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IzakHalevas said:
Could elaborate further, since jewish people are required to say twice the "shema" which declares G-d being one, and being the only G-d, and all powerful and to only worship him. The Torah also calls idolatry an abomination, and says to die before converting to it, which many Jews did when Christians said conver or die. They chose death.
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Shirk is a broad category. Here's one example. The Prophet said about Jews and Christians: they took the graves of their prophets as places of worship." (Sahîh al-Bukhârî).

There are many jewish sources that confirm this, such as the book Jewish Holy Sites and Tombs in Eretz Israel:
This handsome volume contains the wonderful story of the Jewish holy sites throughout Eretz Israel, sketching the lives of important figures throughout the ages: our Biblical ancestors, the prophets, kings, Talmudic tannaim and amoraim, and scholars from scholars from later centuries. [...] Basic to the custom of pilgrimage to these locations is the belief that prayer at holy sites has special meaning. The faithful hold that righteous buried at these sites will act as advocates before g-d, enabling our prayers for health, succes in marriage, and comfortable livelihood to be heard sympathetically. The graves of our ancestors are a source of rich, historical meaning for us, their descendants, connecting us to the Land and to our roots. Only a nation that knows and remembers its past can have a future. (Menachem Michelson, Moshe Milner and Yehuda Salomon, Jewish Holy Sites and Tombs in Eretz Israel)
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http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/History/E...eological Sites in Israel - Jerusalem- Burial
http://www.asergeev.com/pictures/archives/compress/2002/323/31.htm

I don't know if this is mainstream judaism or not, but this is what Muslims would call shirk al-uluhiyyah. However Muslims and Jews stand united against shirk ar-rububiyyah.

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Shirk is a broad category. Here's one example. The Prophet said about Jews and Christians: they took the graves of their prophets as places of worship." (Sahîh al-Bukhârî).


There are many jewish sources that confirm this, such as the book Jewish Holy Sites and Tombs in Eretz Israel:
This handsome volume contains the wonderful story of the Jewish holy sites throughout Eretz Israel, sketching the lives of important figures throughout the ages: our Biblical ancestors, the prophets, kings, Talmudic tannaim and amoraim, and scholars from scholars from later centuries. [...] Basic to the custom of pilgrimage to these locations is the belief that prayer at holy sites has special meaning. The faithful hold that righteous buried at these sites will act as advocates before g-d, enabling our prayers for health, succes in marriage, and comfortable livelihood to be heard sympathetically. The graves of our ancestors are a source of rich, historical meaning for us, their descendants, connecting us to the Land and to our roots. Only a nation that knows and remembers its past can have a future. (Menachem Michelson, Moshe Milner and Yehuda Salomon, Jewish Holy Sites and Tombs in Eretz Israel)​
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/History/Ea...alem-%20Burial
http://www.asergeev.com/pictures/arc...002/323/31.htm
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Jews will pray at the site of a tomb, but not because it will "count" more, but because it will be more meaningful to the people praying. When prayer occurs at a site of a tomb of a sage, or rebbe, ect, some Jews believe that the sage, a master of the art of prayer will help the Jew pray to G-d in some way. Prayer at a tombstone, is to G-d, the same way prayer in your living room is to G-d. It is a matter of which area, or setting has more meaning to the person praying. Which is why a grave site is acceptable place to pray to G-d.

I don't know if this is mainstream judaism or not, but this is what Muslims would call shirk al-uluhiyyah. However Muslims and Jews stand united against shirk ar-rububiyyah.
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I have seen Muslims pray on sidewalks beforem are you saying that in a cemetary is not a place where you can pray to G-d? G-d hears your prayer regardless of where you are according to Judaism, it is a matter of is a cemetary a place where prayer will have more meaning to you. A place where a wise teacher was that I knew is a place I may pray sometimes. I never pray to him. Only to G-d. But I remember the things he told me about prayer, and about Torah when I am in the cemetary. Prayer becomes much more emotional when it occurs at certain places for me, instead of a daily routine it might have if I am in my room.
 
IzakHalevas said:
Jews will pray at the site of a tomb, but not because it will "count" more, but because it will be more meaningful to the people praying. When prayer occurs at a site of a tomb of a sage, or rebbe, ect, some Jews believe that the sage, a master of the art of prayer will help the Jew pray to G-d in some way. Prayer at a tombstone, is to G-d, the same way prayer in your living room is to G-d. It is a matter of which area, or setting has more meaning to the person praying. Which is why a grave site is acceptable place to pray to G-d.



I have seen Muslims pray on sidewalks beforem are you saying that in a cemetary is not a place where you can pray to G-d? G-d hears your prayer regardless of where you are according to Judaism, it is a matter of is a cemetary a place where prayer will have more meaning to you. A place where a wise teacher was that I knew is a place I may pray sometimes. I never pray to him. Only to G-d. But I remember the things he told me about prayer, and about Torah when I am in the cemetary. Prayer becomes much more emotional when it occurs at certain places for me, instead of a daily routine it might have if I am in my room.
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If, you feel that way, fine just know that Islam sees it the way that Islam sees it and Judaism sees it the way Judaism sees it
 

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