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Abu Zakariya said:
No the Qur'an doesn't recognize the authority of the Rabbis. Do you mean to tell me that the former Sephardic chief Rabbi of Israel is supported by the Qur'an?
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His remarks referred only to "Arab murderers and terrorists" and not the Arab people as a whole.


"We sent not any before thee except men to whom we revealed: Question the People of the Remembrance [Children fo Israel], if it should be that you do not know -- with the clear signs, and the Psalms, and We have sent down to thee Remembrance [Qur'an] that thou [Muslims] mayest make clear to mankind what was sent down to them [Israelites]" [Qur'an, "The Bee", chapter 16:45].

"Have you considered? If it be from God, and you disbelieve in it, and a witness from among the Children of Israel bears witness to its like, and believes, and you wax proud -- God guides not the people of the evildoers" [Qur'an, "Sand Dunes", chapter 46:8,9].
 
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Mistranslation. He said to wipe out all the Arabs who want to kill innocent Jews.
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Not really he said that this will happen because G-D will do it:

Rabbi Yosef said in his sermon that enemies have tried to hurt the Jewish people from the time of the exodus from Egypt to this day.

"The Lord shall return the Arabs' deeds on their own heads, waste their seed and exterminate them, devastate them and vanish them from this world," he said.


It has been Profeciesed this is not his own oppinion this is Taken from Ezekiel:

Yechezkiel - Chapter 35

1. Then the word of the Lord came to me, saying:
2. "Son of man, direct your face toward Mount Seir and prophesy over it.
3. And you shall say to it: So said the Lord God: Behold I am against you, O Mount Seir, and I shall stretch forth My hand upon you and make you desolate and waste.
4. I shall lay your cities waste, and you will be desolate, and you will know that I am the Lord.
5. Because you had everlasting hatred, and you hurled the children of Israel by the sword, on the day of their misfortune at the time of the end of their iniquity.
6. Therefore, as I live, says the Lord God, for I shall make you into blood, and blood will pursue you; for surely you hated blood, and blood will pursue you.
7. And I shall make Mount Seir into desolation and waste, and I shall cut off from you anyone passing through or returning.
8. And I shall fill his mountains with his slain, your hills and your dales and all your streams-those slain by the sword will fall in them.
9. I shall make you everlasting desolations, and your cities will not return, and you will know that I am the Lord.
10. Because you said, "The two nations and the two lands will be mine, and we shall inherit it," and the Lord was there,
11. Therefore, as I live, says the Lord God, I shall commit [acts] like your wrath and like your [acts of] anger that you did out of your hatred for them, and I shall be known among them when I judge you.
12. And you will know that I am the Lord. I heard all your blasphemies that you said concerning the mountains of Israel, saying, "They have become desolate; they were given to us to devour."
13. You have magnified yourselves against Me with your mouth, and you have multiplied your words against Me; I have heard.
14. So said the Lord God: When the whole earth rejoices, I shall make you desolate.
15. As you rejoiced over the inheritance of the house of Israel because it became desolate, so will I do to you; Mount Seir and all Edom will be desolate, even all of it, and they will know that I am the Lord.
 
King David

You are yet again trying to tell us what to believe by misusing the Qur'an.

The first ayah that you quoted, about asking the People of Rememberance (ahl al-Dhikr) has a context to it.
First of all, the words you put in brackets "Children of Israel" isn't part of the actual verse. So the verse doesn't say that you should ask the Children of Israel. However, ibn 'Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him), who was a cousin of the Prophet (peace be upon him) and a great mufassir (exegete) of the Qur'an said that it does indeed refer to the Jews, as well as the Christians.

So the verse doesn't state that one should ask the Children of Israel, it does state that one should ask the people of Rememberance. ibn Abbas was of the opinion that it refers to the people of the Book.

Now, the question may arise: but why should they ask the people of the Book and who are "they", i.e. those that are instructed to ask?

