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SubhanAllah, this thread is alive and still kicking. So much to learn so little time :) I keep thinking of a question to ask, but none comes to mind! even if i do find one, i wouldnt know if its answered lol. Keep it up guyyss.
 
SubhanAllah, this thread is alive and still kicking. So much to learn so little time :) I keep thinking of a question to ask, but none comes to mind! even if i do find one, i wouldnt know if its answered lol. Keep it up guyyss.

Me to! I keep trying to think of another question, but there are like a billion pages and whenever i search it has been answered already! It seems like there have been many Jews here who have come and gone handing down this thread and the answering responsibilities to the next guy. They all have different philosophies, opinions, and political views, but they all follow there Torah and Orthodox Judaism. It is really cool.

I think this is the most viewed thread in comparative religion!
 
Well no kidding, its 59 pages! Ya Allah! Well who doesnt have their own views. You actually learn more that way :) Ill ask a question, when i can find one that hasnt been covered...havent been here in months!

Peace
 
i am not aware of sources outside of the jewish holy books that quote the prophet moshe.

in the talmud and midrash references to the prophet moshe can be found.

Am confused, look, so your telling me you can find quotes from there, but then you tell me that you don't know of any sources outside Jewish Holy Books, so this leads me to think that the Talmud and Midrash are Holy Books, but you also said,


what many do not realize is that all words in the talmud are not law, there are many arguments between the rabbis and only ONE opinion can be law.

So then the Talmud is not a Holy Book? Anyhow, whatever that might be, my question was, '..how would these be verified, I mean for a Jew I'm guessing you dont need any 'verification' for the Torah, but what about stuff outside the Torah. Including quotes from Moses, peace be upon him, and quotes from Rabbis of old.'


To move on,

Therefore she can marry when she turns three because she will be considered a virgin again.

So marriage to a three year old is allowed?

What I have understood from what you posted was that according to some if a girl is raped before three years old she might still be considered a virgin because she will have time to heal but if she is raped after three then she is not considered a virgin.

The quote you later provided of a different opinion or view was Sanhedrin 55b says IF a girl is raped – if she is younger than 3 she is still considered a virgin for the sake of later marriage. If she is older then 3 it is considered RAPE and one of the compensations is that her father may demand the perp marry her as well as pay all the criminal penalties. But I have yet to see anyone quote fully the passafe from the Sanhedrin because from what I have read the passage doesn't say 'if a girl is raped' it talks about the fact that if a Levite has sex with her then he has aquired her. Furthermore the above passage says that the father may have compensation and part of it is that the father may make the man, i.e. the one who raped her, marry her. So marriage to a three year old or over is allowed according to that?

Eesa.
 
Am confused, look, so your telling me you can find quotes from there, but then you tell me that you don't know of any sources outside Jewish Holy Books, so this leads me to think that the Talmud and Midrash are Holy Books, but you also said, So then the Talmud is not a Holy Book?


i think you do not understand. the talmud is a very holy book, and the gemora which is what was quoted is the commentary on the mishna the first part of the talmud, and how it is to be applied ect. every opinion in the gemora is not the correct opinion according to jewish thought, it is an opinion of a rabbi that was either integrated into jewish law or was rejected as not correct.

Anyhow, whatever that might be, my question was, '..how would these be verified, I mean for a Jew I'm guessing you dont need any 'verification' for the Torah, but what about stuff outside the Torah. Including quotes from Moses, peace be upon him, and quotes from Rabbis of old.'


i am not sure what you need to be verified. is there a quote from the prophet moshe in a book which you want to know if it is verified or not?

So marriage to a three year old is allowed?


incorrect, the Kidushin 41a says: "It is forbidden for a man to betroth his daughter while she is young [but rather he should wait] till she has grown and says 'This is the one I want [to marry]" and this teaching is repeated elsewhere in the Talmud.

when refering to marriage with a three year old, it is saying that the father may have the right to marry off his daughter, snce over three she is not a virgin anylonger, (but that is not her fault). what you fail to grasp is that this is not talking about marriage like a 3 year old getting married, it is talking about is a girl is over 3 years old can she still get married since she is not a virgin any longer.

it is a tough situation because it is very hard to marry off a jewish girl who is not a virgin back in this day regardless if it is rape or her fault. this part of the talmud speaks about that the non-virgin can still get married because it is not her fault. they are not saying that she can get married at 3 years old, but that she can get married if she was raped after 3 years old, since she is not longer considered a virgin.

