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Did the prophets sin ?
This has been discussed a number of times. However, since it is such a frequently asked question, it seems like a good idea to let it be asked again. However, I will soon merge this with other threads asking the same question.
If you want to ask questions, or even debate - then atleast do so with knowledge. Most of them claims can easily be refuted, it's easy to take things out of context, and that's exactly what you did.
So for the time being, i think the thread will be closed.
And you can refer to this link for the answer to your question:
http://www.islamicboard.com/701347-post4.html
Thread Closed.
Okay, you know what - i'll undelete it and respond to it insha Allaah.
Did The Prophets Sin ?
The Prophet Adam was commanded byAllahu Subhaanahu Wa '' Ta ' Ala to uphold a single commandment ; not to eat of the tree of good and evil ( Genesis 2 ; 17 ) ; however , this one commandment was violated .
The Qur'an 20 ; 21 ( in part ) ( In Arabic ) reavealed in Mecca , 612 - 613 A.D. verse 130 - 131 Medinan )
..... Thus did Adam disobey his lord , And allowed himself to be seduced .
The Qur'an 2 ; 35 -36 ( in part ) ( In Arabic ) reavealed in Medina , 624 - 626 A.D. -verse 286 reavealed in Mecca 632 A.D. .
... But approach not this tree , Or ye run into hard and transgression . ( 35 ) Then did satan make them slip from the ( garden ) < The Holy Qur'an , Abdullah Yusuf 'Ali McGregor & Wemer . 1946 A.D.
So is the prophet Adam going to hell because the Qur'an say this about the who disobey .
The Qur'an 72 ; 23 ( in part ) ( In Arabic ) reavealed in Mecca 619 A.D.
..... For any that disobey God and his apostle , - For them is hell ; They shall dwell therein forever
< The Holy Qur'an , Abdullah Yusuf 'Ali McGregor & Wemer . 1946 A.D.
The following verse shows that the prophet Adam sinned and then repented ;
The Qur'an 20 ; 122 ( In Arabic ) reavealed in Mecca 612 - 613 A.D.
''But his lord chose him ( for his grace ) . He turned to him and gave him guidance < The Holy Qur'an , Abdullah Yusuf 'Ali McGregor & Wemer . 1946 A.D. >
The apostel Noah , having erred , asked the Sustainer forgiveness for his sin .
The Qur'an 71 ; 26 , 28 , ( in part ) ( In Arabic ) reavealed in Mecca 615 A.D.
And Noah said ; O my lord ! leave not of the unbeliever , A single one on earth ! ( 28 ) . O my lord ! Forgive me , My parents , All who enter my house in faith , And ( all ) believing men and believing women ... < The Holy Qur'an , Abdullah Yusuf 'Ali McGregor & Wemer . 1946 A.D. >
The prophet Abraham committed one of the gratest of sins , binding partners with Allahu Subhaanahu Wa '' Ta ' Ala . The prophet Abraham called the stars , the moon , and the sun his lord .
The Qur'an 6 ; 76 - 79 , ( In Arabic ) reavealed in Mecca 621 A.D.
When the night covered him over , He saw a star ; He said ; This is my lord , But when it set , He said ; I love not those that set . ( 77 ) When he saw the moon rising in splendor , He said ; This is my lord , But when the moon set , He said ; Unless my lord guide me , I shall surely be among those who go astray . ( 78 ) When he saw the sun rising in splendour , He said ; This is my lord ; This is the greatest ( of all ) . But when the sun set , He said , O my people ! I am indeed free from your ( guilt ) of giving partners to God . ( 79 ) For me , I have set my face , Firmly and truly , Towards him who created the heavens and the earth , And never shall I give partners to God < The Holy Qur'an , Abdullah Yusuf 'Ali McGregor & Wemer . 1946 A.D. >
The peophet Abraham , like the apostle Noah , asked forgiveness fot their sins .
The Qur'an 14 ; 41 , ( in part ) ( In Arabic ) reavealed in Mecca ,620 A.D.
