Sahih of Imam al-Bukhari in which the Prophet (pbuh) says pray as I have prayed, something similar along those lines.

I was brought up praying salah according to the hanafi method. Now I have come across many people praying salah differently and I wanted to know why are people praying differently when the prophet(pbuh) said pray as he did? Did he have more than one way of praying?

I am aware of the four schools of thought and that they were great Imams. These four great imams have differences in regards to how they pray Salah and I’m sure they all have good evidences to support their way. I keep hearing that all four imams are correct, but is this really true? And if so how is it possible for all four imams to be correct?

Should a person stick to his particular madhab or for example can he pray as a hanbali or a shafi? If I thought a different madhab has more or stronger evidence for the way they pray salah should I adopt it?

Sorry if I have made any mistake please do correct me. I am here to learn inshallah.

this is aso a good one by dr. bilal philips:

http://www.youtube.com/user/sulafi1407#p/u/106/ynDriK1yCks

 

[Banu_Hashim]

As-Salaamu Alaikum my dear brother,

You will find present in society, scholars with a great amount of wealth of knowledge and these same scholars will have different opinions. Some will be in favour of following a madhhab, and some will not.

I would advise that you ask around and find that which you find beneficial for you. All the madhhabs will have their evidences for their methodology of praying and you should look at these evidences if you are dubious as to their authenticity and don't think you are the only one doing this. Countless people will have done the same.

In my opinions all madhhabs are correct and on the day of Judgement Allah will judge us for following his Qur'an and the sunnah, and with the best of intentions we will all be amongst those who are successful, inshaAllah... Ameen.

All the best bro,

Fe Amaanillah.

 

[imam bukhari]

3 - Did the Imams (rahimahumullah) and those who followed their fiqh and usul invent the way of praying salah from blue and have been wrong for centuries?

no, and nobody is saying that. please think before you speak. maybe getting a drink of water or doing wudhu (unless your madhab doesnt agree with that!) to calm yourself down

having being wrong for centuries? hmmm, this statement reminds me of what the mushriks of makkah used to say...

4 - Who are you to tell us which opinion of the scholars contradict the sunnah? What are your qualifications?

im a nobody, but the scholars are a somebody. i read what the RESEARCHING scholars, who are not blind in their love for a particular madhab, have to say and just pass that on ulhumdulillaah.

5 - I can guarantee you that your way of praying salah is exactly as one of the math-hab (most likely shafi or hanabli) but you just don't know due to your lack of knowledge and associating yourself with a certain group of people.

afcourse my way of praying matches with one of the madhabs, but what importance is that? you see, you ppl love madhabd so much that you have taken rasool Allaah out of theis question! AllaahuAkbar!

also ur statement, shows how much lack of knowledge you have about us, as u r saying this bcz it seems u think that we reject ALL madhabs! Na'uthubillaah! we only reject that which contradicts the sunnah, please dont feel ofended.

y is is when we say 'the correct way is to pray with ur hand son ur chest, u jump up and down geting furious, yet SCHOLARS such as IMAM BUKHARI, IMAM AHMAD, IBN TAYMIYA, ABU DAWUD, IMAM MUSLIM have all stated likewise? maybe its just because u have unjuyst hatred for us?

I love u for the ake of Allaah bro. please calm down

 

[Rasema2]

In my opinions all madhhabs are correct and on the day of Judgement Allah will judge us for following his Qur'an and the sunnah, and with the best of intentions we will all be amongst those who are successful, inshaAllah... Ameen.

Ameen. I'd like to quote this again:"Verily the slave prays a prayer of which nothing is written down for him except a tenth, ninth, eighth, seventh, sixth, fifth, quarter, third or half of it.5 Therefore, I reminded the brothers that it is not possible for us to perform prayer as it should be performed, or even approach that, unless we know the detailed description of the Prophet's prayer (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam), including its essentials, manners, forms, supplications (du'aas) and remembrances (adhkaar), and then we make an effort to put that knowledge into practice carefully, for then we could hope that our prayers would restrain us from shameful and unjust deeds, and that the reward and blessings mentioned in the narrations would be written down for us.
"

We need khushoo` now.

 

[Banu_Hashim]

Additionally, here is a video that may clear up any questions you have:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0BllzzA9nU

(I think I've pasted this i a previous thread, if so forgive me.)

