Question to Atheists: Male/Female how?

[Hamayun]

My question is to Atheists.

Before you answer this please refrain from mahoosive copy/paste from google. Please speak in simple terms and explain briefly.

I have been reading all the threads about evolution and the "theories" that explain evolving from single celled organisms.... whats your "theory" for this?

My question is:

a) Single celled organisms reproduce by cell division right? So if we evolved from single cell organisms at what point did they become male and female?

b) What was the cause for the Sexes to come into existence?

Was it caused by mutation? Was it a slow process? If so surely the sexual organs were not fully functional and therefore would cause the species to go extinct? Or did they miraculously appear in their fully fuctional form?

c) How was it that the males and females were given different set of tools that together create such a robust and complicated system? Was it by accident? If it was by accident then refer to b)


Basically when and where did the sexual organs come if there was no plan behind them? Did the single celled organisms plan the reproductive system?

Thanks.

 

[ninetrey]

esselamu aleikum

can someone please close this thread because this hole evolution thing might confuse some muslims!the evolution is a invention of the **** devil iblis
and all atheists will burn in hell thread closes!

 

[Hamayun]

Haha! I kinda agree with you. Evolution threads just seem to be more of a "who can google faster" competition with no real conclusion... ever.

But this question just popped up in my head a few days ago so I though I might as well ask the "experts" on the latest "theories"

 

[Chuck]

I've one possible answer without googling but let the atheist answer here first.

 

[Gator]

Sorry to blow by the OP but this was an interesting read for those interested (has a little bit about sex) -
http://judson.blogs.nytimes.com/200...a-dash-of-chance/?scp=1&sq=dash chance&st=cse

Sex articles (its a pay site though) - http://www.nature.com/nrg/focus/evolsex/index.html

thanks.

 

[Wyatt]

I am no expert on this, but for a religious person just to ignore 'evolution' and pretend it doesn't exist is foolish in my opinion. Animals are changing right now; new species are being bred. Who's to say 'change' isn't possible? In some cases, intentionally. Humans change dogs, create new breeds with different instincts. If you say it is, then how can evolution not be?

As for the gender question, I'm not an evolutionist by that I don't study and claim it. I believe in the general notion, and have nothing against the theory that we branched off from monkehz. So, I could probably not answer with credible information.

But, I do think that the 'everything was planned out and has been the same' mindset seems a bit shallow in thinking. Maybe it was, by Allah, but to think things can't change evolutionary is putting a lot out of Allah's hands, isn't it? There're a lot of things about evolution one can't just push into the rubbish bin. This also puts dinosaurs and the neanderthalic fossils into question for the religious people. Please, don't pretend you have all the answers when we still have unanswered questions.

So maybe someone, hopefully, with more knowledge than me can answer the gender question. I am also interested in hearing what explanation there is.

(Agnostic, not Atheist.)

 

[Hamayun]

I am no expert on this, but for a religious person just to ignore 'evolution' and pretend it doesn't exist is foolish in my opinion. Animals are changing right now; new species are being bred. Who's to say 'change' isn't possible? In some cases, intentionally. Humans change dogs, create new breeds with different instincts. If you say it is, then how can evolution not be?

As for the gender question, I'm not an evolutionist by that I don't study and claim it. I believe in the general notion, and have nothing against the theory that we branched off from monkehz. So, I could probably not answer with credible information.

But, I do think that the 'everything was planned out and has been the same' mindset seems a bit shallow in thinking. Maybe it was, by Allah, but to think things can't change evolutionary is putting a lot out of Allah's hands, isn't it? There're a lot of things about evolution one can't just push into the rubbish bin. This also puts dinosaurs and the neanderthalic fossils into question for the religious people. Please, don't pretend you have all the answers when we still have unanswered questions.

So maybe someone, hopefully, with more knowledge than me can answer the gender question. I am also interested in hearing what explanation there is.

(Agnostic, not Atheist.)

I respect your views and I actually agree with you. Evolution has been happening since the beginning of time and evolution is still happening. However, I do not believe evolution is un-planned. I believe it is all part of a system that has been brought into existence intentionally.

Peace

 

[Wyatt]

I respect your views and I actually agree with you. Evolution has been happening since the beginning of time and evolution is still happening. However, I do not believe evolution is un-planned. I believe it is all part of a system that has been brought into existence intentionally.

Peace

This is agreeable!
I'm glad there's a consensus on this. It doesn't have to be unplanned, but it's existence is undeniable, I think. If it's in Allah's will, then be it.

 

[Chuck]

Sorry to blow by the OP but this was an interesting read for those interested (has a little bit about sex) -
http://judson.blogs.nytimes.com/200...a-dash-of-chance/?scp=1&sq=dash chance&st=cse

Sex articles (its a pay site though) - http://www.nature.com/nrg/focus/evolsex/index.html

thanks.

pay attention to bold read print in OP.

 

[Baji-Ji]

This is kinda off point but in religious education when I was in school the teacher posed the question is it comforting to believe in an afterlife and that's why people do it? And of course my friend an athiest nodded her head. At the time this meant nothing to me.

Now mashallah my deen is stronger and when I think back on that question I wonder where the comfort lies in believing in an afterlife .. with all the sin going on in the world today the thought of an afterlife is far from comforting for me!

But inshallah Allah will accept our repentance and we will find comfort in an afterlife.

 

[Trumble]

My question is to Atheists.

Why is it solely directed at atheists? Many theists also accept evolution.

I have been reading all the threads about evolution and the "theories" that explain evolving from single celled organisms.... whats your "theory" for this?