O our lord ! cover ( us ) with thy forgiveness - Me , My parents and ( all ) believer ... < The Holy Qur'an , Abdullah Yusuf 'Ali McGregor & Wemer . 1946 A.D. >
The prophet Abraham doubted the power of the Sustainer and asked to be shown a sign of His greatness .
The Qur'an 2 ; 260 , ( in part ) ( In Arabic ) reavealed in Medina 624 -626 A.D.
Behold ! Abraham said ; My lord ! show we how thou givest life to the dead . He said ; Dost thou not then believe ? He said ; Yea ! But to satisfy my own understanding . < The Holy Qur'an , Abdullah Yusuf 'Ali McGregor & Wemer . 1946 A.D. >
The prophet Abraham broke the idols according to Qur'an chapter 21 , However , when asked about his actions , he lied and said otherwise .
The Qur'an 21 ; 62 -63 , ( in part ) ( In Arabic ) reavealed in Mecca 616 -617 A.D.
'They said , Art thou the one that did this with our Gods , O Abraham ? ( 63 ) He said ; Nay this was done by , This is their biggest one ! Ask them , If they can speak intelligently ! < The Holy Qur'an , Abdullah Yusuf 'Ali McGregor & Wemer . 1946 A.D. >
The prophet Moses committed murder when he was a young man .
The Qur'an 28 ; 15 , ( in part ) ( In Arabic ) reavealed in Mecca 622 A.D.
Now the man of his own religion appealed to him against his foe . And Moses struck him with his fist and made an end of him ...
The Qur'an 26 ; 20 , ( In Arabic )reavealed in Mecca 617 - 618 A.D.
'Moses said ; I did it then , When I was in error . < The Holy Qur'an , Abdullah Yusuf 'Ali McGregor & Wemer . 1946 A.D. >
The apostle Joseph is said to have sinned because he would have desired the wife of the head of the Pharaoh's army in Egypt . This is explained in the Qur'an ;
The Qur'an 12 ; 24 , ( In Arabic )reavealed in Mecca 620 .
And he would have desired her , But that he saw the evidence of his lord . < The Holy Qur'an , Abdullah Yusuf 'Ali McGregor & Wemer . 1946 A.D. >
The Qur'an 38 ; 24 , ( in part ) ( In Arabic ) reavealed in Mecca 616 A.D.
And David gathered that we had tried him ; He asked forgiveness of his lord . < The Holy Qur'an , Abdullah Yusuf 'Ali McGregor & Wemer . 1946 A.D. >
The Qur'an 38 ; 32 , 35 , ( in part ) ( In Arabic ) reavealed in Mecca 616 A.D.
And he said , Truly do I love the love of good , With a view to the glory of my lord .. ( 35 ) He said , O my lord forgive me , And grant me a kingdom . < The Holy Qur'an , Abdullah Yusuf 'Ali McGregor & Wemer . 1946 A.D. >
The prophet Joanah was chosen by Allahu Subhaanahu Wa '' Ta ' Ala .to help the people of Ninevah ( Jonah 1 ; 2 ) . He evaded his responsibilities and ran away ( Jonah 1 ; 3 ) only to be swallowed by a giant fish ( Jonah 1 ; 17 ) .
The Qur'an 37 ; 139 - 141 , ( In Arabic ) reavealed in Mecca 616 A.D.
'So also was Jonah among those sent ( by us ) ( 140 ) When he ran away ( like a slave from captivity ) to the ship ( fully ) landen ( 141 ) . He ( agreed to ) cast lots ) And he was condemned .< The Holy Qur'an , Abdullah Yusuf 'Ali McGregor & Wemer . 1946 A.D. >
The prophet Muhammad , as we have previously discussed had sinned and one time he concealed the truth of the Most High in his heart . Here are the quotes found in the Qur'aan .
The Qur'an 48 ; 2 , ( in part ) ( In Arabic ) reavealed in Medina 628 A.D.
That God may forgive thee thy faults of the past and those to follow . .< The Holy Qur'an , Abdullah Yusuf 'Ali McGregor & Wemer . 1946 A.D. >
The Qur'an 47 ; 19 , ( in part ) ( In Arabic ) reavealed in Medina 622 - 624
Know , Therefore , That there is no God but God , And ask forgiveness for thy fault ..< The Holy Qur'an , Abdullah Yusuf 'Ali McGregor & Wemer . 1946 A.D. >
The Qur'an 40 ; 56 , ( in part ) ( In Arabic ) reavealed in Mecca , 618 A.D.
