Question On The Prophets

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Balthasar21 said:
According to hadith did all the prophets of the scriptures use '' Miswaak ''
( Tree Twig used for brusing and cleaning the teeth ) ?

According to the following '' Hadith '' , all of the Prophets of the Scriptures used Miswaak ;
'' Abu Ayyub narrates that Rasulullah said ; Four things are amongst the practices of the Anbiyya
( Prophets ) - circumcision , application of perfume , miswaak and marriage , ( Ahmad and Tirmizi ) .

The Hadith is one of many Hadith from a book entitled the '' Importance of Rasulullah's Miswaak in the Life of a Muslim '' , published by Majlisul Ulama of South Africa . If what this Hadith is saying is true , then how do they explain that all of the Prophets of Allah do not fit the categories mentioned in this Hadith , thus it is a FAKE ,


Marriage ; --- The Messiah Jesus never married .

If the people who published this book say this Hadith is true , then they are saying the Prophet Muhammad is a liar . Are these the types of Hadith you Muslims accept and continue to publish in 1989 A.D. ?
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Thankyou for your ignorance, wasn't it you who mentioned in a previous post on another thread that Jesus son of Mary (peace be upon him) would return to the earth?

There is a hadith in the collection of Tirmidhi which states that when he returns, he will get married.
 
Balthasar21 said:
Which one of Allah prophet's according to the Quraan wrote any ahadith's
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Did Allaah's Messenger, Muhammad (peace be upon him) write the Qur'an down himself? It was his companions who did, and they also writ ahadith too. Again - refer to the link i gave you earlier.
 
Balthasar21 said:
You're truely master of trick's , Have to give you a :thumbs_up , But Sin is Sin no matter how you flip it , Rather they repented or not they still Sin,
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No, if you have a intention of doing a bad deed, but repent from it is a good deed, i heard this from my brother also, and remember Allah is MOST merciful so he would write this down as a good deed for not doing a bad deed
Hope you understand.
Salaam
 
Balthasar21 said:
According to hadith did all the prophets of the scriptures use '' Miswaak ''
( Tree Twig used for brusing and cleaning the teeth ) ?

According to the following '' Hadith '' , all of the Prophets of the Scriptures used Miswaak ;
'' Abu Ayyub narrates that Rasulullah said ; Four things are amongst the practices of the Anbiyya
( Prophets ) - circumcision , application of perfume , miswaak and marriage , ( Ahmad and Tirmizi ) .

The Hadith is one of many Hadith from a book entitled the '' Importance of Rasulullah's Miswaak in the Life of a Muslim '' , published by Majlisul Ulama of South Africa . If what this Hadith is saying is true , then how do they explain that all of the Prophets of Allah do not fit the categories mentioned in this Hadith , thus it is a FAKE ,

Circumcision --- The Prophet Adam and the Apostle Noah were not circumcised . The Covenant of Circumcision ( Genesis 17 ; 10 ) came with the Prophet Abraham . He was the first man on earth to be circumcised by the Angelic Being Gabriel when he was 99 years old ( Genesis 17 ; 24 )


Marriage ; --- The Messiah Jesus never married .

If the people who published this book say this Hadith is true , then they are saying the Prophet Muhammad is a liar . Are these the types of Hadith you Muslims accept and continue to publish in 1989 A.D. ?
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I don't know what you are trying to prove here- but we already have a system for distinguishing fake hadiths from real hadiths. You are not better than hundreds of generations of scholars of hadith.

Are you a Muslim?
 
Fi_Sabilillah said:
Thankyou for your ignorance, wasn't it you who mentioned in a previous post on another thread that Jesus son of Mary (peace be upon him) would return to the earth?

There is a hadith in the collection of Tirmidhi which states that when he returns, he will get married.
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Hummmmmmmm name calling a sign of a true Muslim Yes .
Funny How you said in another thread Muslims shouldn't read the Bible , But in one of your thread you use Bible verse to prove your point . So what you meant was Muslims Should only read the Bible when using it against Christians Yes .

Now about the Hadith'ssss , They're Ten Of Thousand'sss Of Hadith'ss verse Written by men , Not Prophets's Of Allah They're more Haith'ssssss verses then they're Quraan versese Hummmmmmmmmm So What you want me to do is accept these Hadith'ss Writer Over the words of Allah Qur'aan , When the Qura'n Doesn't back them up Yes ?