This verse was a response to the Arabs that rejected Muhammad (peace be upon him) because they didn't believe Allah would send a human being as a Prophet but would rather send angels.
This is taken from the book "Tafsir ibn Kathir":

Ad-Dahhak said, reporting from Ibn `Abbas: "When Allah sent Muhammad as a Messenger, the Arabs, or some of them, denied him and said, `Allah is too great to send a human being as a Messenger.' Then Allah revealed:


[أَكَانَ لِلنَّاسِ عَجَبًا أَنْ أَوْحَيْنَآ إِلَى رَجُلٍ مِّنْهُمْ أَنْ أَنذِرِ النَّاسَ]


(Is it a wonder to people that We have sent Our Inspiration to a man from among themselves (saying): "Warn mankind...'') and He said,


[وَمَآ أَرْسَلْنَا مِن قَبْلِكَ إِلاَّ رِجَالاً نُّوحِى إِلَيْهِمْ فَاسْأَلُواْ أَهْلَ الذِّكْرِ إِن كُنْتُم لاَ تَعْلَمُونَ ]


(And We sent not (as Our Messengers) before you (O Muhammad) any but men, whom We sent Revelation. So ask Ahl Adh-Dhikr, if you know not.). meaning, (ask) the people of the previous Books, were the Messengers that were sent to them humans or angels If they were angels, then you have the right to find this strange, but if they were human, then you have no grounds to deny that Muhammad is a Messenger. Allah says:


[وَمَآ أَرْسَلْنَا مِن قَبْلِكَ إِلاَّ رِجَالاً نُّوحِى إِلَيْهِمْ مِّنْ أَهْلِ الْقُرَى]


(And We sent not before you (as Messengers) any but men to whom We revealed, from among the people of townships. ) [12:109] and not from among the people of heaven as you say.'' It was reported by Mujahid from Ibn `Abbas that what is meant by Ahl Adh-Dhikr is the People of the Book. This is as Allah says:


[أَوْ يَكُونَ لَكَ بَيْتٌ مِّن زُخْرُفٍ أَوْ تَرْقَى فِى السَّمَآءِ وَلَن نُّؤْمِنَ لِرُقِيِّكَ حَتَّى تُنَزِّلَ عَلَيْنَا كِتَابًا نَّقْرَءُهُ قُلْ سُبْحَـنَ رَبِّى هَلْ كُنتُ إَلاَّ بَشَرًا رَّسُولاً - وَمَا مَنَعَ النَّاسَ أَن يُؤْمِنُواْ إِذْ جَآءَهُمُ الْهُدَى إِلاَّ أَن قَالُواْ أَبَعَثَ اللَّهُ بَشَرًا رَّسُولاً ]


(Say: "Glorified be my Lord! Am I anything but a man, sent as a Messenger'' And nothing prevented men from believing when the guidance came to them, except that they said: "Has Allah sent a man as (His) Messenger'') (17:93-94)


[وَمَآ أَرْسَلْنَا قَبْلَكَ مِنَ الْمُرْسَلِينَ إِلاَّ إِنَّهُمْ لَيَأْكُلُونَ الطَّعَامَ وَيَمْشُونَ فِى الاٌّسْوَاقِ]


(And We never sent before you (O Muhammad) any of the Messengers but verily, they ate food and walked in the markets.) (25:20)


[وَمَا جَعَلْنَـهُمْ جَسَداً لاَّ يَأْكُلُونَ الطَّعَامَ وَمَا كَانُواْ خَـلِدِينَ ]


(And We did not create them (the Messengers, with) bodies that did not eat food, nor were they immortals.)(21:8)


[قُلْ مَا كُنتُ بِدْعاً مِّنَ الرُّسُلِ]


(Say (O Muhammad ): "I am not a new thing among the Messengers. '') [46:9],


[قُلْ إِنَّمَآ أَنَاْ بَشَرٌ مِّثْلُكُمْ يُوحَى إِلَىَّ]


(Say (O Muhammad): "I am only a man like you. It has been revealed to me.'') [18:110] Then Allah informs those who doubt that a Messenger can be a human to ask those who have knowledge of the previous Scriptures about the Prophets who came before: were their Prophets humans or angels Then Allah mentions that He has sent them,


[بِالْبَيِّنَـتِ]


(with clear signs), meaning proof and evidence, and


[وَالزُّبُرِ]


(and Books [Zubur]), meaning Scriptures.


So, basicly they didn't believe that God would send human beings as messengers which is why they disbelieved in Muhammad (peace be upon him) so they are told to ask Jews and Christians to see that human beings have been sent as messengers before. The other ayat you quoted also have explanations, but I'll stop it at here because I've already made a long post.