One can marry as soon as they reach majority, which has been defined since well before the first century as age 12 for girls, 13 for boys. A jewish 13 year old boy, and 12 year odl girl become a bar or bat mitzvah which means they are must follow the laws of torah and are no loger exempt. they are basically adults under jewish law at 13 and 12.

The quote you later provided of a different opinion or view was Sanhedrin 55b says IF a girl is raped – if she is younger than 3 she is still considered a virgin for the sake of later marriage. If she is older then 3 it is considered RAPE and one of the compensations is that her father may demand the perp marry her as well as pay all the criminal penalties. But I have yet to see anyone quote fully the passafe from the Sanhedrin because from what I have read the passage doesn't say 'if a girl is raped' it talks about the fact that if a Levite has sex with her then he has aquired her. Furthermore the above passage says that the father may have compensation and part of it is that the father may make the man, i.e. the one who raped her, marry her. So marriage to a three year old or over is allowed according to that?


alright, can you share with me the passages you have read, and not just the bigoted snippets on various anti-Jewish websites, because the majority of translations on the Talmud are incorrect, by the way there is no complete Talmud available online today that is in English. if you know hebrew however, then there are complete versions on the internet, and i would like to ask you what exact conclusion you came with when you read the entire passage.

Sanhedrin 55b discusses the age at which a male or a female can be considered to be sexually mature for the purpose of punishing the offender who has sex with them. Rambam in Mishneh Torah, Hilchot Ishut 1:4 says:
“Whoever has licentious relations with a woman without marriage bonds is lashed by Torah mandate.”
As for arranged marriages with children --- this was common practice in Xian countries at one time, too. In July 1543, Mary of Scotland was betrothed to be married to Edward, son of King Henry VIII of England.

SIX MONTHS OLD.

It doesn't mean they had sex -- it was an arranged marriage.


An arranged marriage could also be annuled by the women or man when they reached the age when they were adults to under jewish law.
 
Belated Hannukah greetings to our Jewish friends here at LI!

Apologies for being late ... :-[

I would love to hear why and how Hannukah is celebrated, and how the date is determined.

Thank you! :)
 


i think you do not understand. the talmud is a very holy book, and the gemora which is what was quoted is the commentary on the mishna the first part of the talmud, and how it is to be applied ect. every opinion in the gemora is not the correct opinion according to jewish thought, it is an opinion of a rabbi that was either integrated into jewish law or was rejected as not correct.



i am not sure what you need to be verified. is there a quote from the prophet moshe in a book which you want to know if it is verified or not?

Ok, so lets stick to one part at the time, since 'I do not understand', so you have the Talmud, the talmud is in different parts and the Mishna is the first part of the Talmud, the Gemora is the commentry on the Mishna.

So the question arises, what is in the Talmud? Because what was quoted before was only commentry on part of the Talmud, what was actually the text of it?

With regards to the Quote from Moses, peace be upon him, I am asking how verification happens, I don't have a quote from him I want verified but I am more interested in how verification of his words happen.
 
how the date is determined.

On the 25th of Kislev are the days of Chanukkah, which are eight... these were appointed a Festival with Hallel [prayers of praise] and thanksgiving.
-Shabbat 21b, Babylonian Talmud

would love to hear why and how Hannukah is celebrated

Chanukkah, the Jewish festival of rededication, also known as the festival of lights, is an eight day festival beginning on the 25th day of the Jewish month of Kislev.

Chanukkah is probably one of the best known Jewish holidays, not because of any great religious significance, but because of its proximity to Christmas. Many non-Jews (and even many assimilated Jews!) think of this holiday as the Jewish Christmas, adopting many of the Christmas customs, such as elaborate gift-giving and decoration. It is bitterly ironic that this holiday, which has its roots in a revolution against assimilation and the suppression of Jewish religion, has become the most assimilated, secular holiday on our calendar.