Seek . Refuge , Then , In God ; It is he who hears and sees ( All things ) ..< The Holy Qur'an , Abdullah Yusuf 'Ali McGregor & Wemer . 1946 A.D. >
The Qur'an 4 ; 106 , ( In Arabic ) reavealed in Medina 625 - 627 A.D.
But seek the forgiveness of God ; For God is off-forgiveing , Most Merciful . ..< The Holy Qur'an , Abdullah Yusuf 'Ali McGregor & Wemer . 1946 A.D. >
The Qur'an 33 ; 37 ( in part ) ( In Arabic ) reavealed in Medina 628 - 629 A.D.
But thou didst hide in thy heart that which God was about to make manifest , Thou didst fear the people , But it is more fitting that thou shouldst fear God . ..< The Holy Qur'an , Abdullah Yusuf 'Ali McGregor & Wemer . 1946 A.D. >
First of all, i won't take the bible as a source of guidance since we as Muslims know there are many lies within there, even though there are certain truths in there also. However, the Qur'an is the Criterion. Therefore i won't be responding to the biblical references.
Also, we as muslims know that the Prophets can make minor sins, however they never commit major ones.
First of all, you yourself stated that Adam repented for his mistake. Second, did Allaah call it a sin?
But Satan whispered evil to him: he said, "O Adam! shall I lead thee to the Tree of Eternity and to a kingdom that never decays?"Can you find any verse at all when Allaah says they sinned? And still then, the Messenger of Allaah, Muhammad (peace be upon him) has explained to us:
In the result, they both ate of the tree, and so their nakedness appeared to them: they began to sew together, for their covering, leaves from the Garden: thus did Adam disobey his Lord, and fell into error.
But his Lord chose him (for His Grace): He turned to him, and gave him Guidance.
[Qur'an 20: 120-22]
"One who repents from sin is like one without sin."
Hasan/Good - Reported by Abu 'Ubaidah ibn 'Abdullaah & collected by Ibn Majah Authenticated by al-Albaanee
Is there any mention of Prophet Noah commiting a sin? Yet repenting to Allaah is an act of worship, one of the greatest forms of worship. And like i stated earlier, prophets can fall into minor sins. So he may have been repenting for them, and his example of repentance for himself is an example for all of humanity.
He was using rhetorical questions to make those who worshipped these deities think. He would be the last person to worship others along with Allaah, infact if your claim was true - then you wouldn't see Allaah Himself explaining to us all:
Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was true in Faith, and bowed his will to Allah's (Which is Islam), and he joined not gods with Allah.So here the statement that Prophet Ibraheem/Abraham commited that sin totally opposes what you stated. And the reason why he said what he said was to make the people realise that the deities they worship with Allaah aren't worthy of that worship - rather they should worship the One who created them.
Without doubt, among men, the nearest of kin to Abraham, are those who follow him, as are also this Prophet and those who believe: And Allah is the Protector of those who have faith.
[Qur'an 3: 67-8]
That's totally out of context, infact - that's a great lie since you ignored the rest of the verse.
When Abraham said: "Show me, Lord, how You will raise the dead, " He replied: "Have you no faith?" He said "Yes, but just to reassure my heart." Allah said, "Take four birds, draw them to you, and cut their bodies to pieces. Scatter them over the mountain-tops, then call them back. They will come swiftly to you. Know that Allah is Mighty, Wise."So please read the full verse next time. Since the verse itself states that he did believe, but he wanted to increase in faith. Which is something encouraged.
[Qur'an 2: 260]
Again, he used this tactic to make them come to the worship of Allaah Alone. They themselves knew the big idol couldn't harm the others, infact they couldn't even harm or benefit themselves, or their worshippers - so the people were dumbfounded. So it wasn't a lie, it was a rhetorical question in a way. And they knew the answer.