 

[KittenLover]

I have a question for people who believe in strictly sticking to 1 madhab,

how can something be haraam in 1 madhab and not haraam in another????

surely both can't be right can they???

are we following two different religions where something is haraam for you and it isn't haraam for me???

did Allah say I will make something haraam for the people who follow this madhab and I won't make it haraam for the people who follow this madhab??

so that being said isn't it our duty to ask the scholars of hadith which is the correct opinion out of the 4 madhabs cos we might actually be doing something haraam.

Another thing how can there be a difference in something as big as Asr prayer time???

did Allah say there's two prayer times for Asr???

one for the hanafi's and one for the shafi's????

did the sahabba have two different prayer times for ASR???

one that followed abu hanifa and 1 that follow imam shafi???

 

[Hamza Asadullah]

so that being said isn't it our duty to ask the scholars of hadith which is the correct opinion out of the 4 madhabs cos we might actually be doing something haraam.

Asalaamu Alaikum Wr Wb, all of the stances of the four imaam are correct and this is from the consensus of all ulema of 1400 years.

The madhabs don't differ in the fundamentals of Islam but only in Fiqh.

This article should explain it to you properly in more detai so that you can be clear as to why us lay people should follow a madhab:

[link removed]

 

[Banu_Hashim]

I have a question for people who believe in strictly sticking to 1 madhab,

how can something be haraam in 1 madhab and not haraam in another????

surely both can't be right can they???

are we following two different religions where something is haraam for you and it isn't haraam for me???

did Allah say I will make something haraam for the people who follow this madhab and I won't make it haraam for the people who follow this madhab??

Salam,

No madhab will say we are correct and another is incorrect. It is only a methodology of the sunnah. Nothing as extreme as the differentiation between halaal and haraam.

 

[KittenLover]

isn't it obligatory upon you to ask the scholars of hadith which opinion is correct out the madhabs???

because you could be praying at the wrong time, maybe abu hanifah made a mistake maybe imam shafi made a mistake

shouldn't you be finding out from a scholar of hadith which of their two opinions is the most strongest and follow it??

 

[Rasema2]

Sis,

All madhabs are correct because the imams haditjihad. Itjida is a serious thing, but they didn't have all the hadeeths. And one madhab is closer to the sunna than the other, but that doesn't make the salah incorrect. I guess all madhabs preform the fards of the salat. But our methology is also very serious about Salah.

:wa:

 

[Hamza Asadullah]

isn't it obligatory upon you to ask the scholars of hadith which opinion is correct out the madhabs???

because you could be praying at the wrong time, maybe abu hanifah made a mistake maybe imam shafi made a mistake

shouldn't you be finding out from a scholar of hadith which of their two opinions is the most strongest and follow it??

I updated my last post to you can you please read the article in the link i have provided. The only way you are going to know the answer is to aquire knowledge on the matter.

 

[KittenLover]

Salam,

No madhab will say we are correct and another is incorrect. It is only a methodology of the sunnah. Nothing as extreme as the differentiation between halaal and haraam.

I heard in 1 madhab it's haraam to eat all the animals from the ocean and in another madhab it's not haraam to eat animals from the ocean.

in 1 madhab if a women touches you your wudu breaks

in another madhab if a women touches you, your wudu isn't broken

so which is correct?? both can't be correct can they?? either ur wudu is broken when a women touches you or it isn't broken.

either all food from the ocean is haraam or it isn't haraam which is correct opinion out of the madhabs??

they both can't be correct can they??

there's 1 prayer time for Asr in hanafi madhab

and there's another prayer time for Asr in Shafi madhab

which 1 is correct?? both can't be correct can they??? did the prophet pbuh have two different times for Asr??

obviously 1 opinion is correct and the other isn't shouldn't you be finding out which is closer to the sunnah from a scholar of hadith??

I'm not saying us lay people should pick and choose from the madhabs what we want to follow and what suits our desires lol

I'm saying we should ask a scholar of hadith who's studied the 4 madhabs all his life and knows the various evidences from each madhab and knows which madhab contains the stronger opinion by looking at the hadiths from all of them.

obviously it's not for us laymen to decide which opinion is strongest because we have no clue about hadith or chains of narrations.

to the thread OP I ask you to watch this video as it specifically covers why we have differences in madhabs and what should our approach be.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6t3ubAAz1k

 

[Hamza Asadullah]

I'm not saying us lay people should pick and choose from the madhabs what we want to follow and what suits our desires lol

I'm saying we should ask a scholar of hadith who's studied the 4 madhabs all his life and knows the various evidences from each madhab and knows which madhab contains the stronger opinion by looking at the hadiths from all of them.

obviously it's not for us laymen to decide which opinion is strongest because we have no clue about hadith or chains of narrations.