The Story
The story of Chanukkah begins in the reign of Alexander the Great. Alexander conquered Syria, Egypt and Palestine, but allowed the lands under his control to continue observing their own religions and retain a certain degree of autonomy. Under this relatively benevolent rule, many Jews assimilated much of Hellenistic culture, adopting the language, the customs and the dress of the Greeks, in much the same way that Jews in America today blend into the secular American society.

More than a century later, a successor of Alexander, Antiochus IV was in control of the region. He began to oppress the Jews severely, placing a Hellenistic priest in the Temple, massacring Jews, prohibiting the practice of the Jewish religion, and desecrating the Temple by requiring the sacrifice of pigs (a non-kosher animal) on the altar. Two groups opposed Antiochus: a basically nationalistic group led by Mattathias the Hasmonean and his son Judah Maccabee, and a religious traditionalist group known as the Chasidim, the forerunners of the Pharisees (no direct connection to the modern movement known as Chasidism). They joined forces in a revolt against both the assimilation of the Hellenistic Jews and oppression by the Selucid Greek government. The revolution succeeded and the Temple was rededicated.

According to tradition as recorded in the Talmud, at the time of the rededication, there was very little oil left that had not been defiled by the Greeks. Oil was needed for the menorah (candelabrum) in the Temple, which was supposed to burn throughout the night every night. There was only enough oil to burn for one day, yet miraculously, it burned for eight days, the time needed to prepare a fresh supply of oil for the menorah. An eight day festival was declared to commemorate this miracle. Note that the holiday commemorates the miracle of the oil, not the military victory: Jews do not glorify war.

Each night, another candle is added from right to left (like the Hebrew language). Candles are lit from left to right (because you pay honor to the newer thing first). On the eighth night, all nine candles (the 8 Chanukkah candles and the shammus) are lit. See animation at right for the candlelighting procedure. On nights after the first, only the first two blessings are recited; the third blessing, she-hekhianu is only recited on the first night of holidays.

Why the shammus candle? The Chanukkah candles are for pleasure only; we are not allowed to use them for any productive purpose. We keep an extra one around (the shammus), so that if we need to do something useful with a candle, we don't accidentally use the Chanukkah candles. The shammus candle is at a different height so that it is easily identified as the shammus.

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So the question arises, what is in the Talmud? Because what was quoted before was only commentry on part of the Talmud, what was actually the text of it?

Sanhedrin 55b discusses the age at which a male or a female can be considered to be sexually mature for the purpose of punishing the offender who has sex with them.


The Rabbi's then debate this, as different situations are brought up, and other instances are looked upon.

here is what is discussed about in this section of the talmud:
The subject matter of Tract Sanhedrin is principally about crime and punishment. One of the most notable discussions in this book is the debate about the 'stubborn and rebellious son' (Chapter VIII). The rabbis openly express scepticism that a son who disrespects his father in a particular way should be put to death. Out of this quibble over an obscure 'worst case scenario' (worst case scenarios are spoken about and often part of the attemots to take the talmud out of context) we see the emergence of a key principle of jurisprudence: the execution of divine law must be tempered by human mercy. This book also wanders far and wide, dispensing wisdom on such topics as the location of the lost tribes, what the windows on Noah's ark were made of, and when the Messiah is due to arrive.
With regards to the Quote from Moses, peace be upon him, I am asking how verification happens, I don't have a quote from him I want verified but I am more interested in how verification of his words happen.

i am unsure of how we verify this. we all believe that what is in the Torah and other scriptures is the truth. is there a way to know what exactly mohammod said, i guess you could find references to his words from others who wrote about him at that time, although i am not sure.
 
Sanhedrin 55b discusses the age at which a male or a female can be considered to be sexually mature for the purpose of punishing the offender who has sex with them.


Ok, so is the Sanhedrin 55b part of the Talmud or is it a commentry on something in the Talmud.

If it is part of the Talmud can you please just paste the whole thing, if it only commentry can you then paste the part it is commentating on, my humble request.


i am unsure of how we verify this. we all believe that what is in the Torah and other scriptures is the truth. is there a way to know what exactly mohammod said, i guess you could find references to his words from others who wrote about him at that time, although i am not sure.

Well I asked because I think in the thread about the Curroption of the Torah someone brought up how it was for a surety known that the Torah was passed down adn so forth, so I would have thought the same would have happend with the Oral Tradition, it would be interesting to see if there is a method of verification. The Muslim's method is what made me ask about whether Jews had a method.