He said, "Rather, this - the largest of them - did it, so ask them, if they should [be able to] speak."
So they returned to [blaming] themselves and said [to each other], "Indeed, you are the wrongdoers."
Then they reversed themselves, [saying], "You have already known that these do not speak!"
He said, "Then do you worship instead of Allah that which does not benefit you at all or harm you?
Uff to you and to what you worship instead of Allah . Then will you not use reason?"
They said, "Burn him and support your gods - if you are to act."
Allah said, "O fire, be coolness and safety upon Abraham."
And they intended for him harm, but We made them the greatest losers.
And We delivered him and Lot to the land which We had blessed for the worlds.
The Commander of the Faithful, `Umar b. al-Khattâb, relates that he heard Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) say:That wasn't Prophet Moses's intention, he wanted to push that guy away because he was harming the other man. He pushed him (and because he was a strong man) - the other guy fell and died. So it wasn't Prophet Moses's intention. And Allaah knows best.
"Actions are but by intentions and every man will have only what he intended. So whoever emigrated for Allah and His Messenger, then his emigration was for Allah and His Messenger. And whoever emigrated to attain something of this world or to marry a woman, then his emigration was for whatever reason he emigrated." [Sahîh al-Bukhârî and Sahîh Muslim]
http://www.islamtoday.com/showme2.cfm?cat_id=31&sub_cat_id=552
On the authority of son of Abbas (may Allah be pleased with them both), from the Messenger of Allah (Peace be upon him), among the sayings he related from his Lord (glorified and exalted be He) is that He said:So even if someone was to have a bad intention, and they never went along with it - Allaah would reward them one good deed. So that wasn't a bad deed.
Allah has written down the good deeds and the bad ones. Then He explained it [by saying that] he who has intended a good deed and has not done it, Allah writes it down with Himself as a full good deed, but if he has intended it and has done it, Allah writes it down with Himself as from ten good deeds to seven hundred times, or many times over. But if he has intended a bad deed and has not done it, Allah writes it down with Himself as a full good deed, but if he has intended it and has done it, Allah writes it down as one bad deed.
It was related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.
so from the hadith above - we can say this:
intention of a good deed = 1 good deed recorded.
intention + act of doing good = 10 to 700 (or many times over) good deeds recorded.
intention to do bad, but doesn't do it = 1 good deed.
intention to do bad, and does it = 1 bad deed.
Yes, he fell into a mistake for not asking both parties points of views. How's that a sin? It's a mistake. And even then he repented and applied that rule from then onwards.
How's that sinful? It's permissible in Islaam to love the permissible. And even then, he repented for any mistakes he may have ever made. Just like any servant of Allaah should.
He left the place where he was located at with the intention of going to call others to Islaam. So he never had a bad intention when he left. And Allaah knows best.
However, he ended up in the belly of the fish and then repented to Allaah for his mistake and Allaah accepted that.
That's the reason for revelation, if a Prophet makes a mistake in the conveyance of the Message - Allaah reveals to the Prophet the mistake they made so they may correct it. And Allaah forgives them when they do that. So there's no contradiction at all, since these are our basic beliefs.
And the Praise is for Allaah, and He knows best.
First of all, i won't take the bible as a source of guidance since we as Muslims know there are many lies within there, even though there are certain truths in there also. However, the Qur'an is the Criterion. Therefore i won't be responding to the biblical references.
Also, we as muslims know that the Prophets can make minor sins, however they never commit major ones.
First of all, you yourself stated that Adam repented for his mistake. Second, did Allaah call it a sin?
But Satan whispered evil to him: he said, "O Adam! shall I lead thee to the Tree of Eternity and to a kingdom that never decays?"Can you find any verse at all when Allaah says they sinned? And still then, the Messenger of Allaah, Muhammad (peace be upon him) has explained to us:
In the result, they both ate of the tree, and so their nakedness appeared to them: they began to sew together, for their covering, leaves from the Garden: thus did Adam disobey his Lord, and fell into error.
But his Lord chose him (for His Grace): He turned to him, and gave him Guidance.
[Qur'an 20: 120-22]
"One who repents from sin is like one without sin."