Sister if your not willing to read the article then how will you truly understand why we as lay people must follow one madhab? Knowledge eradicates misconception and without it we will continue to have misconceptions.

Read the article and then things will be more clearer to you.

 

[Hamza Asadullah]

Asalaamalikum,

I have some issues regarding salah and madhab. I was hoping my brothers and sisters could help me and enlighten me to make things clear inshallah. I am aware there is a hadith in the Sahih of Imam al-Bukhari in which the Prophet (pbuh) says pray as I have prayed, something similar along those lines.

I was brought up praying salah according to the hanafi method. Now I have come across many people praying salah differently and I wanted to know why are people praying differently when the prophet(pbuh) said pray as he did? Did he have more than one way of praying?

I am aware of the four schools of thought and that they were great Imams. These four great imams have differences in regards to how they pray Salah and I’m sure they all have good evidences to support their way. I keep hearing that all four imams are correct, but is this really true? And if so how is it possible for all four imams to be correct?

Should a person stick to his particular madhab or for example can he pray as a hanbali or a shafi? If I thought a different madhab has more or stronger evidence for the way they pray salah should I adopt it?

Sorry if I have made any mistake please do correct me. I am here to learn inshallah.

Asalaamu Alaikum Wr Wb, watch these short clips and they will answer all of your questions inshallah:

Following a Madhab in Islam - Part 1 of 6- Brilliant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z94ty00F7dQ

Following a Madhab in Islam - Part 2 of 6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWAYO4kl3Uc

Following a Madhab in Islam - Part 3 of 6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0Byob0Wsls

Following a Madhab in Islam - Part 4 of 6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQMCecmTq2s

Following a Madhab in Islam - Part 5 of 6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jymYGXZIT6c

Following a Madhab in Islam - Part 6 of 6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szkB5B7yLM0

 

[Banu_Hashim]

I heard in 1 madhab it's haraam to eat all the animals from the ocean and in another madhab it's not haraam to eat animals from the ocean.

in 1 madhab if a women touches you your wudu breaks

in another madhab if a women touches you, your wudu isn't broken

so which is correct?? both can't be correct can they?? either ur wudu is broken when a women touches you or it isn't broken.

either all food from the ocean is haraam or it isn't haraam which is correct opinion out of the madhabs??

they both can't be correct can they??

there's 1 prayer time for Asr in hanafi madhab

and there's another prayer time for Asr in Shafi madhab

which 1 is correct?? both can't be correct can they??? did the prophet pbuh have two different times for Asr??

obviously 1 opinion is correct and the other isn't shouldn't you be finding out which is closer to the sunnah from a scholar of hadith??

These are different interpretations of the Qur'an and Sunnah.

 

[Rasema2]

I have a different question. I don't think this is about following a madhab. What about the 100's of things which weren't discussed by madhabi scholars?

As long as you are following Athaari aqeedah, it doesn't matter if you follow a madhab or not.Just my opinion.

The reason I don't follow a madhab is because I can't choose. Hanafi's(ra) madhab is viewed as the most correct, but His salah is a weak view, in some cases, so rather than me picking and choosing from madhabs, I better refear to the scholars which leads me to following a different group of scholars, expecially my respected(love his wording in books) Muhammad Abdul Wahabb.

 

[MSalman]

First, let me make it clear that I am not a hardcore math-habi like some of the other members on this board. However, I also have problem with those who say one cannot follow a math-hab because that is also against understanding of the scholars.

Rasema and imam bukhari, may Allah preserve you both, which scholars of yours told you that you can force the fatawas that you take from them on others? I need to know how can laymen like yourselves, who suppose to ask a scholar aka taqleed, and force this on other laypeople.

Could you please also tell us which scholars you take from? How your taking from a scholar is different from some hanafi taking from only hanafi scholars? How can you say that you are following a "safer/stronger" opinion when all you are doing is asking a scholar just like a math-habi? How do you know which opinion is "safer/stronger"? Could you please tell us whether you have studied the positions and opinions of every math-hab regarding how to pray salah and which one of their opinions contradict the sunnah and how exactly?

Just in case you didn't know, laymen like ourselves need to shutup and not speak about religious matters for which we have no knowledge and neither enforce our mufti's fatawas on other laypeople. All we have to do is ask the scholars, follow it and shutup. If we want to answer someone then we refer to those who have knowledge and do islah in a proper and gentle manners. Both of you are not doing either of it.