Now you speak of Isa son of mary as Muslims call him , Coming back to earth and getting married Yes . I have no problem with Isa son of mary geting married NoneWhatSoEver. The Christians are the one whith the problem with Isa son of marring Mary Magdalene and having children , Simon Bar Jesus / daughter Iglaal another son name Zabair , another daughter name San'aa , Another son Huday .


Now I Overstand this is Islam / Muslims forum ok . But its seem it ok if you and a few others throw stone's add other and then try to hide your hand's . But yet yall speak of fairness ,

You speak of truth , What you really mean is the way You [ Fi_Sabilillah and a few like you SEE IT ] And anyone who doesn't SEE IT YOU WAY is speaking against Islam .

Like I told you before 90% of people of religion no nothing about their own belief's , And thats because they relie on other to tell them what to believe , And say thats because they're to lazy to do their Home work / research .

Here A Question For You Fi_Sabilillah Do you accept ALL Hadith'ssss YES or No , If the answer Yes can you tell me why , If your answer No can you explain Why not .
 
Malaikah said:
I don't know what you are trying to prove here- but we already have a system for distinguishing fake hadiths from real hadiths. You are not better than hundreds of generations of scholars of hadith.

Are you a Muslim?
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So you agree their are FAKE hadiths and REAL hadiths Hummmmm , Honest person Hummmmmmmmmm For Once .

Please Don't Try To label me ok . That trick it old .
 
adeel said:
No, if you have a intention of doing a bad deed, but repent from it is a good deed, i heard this from my brother also, and remember Allah is MOST merciful so he would write this down as a good deed for not doing a bad deed
Hope you understand.
Salaam
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Their something call '' Will '' meaning a person have the ' Will '' to do agreeable or the '' Will '' to do disagreeable things , rather they repent or not .

Having New Names For Things Doesn't Change Them , Hope You OverStand .
 
Balthasar21 said:
Hummmmmmmm name calling a sign of a true Muslim Yes .
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Ignorance isn't name calling, it means one who 'doesnt know.' Or a 'lack of knowledge.' :) Sorry if it offended you.

http://www.answers.com/ignorance&r=67


Funny How you said in another thread Muslims shouldn't read the Bible , But in one of your thread you use Bible verse to prove your point . So what you meant was Muslims Should only read the Bible when using it against Christians Yes .
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Yeah, it's also ironic since you're using the hadith and you don't believe in them right?

I'm using the bible to show that it contradicts itself, and we don't believe in all of it. The Qur'an is the Criterion to distinguish between good/bad, truth/falsehood etc.


Now about the Hadith'ssss , They're Ten Of Thousand'sss Of Hadith'ss verse Written by men , Not Prophets's Of Allah They're more Haith'ssssss verses then they're Quraan versese Hummmmmmmmmm So What you want me to do is accept these Hadith'ss Writer Over the words of Allah Qur'aan , When the Qura'n Doesn't back them up Yes ?
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I think you havn't read the Qur'an properly then? Since i quoted you where it says in the Qur'an that we accept what Allaah's Messenger, Muhammad (peace be upon him) said?
Allaah (Exalted is He) mentions the Hikmaah in several ayaat:
Allaah has surely blessed the believers with His favor when He raised in their midst a Messenger from among themselves, who recites to them His verses and makes them pure and teaches them the Book and the Wisdom, while they were, earlier in open error. (Soorah Al-Baqaraa:164)
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He (Allaah) is the One who raised up, among the unlettered, a Messenger from among themselves who recites the verses of Allaah, and makes them pure, and teaches them the Book and the Wisdom. (Soorah al-Joomooa:2)

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Here Hikmaah is followed straight after the mentioning of Kitaab (Book). According to the Quraniyyah, it should read as:
He (Allaah) is the One who raised up, among the unlettered, a Messenger from among themselves who recites the verses of Allaah, and makes them pure, and teaches them the Book (Qur'aan) and the Wisdom (Qur'aan) (Soorah al-Joomooa:2)

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This is grammatically incorrect since according to the Qur'aanic principle of mooghayaraa (differentiation), coupled words do not mean the same thing and indeed the Glorious Qur’aan is far above such mistakes.