Again, I know that this is a Jewish Q&A thread and I'm sorry for going against the guidelines for this thread, but I don't think that anybody should be able to say anything about Islam and Muslims without being corrected if he/she isn't saying the truth.

And as for Rabbi Ovadia Yosef. King David and lavikor don't seem to agree on what the Rabbi actually said and I don't know Hebrew so I can't consult the original transcript of his speech so I trust that you have more knowledge on this than me, even thogh it seems strange to me that it caused such controversy (even the Justice Minister of Israel criticized him) if he was only refering to terrorists.
 
I am going to allow the Off topic posts to stay up for a short period of time, as they did raise an issue about Islam. however. Those posts and this one will soon be deleted and we shall all stay on the original topic.
 
43 وَمَا أَرْسَلْنَا مِن قَبْلِكَ إِلاَّ رِجَالاً نُّوحِي إِلَيْهِمْ فَاسْأَلُواْ أَهْلَ الذِّكْرِ إِن كُنتُمْ لاَ تَعْلَمُونَ 44 بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ وَالزُّبُرِ وَأَنزَلْنَا إِلَيْكَ الذِّكْرَ لِتُبَيِّنَ لِلنَّاسِ مَا نُزِّلَ إِلَيْهِمْ وَلَعَلَّهُمْ يَتَفَكَّرُونَ 45 أَفَأَمِنَ الَّذِينَ مَكَرُواْ السَّيِّئَاتِ أَن يَخْسِفَ اللّهُ بِهِمُ الأَرْضَ أَوْ يَأْتِيَهُمُ الْعَذَابُ مِنْ حَيْثُ لاَ يَشْعُرُونَ

"We sent not any before thee except men to whom we revealed: Question the People of the Remembrance [Children fo Israel], if it should be that you do not know -- with the clear signs, and the Psalms, and We have sent down to thee Remembrance [Qur'an] that thou [Muslims] mayest make clear to mankind what was sent down to them [Israelites]" ---Do they, who (in defiance of God’s grace) devise evil schemes, feel safe and secure that God will not cause the earth to swallow them, or that the punishment will not befall them without their perceiving whence it has come?


[Qur'an, "The Bee", chapter 16:43-45].

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But you listen to your teachers evil schemes instead:

"Upon this day when their faces are turned about in the fire, they shall say: 'Ah, would we had obeyed God and the messenger!' They shall say: 'Our Lord, we obeyed the chiefs and great ones, and they led us astray from the way. Our Lord, give them chastisement twofold, and curse them with a mighty curse" [ Qur'an, "The Confederates", chapter 33:66].

The next verse admonishes:

"O believers, be not as those who hurt Moses, but God declared him quit of what they said, and he was high honored with God" [Qur'an, "The Confederates", chapter 33:68].

 
And as for Rabbi Ovadia Yosef. King David and lavikor don't seem to agree on what the Rabbi actually said and I don't know Hebrew so I can't consult the original transcript of his speech so I trust that you have more knowledge on this than me, even thogh it seems strange to me that it caused such controversy (even the Justice Minister of Israel criticized him) if he was only refering to terrorists.
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Rav Yosef has some very big political enemies.
 
What place, if any, do books such as Tobit and 1 & 2 Maccabbes have in Judaism today?
 
King David

There's no use talking to you. I explained what the verse means, and instead of responding to what I wrote you just re-quote the verse! With the same misleading brackets and with the same mis-spelling, might I add.

lavikor

I see your point.
 
What place, if any, do books such as Tobit and 1 & 2 Maccabbes have in Judaism today?
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Neither have a place. I have never even read them.

This is the Tanakh:


The Torah ("Law") [also known as the Pentateuch] consists of:
1. Genesis [[FONT=SBL Hebrew, Ezra SIL SR, Ezra SIL, Cardo, Chrysanthi Unicode, TITUS Cyberbit Basic, Arial Unicode MS, Narkisim, Times New Roman]בראשית[/FONT]‎ / B'reshiit] ​

2. Exodus [[FONT=SBL Hebrew, Ezra SIL SR, Ezra SIL, Cardo, Chrysanthi Unicode, TITUS Cyberbit Basic, Arial Unicode MS, Narkisim, Times New Roman]שמות[/FONT]‎ / Sh'mot] ​