Hasan/Good - Reported by Abu 'Ubaidah ibn 'Abdullaah & collected by Ibn Majah Authenticated by al-Albaanee
Is there any mention of Prophet Noah commiting a sin? Yet repenting to Allaah is an act of worship, one of the greatest forms of worship. And like i stated earlier, prophets can fall into minor sins. So he may have been repenting for them, and his example of repentance for himself is an example for all of humanity.
He was using rhetorical questions to make those who worshipped these deities think. He would be the last person to worship others along with Allaah, infact if your claim was true - then you wouldn't see Allaah Himself explaining to us all:
Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was true in Faith, and bowed his will to Allah's (Which is Islam), and he joined not gods with Allah.So here the statement that Prophet Ibraheem/Abraham commited that sin totally opposes what you stated. And the reason why he said what he said was to make the people realise that the deities they worship with Allaah aren't worthy of that worship - rather they should worship the One who created them.
Without doubt, among men, the nearest of kin to Abraham, are those who follow him, as are also this Prophet and those who believe: And Allah is the Protector of those who have faith.
[Qur'an 3: 67-8]
That's totally out of context, infact - that's a great lie since you ignored the rest of the verse.
When Abraham said: "Show me, Lord, how You will raise the dead, " He replied: "Have you no faith?" He said "Yes, but just to reassure my heart." Allah said, "Take four birds, draw them to you, and cut their bodies to pieces. Scatter them over the mountain-tops, then call them back. They will come swiftly to you. Know that Allah is Mighty, Wise."So please read the full verse next time. Since the verse itself states that he did believe, but he wanted to increase in faith. Which is something encouraged.
[Qur'an 2: 260]
Again, he used this tactic to make them come to the worship of Allaah Alone. They themselves knew the big idol couldn't harm the others, infact they couldn't even harm or benefit themselves, or their worshippers - so the people were dumbfounded. So it wasn't a lie, it was a rhetorical question in a way. And they knew the answer.
He said, "Rather, this - the largest of them - did it, so ask them, if they should [be able to] speak."
So they returned to [blaming] themselves and said [to each other], "Indeed, you are the wrongdoers."
Then they reversed themselves, [saying], "You have already known that these do not speak!"
He said, "Then do you worship instead of Allah that which does not benefit you at all or harm you?
Uff to you and to what you worship instead of Allah . Then will you not use reason?"
They said, "Burn him and support your gods - if you are to act."
Allah said, "O fire, be coolness and safety upon Abraham."
And they intended for him harm, but We made them the greatest losers.
And We delivered him and Lot to the land which We had blessed for the worlds.
The Commander of the Faithful, `Umar b. al-Khattâb, relates that he heard Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) say:That wasn't Prophet Moses's intention, he wanted to push that guy away because he was harming the other man. He pushed him (and because he was a strong man) - the other guy fell and died. So it wasn't Prophet Moses's intention. And Allaah knows best.
"Actions are but by intentions and every man will have only what he intended. So whoever emigrated for Allah and His Messenger, then his emigration was for Allah and His Messenger. And whoever emigrated to attain something of this world or to marry a woman, then his emigration was for whatever reason he emigrated." [Sahîh al-Bukhârî and Sahîh Muslim]
http://www.islamtoday.com/showme2.cfm?cat_id=31&sub_cat_id=552
On the authority of son of Abbas (may Allah be pleased with them both), from the Messenger of Allah (Peace be upon him), among the sayings he related from his Lord (glorified and exalted be He) is that He said:So even if someone was to have a bad intention, and they never went along with it - Allaah would reward them one good deed. So that wasn't a bad deed.
Allah has written down the good deeds and the bad ones. Then He explained it [by saying that] he who has intended a good deed and has not done it, Allah writes it down with Himself as a full good deed, but if he has intended it and has done it, Allah writes it down with Himself as from ten good deeds to seven hundred times, or many times over. But if he has intended a bad deed and has not done it, Allah writes it down with Himself as a full good deed, but if he has intended it and has done it, Allah writes it down as one bad deed.