Allaah (Exalted is He) says: Do they not then consider the Qur'aan carefully? Had it been from other than Allaah, they would surely have found therein much contradiction. (Soorah An Nisaa: 82)


You can check this link for more authentic info and proofs:
http://www.load-islam.com/artical_de...ection=Hadeeth
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Now you speak of Isa son of mary as Muslims call him , Coming back to earth and getting married Yes . I have no problem with Isa son of mary geting married NoneWhatSoEver.
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That's kool. :)


Now I Overstand this is Islam / Muslims forum ok . But its seem it ok if you and a few others throw stone's add other and then try to hide your hand's . But yet yall speak of fairness ,

You speak of truth , What you really mean is the way You [ Fi_Sabilillah and a few like you SEE IT ] And anyone who doesn't SEE IT YOU WAY is speaking against Islam .
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The problem is when others speak against Islaam without any knowledge, that's when the problems come up. :)



Like I told you before 90% of people of religion no nothing about their own belief's , And thats because they relie on other to tell them what to believe , And say thats because they're to lazy to do their Home work / research .
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Is there any research to prove that? Infact, what is religion without beliefs?



Here A Question For You Fi_Sabilillah Do you accept ALL Hadith'ssss YES or No , If the answer Yes can you tell me why , If your answer No can you explain Why not .
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I think you're getting mixed up, the word hadith means 'narrative', and the Sunnah is what is authentically reported to the Messenger of Allaah, Muhammad (peace be upon him.)

Therefore the hadith (narratives) can be weak, hasan (good), saheeh [authentic], so we don't accept all. However, the Authentic [saheeh] ones we accept since they are authentically linked to the Messenger of Allaah, peace be upon him.


Therefore, to answer your question - no we don't accept ALL ahadith, however we do accept the Authentic ones.



And Allaah knows best.



Peace.
 
Fi_Sabilillah said:
Did Allaah's Messenger, Muhammad (peace be upon him) write the Qur'an down himself? It was his companions who did, and they also writ ahadith too. Again - refer to the link i gave you earlier.
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Prophet Muhammad companions are nothing but men , Meaning writeing men and not Allah own Word ,

By the way I really don't like reading link's because they're Thousand upon Thousand's links on same subject all saying something diffrent and people like yourself goes to these link and pick one of these link that agree with them , and expect people to accept them .
 
Balthasar21 said:
Prophet Muhammad companions are nothing but men , Meaning writeing men and not Allah own Word ,

By the way I really don't like reading link's because they're Thousand upon Thousand's links on same subject all saying something diffrent and people like yourself goes to these link and pick one of these link that agree with them , and expect people to accept them .
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The companions of Allaah's Messenger, Muhammad (peace be upon him) were men, they writ the Qur'an, and they writ ahadith. :)

What else did you think they would be?
 
Balthasar21 said:
Do you accept all the Ahadith these men write Yes or No ?
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No :)


Fi_Sabilillah said:
I think you're getting mixed up, the word hadith means 'narrative', and the Sunnah is what is authentically reported to the Messenger of Allaah, Muhammad (peace be upon him.)

Therefore the hadith (narratives) can be weak, hasan (good), saheeh [authentic], so we don't accept all. However, the Authentic [saheeh] ones we accept since they are authentically linked to the Messenger of Allaah, peace be upon him.


Therefore, to answer your question - no we don't accept ALL ahadith, however we do accept the Authentic ones.


And Allaah knows best.


Peace.
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http://www.islamicboard.com/755474-post29.html
 
Fi_Sabilillah said:
No :)




http://www.islamicboard.com/755474-post29.html
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First let me say this by no means I am I mix up , I know your master at playing on words , And I find it to be funny You remind me of a christian minister telling the people they have to give 10% of their pay to the church .

Good thing you answer was no because I was about to Burst your Bubble then you would have to delete my post again for fear of it being read .
 
Balthasar, we're not scared of your posts since Islaam is the truth without a doubt.

And say: "Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish." [Qur'an 17:81]​

The reason why i deleted your post first was because i thought you never had the intention to learn, and it turns out that's exactly what happened.

Then i undeleted it and responded to it, and what did you do? You just ignored what i said and started throwing more claims which - the praise is for Allaah - got refuted again. You still couldn't get enough so you continued trying to act like you have knowledge of the religion, and because you failed - you started acting arrogant, and started saying that i remind you of a 'christian minister.'


If that's all you really going to do - then i don't really know what your purpose is here on this forum, but it shows that you don't really have a good intention here.



Peace.

 
Fi_Sabilillah said:
Balthasar, we're not scared of your posts since Islaam is the truth without a doubt.

And say: "Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish." [Qur'an 17:81]​

The reason why i deleted your post first was because i thought you never had the intention to learn, and it turns out that's exactly what happened.