3. Leviticus [[FONT=SBL Hebrew, Ezra SIL SR, Ezra SIL, Cardo, Chrysanthi Unicode, TITUS Cyberbit Basic, Arial Unicode MS, Narkisim, Times New Roman]ויקרא[/FONT]‎ / Vayiqra] ​

4. Numbers [[FONT=SBL Hebrew, Ezra SIL SR, Ezra SIL, Cardo, Chrysanthi Unicode, TITUS Cyberbit Basic, Arial Unicode MS, Narkisim, Times New Roman]במדבר[/FONT]‎ / B'midbar] ​

5. Deuteronomy [[FONT=SBL Hebrew, Ezra SIL SR, Ezra SIL, Cardo, Chrysanthi Unicode, TITUS Cyberbit Basic, Arial Unicode MS, Narkisim, Times New Roman]דברים[/FONT]‎ / D'varim] ​

The books of Nevi'im ("Prophets") are:
6. Joshua [[FONT=SBL Hebrew, Ezra SIL SR, Ezra SIL, Cardo, Chrysanthi Unicode, TITUS Cyberbit Basic, Arial Unicode MS, Narkisim, Times New Roman]יהושע[/FONT]‎ / Y'hoshua] ​

7. Judges [[FONT=SBL Hebrew, Ezra SIL SR, Ezra SIL, Cardo, Chrysanthi Unicode, TITUS Cyberbit Basic, Arial Unicode MS, Narkisim, Times New Roman]שופטים[/FONT]‎ / Shophtim] ​

8. Samuel (I & II) [[FONT=SBL Hebrew, Ezra SIL SR, Ezra SIL, Cardo, Chrysanthi Unicode, TITUS Cyberbit Basic, Arial Unicode MS, Narkisim, Times New Roman]שמואל[/FONT]‎ / Sh'muel] ​

9. Kings (I & II) [[FONT=SBL Hebrew, Ezra SIL SR, Ezra SIL, Cardo, Chrysanthi Unicode, TITUS Cyberbit Basic, Arial Unicode MS, Narkisim, Times New Roman]מלכים[/FONT]‎ / M'lakhim] ​

10. Isaiah [[FONT=SBL Hebrew, Ezra SIL SR, Ezra SIL, Cardo, Chrysanthi Unicode, TITUS Cyberbit Basic, Arial Unicode MS, Narkisim, Times New Roman]ישעיה[/FONT]‎ / Y'shayahu] ​

11. Jeremiah [[FONT=SBL Hebrew, Ezra SIL SR, Ezra SIL, Cardo, Chrysanthi Unicode, TITUS Cyberbit Basic, Arial Unicode MS, Narkisim, Times New Roman]ירמיה[/FONT]‎ / Yir'mi'yahu] 1​

2. Ezekiel [[FONT=SBL Hebrew, Ezra SIL SR, Ezra SIL, Cardo, Chrysanthi Unicode, TITUS Cyberbit Basic, Arial Unicode MS, Narkisim, Times New Roman]יחזקאל[/FONT]‎ / Y'khezqel] ​

13. The Twelve Minor Prophets [[FONT=SBL Hebrew, Ezra SIL SR, Ezra SIL, Cardo, Chrysanthi Unicode, TITUS Cyberbit Basic, Arial Unicode MS, Narkisim, Times New Roman]תרי עשר[/FONT]‎]
I. Hosea [[FONT=SBL Hebrew, Ezra SIL SR, Ezra SIL, Cardo, Chrysanthi Unicode, TITUS Cyberbit Basic, Arial Unicode MS, Narkisim, Times New Roman]הושע[/FONT]‎ / Hoshea] ​

II. Joel [[FONT=SBL Hebrew, Ezra SIL SR, Ezra SIL, Cardo, Chrysanthi Unicode, TITUS Cyberbit Basic, Arial Unicode MS, Narkisim, Times New Roman]יואל[/FONT]‎ / Yo'el]​

III. Amos [[FONT=SBL Hebrew, Ezra SIL SR, Ezra SIL, Cardo, Chrysanthi Unicode, TITUS Cyberbit Basic, Arial Unicode MS, Narkisim, Times New Roman]עמוס[/FONT]‎ / Amos] ​