It was related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.
so from the hadith above - we can say this:
intention of a good deed = 1 good deed recorded.
intention + act of doing good = 10 to 700 (or many times over) good deeds recorded.
intention to do bad, but doesn't do it = 1 good deed.
intention to do bad, and does it = 1 bad deed.
Yes, he fell into a mistake for not asking both parties points of views. How's that a sin? It's a mistake. And even then he repented and applied that rule from then onwards.
How's that sinful? It's permissible in Islaam to love the permissible. And even then, he repented for any mistakes he may have ever made. Just like any servant of Allaah should.
He left the place where he was located at with the intention of going to call others to Islaam. So he never had a bad intention when he left. And Allaah knows best.
However, he ended up in the belly of the fish and then repented to Allaah for his mistake and Allaah accepted that.
That's the reason for revelation, if a Prophet makes a mistake in the conveyance of the Message - Allaah reveals to the Prophet the mistake they made so they may correct it. And Allaah forgives them when they do that. So there's no contradiction at all, since these are our basic beliefs.
And the Praise is for Allaah, and He knows best.
Thankyou, and i've stated right at the beginning of the thread that Prophets can do minor mistakes, did i not say that? And didn't i say that Allaah never called it a sin? When it's Him who decides what a sin is or not?
Since you're portraying it as a sin - Then how come Allaah doesn't call it that in the Qur'an? Also, remember the hadith i stated:
The Messenger of Allaah, Muhammad (peace be upon him) has explained to us:
"One who repents from sin is like one without sin."
Hasan/Good - Reported by Abu 'Ubaidah ibn 'Abdullaah & collected by Ibn Majah Authenticated by al-Albaanee
If someone sins in Islaam, Allaah forgives them and the past is ignored. And they do not recieve any punishment in the hereafter. The same way if someone becomes Muslim - their past sins are forgiven. So they don't be accountable for the sins they have commited in the past.
Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from Unbelief), their past would be forgiven them; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them). [Qur'an 8:38]
So since you've quoted all them verses anyway, you've quoted the verses next to it which state that they repented - therefore the hadith proves that the one who repents is like one who is without sin.
Which is the answer to your questions.
And Allaah knows best.
Peace.
Sin A sin reather you repents or if Allah forgive's you .
O forgot to tell you something about hadith , I don't accept hadith'ssss that are not back up with the Qur'aan , hadith are words of Men not of Allah .
Thanks for your answer anyway
If you don't accept the ahadith, then that's not my problem. Allaah has mentioned many times in the Qur'an that we have to obey Allaah AND His Messenger, and there are many evidences from Qur'an which state we have to accept the Wisdom of His Prophet.
You can check that link out for more info on the authenticity of ahadith etc.
Allaah (Exalted is He) mentions the Hikmaah in several ayaat:Allaah has surely blessed the believers with His favor when He raised in their midst a Messenger from among themselves, who recites to them His verses and makes them pure and teaches them the Book and the Wisdom, while they were, earlier in open error. (Soorah Al-Baqaraa:164)
He (Allaah) is the One who raised up, among the unlettered, a Messenger from among themselves who recites the verses of Allaah, and makes them pure, and teaches them the Book and the Wisdom. (Soorah al-Joomooa:2)Here Hikmaah is followed straight after the mentioning of Kitaab (Book). According to the Quraniyyah, it should read as:
He (Allaah) is the One who raised up, among the unlettered, a Messenger from among themselves who recites the verses of Allaah, and makes them pure, and teaches them the Book (Qur'aan) and the Wisdom (Qur'aan) (Soorah al-Joomooa:2)This is grammatically incorrect since according to the Qur'aanic principle of mooghayaraa (differentiation), coupled words do not mean the same thing and indeed the Glorious Qur’aan is far above such mistakes.
Allaah (Exalted is He) says: Do they not then consider the Qur'aan carefully? Had it been from other than Allaah, they would surely have found therein much contradiction. (Soorah An Nisaa: 82)
You can check this link for more authentic info and proofs:
http://www.load-islam.com/artical_de...ection=Hadeeth
And Allaah knows best.
Peace.
Which one of Allah prophet's according to the Quraan wrote any ahadith's
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