Why is "theory" in inverted commas? Regardless, I don't have one, not being a biologist or evolutionary scientist. As far as I can see nobody is sure and it remains an answered question. As with all unanswered questions in science, and there are a virtual infinity of them, the fact that the answer is unknown in 1809, 1909, 2009, or even 2109 doesn't mean it never will be known. In this instance we might never know.. the key to past in this context is examination of fossils and if the process kicked off in soft tissued organisms half a billion years ago there might just be no record sufficient to generate more than speculative hypotheses.

Maybe in some future laboratory we can actually simulate the process.. and who knows? We might even travel to another, younger, planet somewhere out there and watch it as it happens. Giving up just because we don't now now, and assigning responsibility to an unprovable, unknowable God presumably on the grounds we never will know is not only logical nonsense, it's blatant intellectual surrender. 'Evolutionists' prefer to leave that to 'creationists'.

 

[Hamayun]

Why is it solely directed at atheists? Many theists also accept evolution.

I accept evolution too. Never mentioned in my post I didn't? :?

Why is "theory" in inverted commas? Regardless, I don't have one, not being a biologist or evolutionary scientist. As far as I can see nobody is sure and it remains an answered question. As with all unanswered questions in science, and there are a virtual infinity of them, the fact that the answer is unknown in 1809, 1909, 2009, or even 2109 doesn't mean it never will be known. In this instance we might never know.. the key to past in this context is examination of fossils and if the process kicked off in soft tissued organisms half a billion years ago there might just be no record sufficient to generate more than speculative hypotheses.

Maybe in some future laboratory we can actually simulate the process.. and who knows? We might even travel to another, younger, planet somewhere out there and watch it as it happens.

Thanks for your effort but this is completely uninformative and hasn't contributed to the discussion in any way.

Giving up just because we don't now now, and assigning responsibility to an unprovable, unknowable God presumably on the grounds we never will know is not only logical nonsense, it's blatant intellectual surrender. 'Evolutionists' prefer to leave that to 'creationists'.

I wonder what gave you that idea? I would like you to show me even one Muslim who follows Islam on the grounds 'we never will know'. I challenge you.

As Muslims we accept Muhammad (pbuh) as the messenger of God and believe in his message. His character, way of life and the message he brought are enough reason for most of us. Not to mention the words of the Quran. Those are the reasons we are "theists" as you like to call us. Not because we have surrendered our intelligence. :mmokay:

 

[Ali_Cena]

Sorry to blow by the OP but this was an interesting read for those interested (has a little bit about sex) -
http://judson.blogs.nytimes.com/200...a-dash-of-chance/?scp=1&sq=dash chance&st=cse

Sex articles (its a pay site though) - http://www.nature.com/nrg/focus/evolsex/index.html

thanks.

he siad no googling are you stupid gator>>>>>>>?
no googling dont have a fool of yourself.

 

[Trumble]

I accept evolution too. Never mentioned in my post I didn't? :?

So, answer the question.

Thanks for your effort but this is completely uninformative and hasn't contributed to the discussion in any way.

You will forgive me if I disagree. I have rather more faith in my own judgement than yours. I've returned the negative rep... not something I usually do but in this case your arrogance is so breathtaking I'll make an exception.

I wonder what gave you that idea? I would like you to show me even one Muslim who follows Islam on the grounds 'we never will know'. I challenge you.

I'd take the trouble to actually read people's posts before issuing 'challenges', if I were you. I never claimed anyone 'follows Islam' on those grounds. I implied people reject evolution - the predominant scientific theory - in favour of creationism for that reason, but as you yourself 'accept evolution' clearly neither of us believe those people and 'muslims' are necessarily one and the same.

 

[Ali_Cena]

So, answer the question.

he was questiing the athiest(who beliving in evolution)........... dont make a fool of yourself aswell trumble lol

Peace

 

[Trumble]

he was questiing the athiest(who beliving in evolution)........... dont make a fool of yourself aswell trumble lol

I suggest you either try and keep up, or follow your own advice. He has acknowledged that some muslims 'believe' in evolution as well.

 

[Faisal Pervaiz]

Not one Athiest has answered a single question that Brother Ali asked them.

Comon Athiests whats wrong?

 

[Ali_Cena]

I suggest you either try and keep up, or follow your own advice. He has acknowledged that some muslims 'believe' in evolution as well.

firstly were have i said he hasent........? >>>>>>nowhere.

second of all i belive in some parts of evolution and acknolwge some muslims do e.g abdul fattah.

third of all dont get away from what i said, i said that you should not ask him to answer becuase he was QUESTIONG ATHEIST WHO belive in evolution.

NOT THIEST WHO BELIVE in evoliution........

lol i like the way you go off topic to what i said. lol

 

[Trumble]

i said that you should not ask him to answer becuase he was QUESTIONG ATHEIST WHO belive in evolution.

NOT THIEST WHO BELIVE in evoliution........

I know he was asking that. I asked WHY he was limiting potential respondents to atheists. If, as everyone seems to agree, both atheists and theists may 'believe' in evolution why distinguish between the two? Perhaps the poster who can provide Hamayun with an answer that pleases him is a theist; several muslim members are biological scientists of some sort or other.

 

[Hamayun]

Trumble I would love to hurl personal insults back at you too but I am better than that.

Now please read carefully:

1. If you read my 2nd post you would see that I believe in evolution but I do not think it is un-planned.

2. The question was aimed at Atheists who believe there was no intelligence behind Evolution.

3. I am not sure what negative rep you are talking about? And I am not sure why you felt the need to leave me neg rep :?

4. Funny how you hurl abuse and then claim others are arrogant? Whats the matter? Did I touch a nerve?

I really couldn't care less what your opinions are of me. I don't know you and wouldn't like to know you either.

Peace.