Thanks for your patience, I look forward again to reading more.
 
an example i will give you is this:

(this is an example and not a real case or text)

Mishna: Noah was the most righteous person in his generation.

Gemora: Rabbi A says Noah was righteous in his generation but hsi generation was full of evil, so he would be consdered a normal human in another generation that had kindness. Rabbi B says Noah was righteous in all the generations including his (cites some reference) or G-d would not have bothered saving a man that would be average in another era.

An argument would occur then. keep in mind The Talmud is not easy to read. It reminds me of someone else's class notes for a college lecture you never attended. There are often gaps in the reasoning where it is assumed that you already know what they are talking about, and concepts are often expressed in a sort of shorthand. Biblical verses that support a teaching are often referenced by only two or three words. The Talmud preserves a variety of views on every issue, and does not always clearly identify which view is the accepted one.
 
Ok, so is the Sanhedrin 55b part of the Talmud or is it a commentry on something in the Talmud.

the part you read was commentary and the debate of opinions on the matter of the punishment, age ect and how the person would be punished.

both the mishna and gemora are in the tractate 'sanhedrin'. the part that you read and we are discussing is the gemora or commentary and debate on the topic by the rabbis.
 
Well I asked because I think in the thread about the Curroption of the Torah someone brought up how it was for a surety known that the Torah was passed down adn so forth, so I would have thought the same would have happend with the Oral Tradition, it would be interesting to see if there is a method of verification. The Muslim's method is what made me ask about whether Jews had a method.

i am not sure, if there is a chain of people that link the oral torah or 'talmud' back to its source. i assume there is one, i will look for you.
 
If it is part of the Talmud can you please just paste the whole thing, if it only commentry can you then paste the part it is commentating on, my humble request.

can you read hebrew? there is no full english translation of the talmud available online. just parts and bits of pieces on some sites, and many parts but are on anti-jewish sites which are smeared and taken out of context.

if you understand yiddish or aramiac i might be able to find you the text in those languages.
 
Belated Hannukah greetings to our Jewish friends here at LI!

Apologies for being late ... :-[

I would love to hear why and how Hannukah is celebrated, and how the date is determined.

Thank you! :)

an even later chag sameach, even tho hannukah is now over.
(well, you could always get a couple more candles :giggling: )
 
the part you read was commentary and the debate of opinions on the matter of the punishment, age ect and how the person would be punished.

Oh ok, so what does the Mishna part say?

can you read hebrew? there is no full english translation of the talmud available online. just parts and bits of pieces on some sites, and many parts but are on anti-jewish sites which are smeared and taken out of context.

if you understand yiddish or aramiac i might be able to find you the text in those languages.

So you don't know of anyone who can give you a translation? I don't mean a translation of the whole Talmud but I mean for this particular bit at least.

I understand you have other things apart from coming online so take your time if you need it

Eesa.
 
Oh ok, so what does the Mishna part say?



So you don't know of anyone who can give you a translation? I don't mean a translation of the whole Talmud but I mean for this particular bit at least.

I understand you have other things apart from coming online so take your time if you need it

Eesa.

i'll ask someone who is more fluent in herew than i since it is a second language to me if he can translate.
 
Are Jews permitted to listen to music? Are mixing of the sexes allowed?

Thanks in advance
Peace CG
 
Are females allowed to touch the tanak? (sorry if its spelt wrong) and/or are they allowed within the places of worship? I've heard lots of rumours.. not too sure. :)


Thanks.
 
Salaam/peace to all;

I almost lost my courage to ask about Judaism. Only wanted to share the info that from this Jewish site , i found the same verse about which i asked the quesion.


Babylonian Talmud: Tractate Sanhedrin
Sanhedrin 55b

EDITED LINK

A Rabbi is giving here a ' fatwa' that is similar to that one i found in the site ' A Jew speaks out'.


Now, i wonder , just for asking if there is such a command/verse in Talmud , why u people got mad & scolded me? If marriage of a 3 years old girl is not permitted in a normal situation but it's an exception , u could simply explained to me that.

I did not write this post to hurt u . It's hard to find any command from Talmud as it's huge ; so i thought this thread could help me to know. But , as a said , i almost lost my courage to ask.
 
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