It is not exacly the same as ONE of the madhabs.

sister, may Allah preserve you, how do you know that? Could you please tell us your way of praying salah?

....in every Madhhab there are sayings and actions which cannot be authentically traced back to the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam)

you are going off tangle here. No one disagrees with this; however, the mathhaab have evolved over the years as scholars within each math-hab went outside of their math-hab to take the stronger opinion. Hence, many of these earlier positions have been corrected within each math-hab. The point is that we, as laypeople, cannot enforce our mufti's fatawas on others or say "fullan opinion is more correct and fullan is against the sunnah" because many times the other position could be valid or our scholars doesn't recognize the other position as valid (maybe his own ijtihad) or something like that but due to lack of our knowledge we may not know.

the issue of takhreej books and everything else is pretty irrelevant because the science of hadith (takhreej, tahqeeq) existed during the time of Salaf but not all of them documented it.

Because we follow a methology? or because we follow different scholars than you? Well, excuse me, you are doing what you're asking us to stop, hypocritical.

because both of you are saying which is alien to scholars in the past and present. It comes from only handful people who have created a new hizb in the name of salafiyyah. Sorry to hit the red button. Just in case you didn't know, this neo-salafi hizb has been rebuked by some of the great salafi scholars including Shaykh al-Albani, Ibn Baz, Ibn Uthaymeen, Muhammad ibn Ibraheem, ibn Jibreen, Muqbil (may Allah have mercy on all of them) and other scholars, who are still alive, Salih al-Fawzaan etc.

How is following a fiqh is same associating myself with a hizb? Jazak Allah khayr for calling me a hypocrite. May Allah protect us all from evils of tongue, ameen

We do not dig into the text to derive a ruling! Our scholars do. We follow our scholars.

The math-habi are doing the same thing: they are also following the scholars but for some reason that is wrong. If you follow the scholars then simply follow the scholars and do not go around saying "fullan opinion is stronger or fullan saying of a math-hab contrdict the shari'ah". Just in case if you didn't know, the scholars you follow are also following a math-hab 98% of the times or opinions which are already found in all 4 mathaahab.

That is a ridiculous statment, but why do the madhabs contradict? Because they all didn't have all the hadeeths back then.

actually sister, you are displaying your lack of knowldge again. However, there is some truth to your statement. Let me make few quick points here:

1 - Just because they contradict each other doesn't mean they didn't have any sort of proof and their ijtihad to back themselves and this was my point which you totally missed

2 - Just because they contradict doesn't mean there cannot be any valid ikhtilaf. About 70% of the times, there is no ikhtilaf among the scholars and out of other 30% many times there is valid ikhtilaf. But for some reason, people who are against following a math-hab, cannot realize this fact. Many times it is because of laymen, like yourself, who force their scholars fatawas on other laypeople without realizing that there can be valid ikhtilaf.

3 - It is true that truth is not limited to all 4 mathaahab and the imaams didn't have all of the ahadith or they made their ijtihad on weak narrations. It is also true that one way or the other most of the opinions come from the 4 mathaahab. However, mathaahab are not limited to the sayings of imaams only, it is a great misconception among many people. Like I said earlier the mathaahab have evolved over the years. Hence, the point of not having all ahadith is really not as valid today as it could have been in early centuries.

The opinion that contradicts a sahih. I am not saying that the madhabs methology is wrong. We respect the four imams and we follow their teachings as well.

that is not my point. the point is how do you as a layman know which opinion contradict the sahih. If you are a layman then on what basis do you make such a claim and ask others to follow you? If you are uttering what your scholar said then others are doing the same! This is a fiqhi discussion so let's leave to scholars and simply ask them and follow it.

and Allah knows best

 

[Rasema2]

OKAY , I HAVE TO FLIP OUT BECAUSE YOU KEEP REPEATING THE SAME THING!!!!

We follow a group of scholars, like the madhabis. We don't ask them "which hadeeth is authentic" they tell us everything. We don't even ask!!!

DO I HAVE TO QUESTION THIS???? DO YOU KNOW WHAT IS A METHOLOGY??
WE DON'T PICK STUFF. ALL OF OUR SCHOLARS AGREE ON ALL OF THEIR studied VIEWS, THEN GIVE THEM TO US:;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19Vk3SO8rXc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUzem...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQFpa...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P6Az...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muNGK...eature=related

that is not my point. the point is how do you as a layman know which opinion contradict the sahih

I don't have to repeat myself. I hope not. No one is telling you that your way of offering Salat will be invalidated, our scholars have determined that our hadeeths are stronger. Scholars do know anc can trace back the narrations, they know, I don't.