IV. Obadiah [[FONT=SBL Hebrew, Ezra SIL SR, Ezra SIL, Cardo, Chrysanthi Unicode, TITUS Cyberbit Basic, Arial Unicode MS, Narkisim, Times New Roman]עובדיה[/FONT]‎ / Ovadyah] ​

V. Jonah [[FONT=SBL Hebrew, Ezra SIL SR, Ezra SIL, Cardo, Chrysanthi Unicode, TITUS Cyberbit Basic, Arial Unicode MS, Narkisim, Times New Roman]יונה[/FONT]‎ / Yonah] ​

VI. Micah [[FONT=SBL Hebrew, Ezra SIL SR, Ezra SIL, Cardo, Chrysanthi Unicode, TITUS Cyberbit Basic, Arial Unicode MS, Narkisim, Times New Roman]מיכה[/FONT]‎ / Mikhah] ​

VII. Nahum [[FONT=SBL Hebrew, Ezra SIL SR, Ezra SIL, Cardo, Chrysanthi Unicode, TITUS Cyberbit Basic, Arial Unicode MS, Narkisim, Times New Roman]נחום[/FONT]‎ / Nakhum] ​

VIII. Habakkuk [[FONT=SBL Hebrew, Ezra SIL SR, Ezra SIL, Cardo, Chrysanthi Unicode, TITUS Cyberbit Basic, Arial Unicode MS, Narkisim, Times New Roman]חבקוק[/FONT]‎ /Khavaquq] ​

IX. Zephaniah [[FONT=SBL Hebrew, Ezra SIL SR, Ezra SIL, Cardo, Chrysanthi Unicode, TITUS Cyberbit Basic, Arial Unicode MS, Narkisim, Times New Roman]צפניה[/FONT]‎ / Ts'phanyah] ​

X. Haggai [[FONT=SBL Hebrew, Ezra SIL SR, Ezra SIL, Cardo, Chrysanthi Unicode, TITUS Cyberbit Basic, Arial Unicode MS, Narkisim, Times New Roman]חגי[/FONT]‎ / Khagai] ​

XI. Zechariah [[FONT=SBL Hebrew, Ezra SIL SR, Ezra SIL, Cardo, Chrysanthi Unicode, TITUS Cyberbit Basic, Arial Unicode MS, Narkisim, Times New Roman]זכריה[/FONT]‎ / Z'kharyah] ​

XII. Malachi [[FONT=SBL Hebrew, Ezra SIL SR, Ezra SIL, Cardo, Chrysanthi Unicode, TITUS Cyberbit Basic, Arial Unicode MS, Narkisim, Times New Roman]מלאכי[/FONT]‎ / Mal'akhi] ​

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The Kh'tuvim ("Writings") are:
14. Psalms [[FONT=SBL Hebrew, Ezra SIL SR, Ezra SIL, Cardo, Chrysanthi Unicode, TITUS Cyberbit Basic, Arial Unicode MS, Narkisim, Times New Roman]תהלים[/FONT]‎ / T'hilim] ​

15. Proverbs [[FONT=SBL Hebrew, Ezra SIL SR, Ezra SIL, Cardo, Chrysanthi Unicode, TITUS Cyberbit Basic, Arial Unicode MS, Narkisim, Times New Roman]משלי[/FONT]‎ / Mishlei] ​

16. Job [[FONT=SBL Hebrew, Ezra SIL SR, Ezra SIL, Cardo, Chrysanthi Unicode, TITUS Cyberbit Basic, Arial Unicode MS, Narkisim, Times New Roman]איוב[/FONT]‎ / Iyov] ​

17. Song of Songs [[FONT=SBL Hebrew, Ezra SIL SR, Ezra SIL, Cardo, Chrysanthi Unicode, TITUS Cyberbit Basic, Arial Unicode MS, Narkisim, Times New Roman]שיר השירים[/FONT]‎ / Shir Hashirim] ​

18. Ruth [[FONT=SBL Hebrew, Ezra SIL SR, Ezra SIL, Cardo, Chrysanthi Unicode, TITUS Cyberbit Basic, Arial Unicode MS, Narkisim, Times New Roman]רות[/FONT]‎ / Rut] ​

19. Lamentations [[FONT=SBL Hebrew, Ezra SIL SR, Ezra SIL, Cardo, Chrysanthi Unicode, TITUS Cyberbit Basic, Arial Unicode MS, Narkisim, Times New Roman]איכה[/FONT]‎ / Eikhah] ​