Then i undeleted it and responded to it, and what did you do? You just ignored what i said and started throwing more claims which - the praise is for Allaah - got refuted again. You still couldn't get enough so you continued trying to act like you have knowledge of the religion, and because you failed - you started acting arrogant, and started saying that i remind you of a 'christian minister.'


If that's all you really going to do - then i don't really know what your purpose is here on this forum, but it shows that you don't really have a good intention here.



Peace.
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Fi_Sabilillah < Says > Balthasar, we're not scared of your posts since Islaam is the truth without a doubt.

Balthasar < Says >Oh there ( Doubt ) When there 82 diffrent Sect /schools of though in Islaam , When Yall can't Agree on which Story to Tell , So yes theres much Doubt . But what your really Afraid / Scared of is my type of Questioning and you know it . ( And That's The Reson DELETEING My Post No More Less ) .

Fi_Sabilillah < Says > The reason why i deleted your post first was because i thought you never had the intention to learn, and it turns out that's exactly what happened.

Balthasar < Says > One can only learn from A Learn-Man not from some one who runs to his Favorite / Website / School of Though , And feel [ His -School of Though ] should be accepted above other's Overstand .

Fi_Sabilillah < Says > Then i undeleted it and responded to it, and what did you do? You just ignored what i said and started throwing more claims which - the praise is for Allaah - got refuted again. You still couldn't get enough so you continued trying to act like you have knowledge of the religion, and because you failed - you started acting arrogant, and started saying that i remind you of a 'christian minister.

'Balthasar < Says > Again I never make [ Claims ] I always back up what I say with chapter and verse , Only the arrogant would accept anything from the Non - Learn Person like yourself . Anyone can go to there Favorite / Website / School of Thought and say these are the words of God / Allah Etc . What your doing is puting your god -Allah above everyone , I Have never disrespected Allah or any other God for that matter , I Question you and your Not Allah , Are you saying Allah fear being Question By those whom he created ? Or is it you who fear being Questioning . Name callling only show the Weakness of a person . And yes you do remind me of a Minster both of you began calling people names when they don't accept what your calling the words of God . .( By the way when you undeleted my post ) I though you were going to be man enough to answer it . Not throw it in my face , But I Did say thank you didn't I . By deleteing my post only show fear of them , other wise all this backward and forward wouldn't be Necessary now would it , No you have to prove everyone wrong . And like I said with 82 diffrent schools of though , What make your school of thought above other's . Are saying Allah choose your school of though above all the Muslims in the world YES / NO . Hummmm that sound like , Some people who said they were choose people of God hummm lololololol

Fi_Sabilillah < Says > If that's all you really going to do - then i don't really know what your purpose is here on this forum, but it shows that you don't really have a good intention here.


'Balthasar < Says > Un-like you I'm not trying to Recruit / Convert / Force anyone here to my Overstanding Nor do I Insult / call people name like you when they don't accept my Overstanding , I only insult those who insult me first . My intention are just like other here and that to discuss Religion no more less . You havn't learn to Agree to Disagree , You want tell people what they should believe / accept , And when they don't you have problem with them , And your not man enough to tell the truth about it , A Wise Man Said One Only Learn By Asking Question And Then Ask ... WHO / WHAT / WHERE / WHEN / WHY / HOW . Can you deal with this without takeing things so personal . ( Oh by the way don't come with that your speaking on Allah behalf ok )
 
Bros fi is actually one of the few who really holds his temper... I don't think you wish to discuss topics when all you do is bring large volumes of cut and paste without even sourcing or having the ability to fluidly discuss their contents . That is our opinion of you from the topics you have presented-- Further, this is an Islamic forum, if he were trying to convert people, why would he do it here? shouldn't he be actively visiting Christian, Buddhist, Jewish, Atheist forums to spread the word?.. seems ridiculous to convert people in a place where they come on their own volition

peace!
 
PurestAmbrosia said:
Bros fi is actually one of the few who really holds his temper... I don't think you wish to discuss topics when all you do is bring large volumes of cut and paste without even sourcing or having the ability to fluidly discuss their contents . That is our opinion of you from the topics you have presented-- Further, this is an Islamic forum, if he were trying to convert people, why would he do it here? shouldn't he be actively visiting Christian, Buddhist, Jewish, Atheist forums to spread the word?.. seems ridiculous to convert people in a place where they come on their own volition

peace!
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You being a so-called Muslim woman you should know your place when men are talking Yes . Or could it be your trying to start more trouble .
 
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