First, let me make it clear that I am not a hardcore math-habi like some of the other members on this board. However, I also have problem with those who say one cannot follow a math-hab because that is also against understanding of the scholars.

WHO SAID YOU CAN'T FOLOW A MADHAB? I KNOW HARD CORE "SUPER" SELEFIS THAT WILL TELL ME" YOU CAN FOLLOW A MADHAB".


If you follow a madhab, but not a Selefi manhaj(ageedah) you are an innnovator. That is all we have agains some fatwas.

 

[KittenLover]

when a person starts praticing and learning about the deen he should initially learn about Islamic history because and what actually happened to Muslims and the Islamic process of that will actually demystify the whole topic of madhabs for him.

very simply put about 100 years after the death of prophet pbuh the scholars they started to discuss many of the new things that were coming up so at that time there were basically 4 great scholars that came up, one of them was abu hanifah, imam malik abu hanifah was in Iraq, Imam Malik was in medinah another 1 was imam shafi he went to medina and later on settled in egypt and another 1 was imam ahmed who was in Iraq aswell.

so basically we have four scholars, what happened was they were not the only sholars of that time however they were exceptionally great , they were exceptionally knowledgable, they had large base of students that would come to get knowledge from them so their opinions became popular their way of approaching Islamic legal theory became popular and as a result people became polarised with their opinion.

that doesnt mean that the only way is through these four that also doesn't mean we should leave the 4 and go to anyone else. it just means that these scholars have their thoughts and ways of approaching Islam and the Qur'an and sunnah became the most popular way, that doesn't mean that because there was 4 they wern't similar, they were similar in many things, they first went to the Qur'an, they then went to the sunnah which is the narrations of prophet pbuh, they then went to ijma concensus of the ummah the concensus of the scholars of the ummah, and then they went to something called analogy and then they went into other principles in which they differed.

So the first 4 were very similar so they have alot of similaritys but because their situations were different, one of them was in Iraq the other 1 was in Medina,

Medina was the heart of Islam at that time so narrations were easily availalbe to him, on the other hand iraq was a place that was not the heart of Islam infact it was the heart of the Persian empire at that time, and once Persia was actually conquered alot of enemies of Islam wanted to go into Islam and destroy it so as a result they tried to fabricate alot of narrations (hadith) and as a result the scholars became so strict in accepting narrations that they actually didn't even accept many narrations so the number of narrations that they had to base their ruling on from the prophet was actually much less than the ones in Medina so you see that's why people had different opinions because they were improvising based on the situation they had, they were trying to find out rulings based on whatever evidence was actually available to them at that time so as a result as you can imagine people differed in their finaly ruling.

that's why you have for example four different ways of doing the same thing, but that doesn't mean the truth is multiple, it means there is only 1 truth still, it has to be either right or wrong, and doesn't mean just because there's 4 opinions all four are right, it just means as far as your concerned since you might not be at the level to decide which opinion is the correct 1 to follow, you could follow either 1 of them but the point is that doesn't mean the 1 you follow is defintely true,

because to find the truth will require further research for you to study, to find out what is closer to the evidence, and the evidence is basically what Allah gave to us and what the prophet came with his sunnah.

and that is a level of research and study but untill then you can follow any 1 of them but that doesn't mean it's a permnant excuse, rather as many of the scholars have mentioned taqleed or blind following is like the bathroom, you only use it when you need it, and is there any 1 who wants to live in the bathroom forever? I don't think so,

so don't be of those who just stay in the bathroom forever rather gain knowledge from the cradle to the grave and keep on improving.

Ultimately when god asks you on the day of judgement he's not gonna ask you which madhab were you on, they're gonna ask u 1 question "how have you answered the prophet"

so are we gonna say the message came and we listened to Imam hanifa, Imam Malik, are we gonna say "imam hanifa said that" "imam malik said that"

ultimately that's our goal to be able to decipher which is closer to the sunnah, yes we realise we're not on that level yet but that doesn't mean we shouldn't aspire to achieve it.

so what I'm saying is the initial methodologies of the first four was the same but of course the circumstances differed, the specific evidences that were available in every topic differed as a result it gave rise to alot of differences.

taken from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6t3ubAAz1k

watch the full vid if u can