20. Ecclesiastes [[FONT=SBL Hebrew, Ezra SIL SR, Ezra SIL, Cardo, Chrysanthi Unicode, TITUS Cyberbit Basic, Arial Unicode MS, Narkisim, Times New Roman]קהלת[/FONT]‎ / Qohelet] ​

21. Esther [[FONT=SBL Hebrew, Ezra SIL SR, Ezra SIL, Cardo, Chrysanthi Unicode, TITUS Cyberbit Basic, Arial Unicode MS, Narkisim, Times New Roman]אסתר[/FONT]‎ / Est(h)er] ​

22. Daniel [[FONT=SBL Hebrew, Ezra SIL SR, Ezra SIL, Cardo, Chrysanthi Unicode, TITUS Cyberbit Basic, Arial Unicode MS, Narkisim, Times New Roman]דניאל[/FONT]‎ / Dani'el] 2​

3. Ezra-Nehemiah [[FONT=SBL Hebrew, Ezra SIL SR, Ezra SIL, Cardo, Chrysanthi Unicode, TITUS Cyberbit Basic, Arial Unicode MS, Narkisim, Times New Roman]עזרא ונחמיה[/FONT]‎ / Ezra wuNekhem'ya] ​

24. Chronicles (I & II) [[FONT=SBL Hebrew, Ezra SIL SR, Ezra SIL, Cardo, Chrysanthi Unicode, TITUS Cyberbit Basic, Arial Unicode MS, Narkisim, Times New Roman]דברי הימים[/FONT]‎ / Divrey Hayamim]​
King David

There's no use talking to you. I explained what the verse means, and instead of responding to what I wrote you just re-quote the verse! With the same misleading brackets and with the same mis-spelling, might I add.

lavikor

I see your point.
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Don't worry, I disagree heavily with what King David usually posts as well.
 
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Neither have a place. I have never even read them.

This is the Tanakh [listed above].
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Thank-you. I am very familiar with the 24 books you cited (though I can't count and usually number them 39 :rollseyes ). But I know that there are other writings beyond these that are important for Jews. For instance the Talmud. And at least once upon a time, a guess that these other books must have been read "religously" by some Jews for they made it into the Greek translation prepared in Alexandria under the order of Ptolemy. Do you know when they dropped out of usage and why?
 
These last couple of answers have me scratching my head, trying to figure out what happened 2200 years ago. Am I not correct that these books in question were included in the LXX? Surely there was some reason for doing so.

You know so much about your history, it is as if this must have been another branch of Judaism that died out. I'm curious, do you know if such a thing happen. The present Torah I know has a very well recorded history of transmission over centuries. But I know there were other divisions within Judaism -- such as the Essenes -- that had other writings. But the use of the LXX was much broader than that of the Essene writings I thought. Surely, there would be some record of it, even it the Hellenist Jews of that particular diaspora who used it were later absorbed into Greek culture and disappeared from the scenes of history.
 
I'm sorry but I never really studied about the LXX etc. The books have no place in Judaism today as you asked though. I know that these and several other books are known as the Apocrypha, which means, books outside of the Jewish canon of the Hebrew Bible. While they may serve a limited function as reference material and contain some historical and linguistic information, the members of the Great Assembly, who decided on the canon, excluded them from the Hebrew Bible since they judged them, among other things, not to be inspired works.
 
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Yes. But that is when I said "While they may serve a limited function as reference material and contain some historical and linguistic information." but they still are not divinely inspired.

The miracle of Hanukkah is described in the Talmud. The Gemara, in tractate Shabbat 21b, says that after the occupiers had been driven from the Temple, the Maccabees discovered that almost all of the ritual olive oil had been profaned. They found only a single container that was still sealed by the High Priest, with enough oil to keep the Menorah in the Temple lit for a single day. They used this, and miraculously, that oil burned for eight days (the time it took to have new oil pressed and made ready).

The Talmud presents three customs:
  1. Lighting one light each night per household,
  2. One light each night for each member of the household, or,
  3. The most beautiful method, where the number of candles changed each night.
I also said that the books have never had a place in "Judaism the religion" because none of the customs oh Hanukkah are from those books. They are from the Talmud, as well as the story of the miracle.
 
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