Questions about Judaism answered by a Jew!

[جوري]

wow... a brit between you and God? how do you feel about that? hehe........

 

[north_malaysian]

Actually the word 'covanent' in Hebrew is "Brit"... :happy:



BLASPHEMY

• Not to curse one of the Hebrew names of G-d
• Not to curse even a nickname of G-d in any language (ibid 351a)

not to curse? like "g_d d**mned"?

 

[lavikor201]

not to curse? like "g_d d**mned"?

Not sure to tell you the truth. I'm sorry. I can ask a rabbi if you would like.

 

[north_malaysian]

Not sure to tell you the truth. I'm sorry. I can ask a rabbi if you would like.

Yeah...kindly as a rabbi..thank you!!

 

[lavikor201]

Yeah...kindly as a rabbi..thank you!!

I asked and he said yes. But if you do not mean it and you spit it out, then you are required to learn your lesson and focus on not letting it slip anymore.

 

[QuranStudy]

Do Jews see Islam as a legit religion? I mean, do Jews hate Muslims because they belive Islam is false? Are Muslims guranteed hell according to Judaism?

 

[lavikor201]

Do Jews see Islam as a legit religion? I mean, do Jews hate Muslims because they belive Islam is false? Are Muslims guranteed hell according to Judaism?

Islam is not a legit religion. But we believe its popularity is used by G-d to get people to follow Torah. What you all do not understand is that Islam is basically a religion that follows every law the Torah says for gentiles to do! We believe Muhammad is not legit at all, the Quran is not legit, but G-d may have made Islam grow and become a religion for the sole purpose of giving a religion to gentiles that they could follow the Torah.

So basically, the growth of Islam is proof of G-d's work to give gentiles a chance at heaven since Islam teaches the Torah laws for non-jews not even knowing it.

 

[north_malaysian]

I asked and he said yes. But if you do not mean it and you spit it out, then you are required to learn your lesson and focus on not letting it slip anymore.

Of course I dont mean it ... and I know that God knows that!!!

 

[QuranStudy]

Under Judaism, girls can marry at age 3???

Sorry if I offend any Jewish brother here, but this is really bugging me. An explanation will be quite appreciated.

http://www.askmoses.com/article.html?h=573&o=2485

(Note-this is not anti-Semitic link)

This part really disturbed me:

Although we do not follow this dictum, technically speaking, a girl can be betrothed the moment she is born, and married at the age of three (Shulchan Aruch, Even HaEzer 37:1). A boy can betroth and marry at the age of thirteen (Shulchan Aruch, Even HaEzer 43:1).

1.) How come girls are allowed to marry at age 3??
2.) How come boys can marry at MUCH older age (13)??

Also, do you agree with this:

Perhaps at a certain time people were mature enough to marry earlier. The rabbis imposed their prohibition when they saw that this was no longer the case.

Again, I'm sorry if I hurt anyone. But I really need to understand these issues to understand Judaism further under historical context.

Thank you.

 

[therebbe]

Re: Under Judaism, girls can marry at age 3???

Talmud Kiddushin says that "it is forbidden for one to marry off his daughter until she is an adult and says 'this is the one I want to marry.'"

What you fail to mention is that without the girls consent she cannot be married therefore, a three year old cannot be married because she is not an adult under Jewish law. In technical terms marry at age 3 is not allowed but it doesn't say you can't do that... yet it Halakha would not allow it. For example: Just because someone doesn't tells you 'don't do that' doesn't mean its allowed. Marrying a 3 year old girl is not aloud in Judaism. It does not occur at all because even though it is not mentioned it is still unable to be Halakhacly right under Jewish law.

What might have happend is an arranged marriage that two families agree on at an early age like at 3 and then whent he kids become adults the parents influence them by speaking so highly of the other child to consent.

Arraanged marriages do not happen in Judaism much anymore though.

Perhaps at a certain time people were mature enough to marry earlier. The rabbis imposed their prohibition when they saw that this was no longer the case.

Earlier, is not 3 years old... Jews may have been set up for marriage but one can never be married until the women and man as adults consent. Therefore a three year Jewish girl could not be married.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Re: Under Judaism, girls can marry at age 3???

Talmud Kiddushin says that "it is forbidden for one to marry off his daughter until she is an adult and says 'this is the one I want to marry.'"

What you fail to mention is that without the girls consent she cannot be married therefore, a three year old cannot be married because she is not an adult under Jewish law. In technical terms marry at age 3 is not allowed but it doesn't say you can't do that... yet it Halakha would not allow it. For example: Just because someone doesn't tells you 'don't do that' doesn't mean its allowed. Marrying a 3 year old girl is not aloud in Judaism. It does not occur at all because even though it is not mentioned it is still unable to be Halakhacly right under Jewish law.




Earlier, is not 3 years old... Jews may have been set up for marriage but one can never be married until the women and man as adults consent. Therefore a three year Jewish girl could not be married.

Then why is even mentioned?

 

[therebbe]

Re: Under Judaism, girls can marry at age 3???

Then why is even mentioned?

Even Ha'ezer is a compiled work of theories and descions on Jewish law, which also hold commentaries from others in the books. Discussions between Rabbinical authorities would occur on laws that are mentioned and what to do about laws that aren't and if the laws that are nto specified can be decided by looking into other laws similar that would have effects on the law not specified.

The final authority of Jewish law on this matter is:

Talmud Kiddushin says that "it is forbidden for one to marry off his daughter until she is an adult and says 'this is the one I want to marry.'"

 

[therebbe]

Re: Under Judaism, girls can marry at age 3???

You must remember that a Jew is considered an adult responsible to follow Jewish law at 13 for Males and 12 for Females.

 

[arabiyyah]

Re: Under Judaism, girls can marry at age 3???

You must remember that a Jew is considered an adult responsible to follow Jewish law at 13 for Males and 12 for Females.

Wow. sounds young to be an adult? are they ready to be responsible like that?

 

[north_malaysian]

Re: Under Judaism, girls can marry at age 3???

Wow. sounds young to be an adult? are they ready to be responsible like that?

Many Muslims believe that girls can attained their puberty age as early as 10... and can be married too..

 

[QuranStudy]

Talmud Kiddushin says that "it is forbidden for one to marry off his daughter until she is an adult and says 'this is the one I want to marry.'"

So a 3 year old girl is an adult?

What you fail to mention is that without the girls consent she cannot be married therefore, a three year old cannot be married because she is not an adult under Jewish law. In technical terms marry at age 3 is not allowed but it doesn't say you can't do that... yet it Halakha would not allow it. For example: Just because someone doesn't tells you 'don't do that' doesn't mean its allowed.

The daughter's consent is not required forthe kiddushin to take effect. The "husband" makes his transaction withthe father, and it is his consent which is required, even when the kiddushin is accomplished by sexual relations. (Shulchan Aruch, Even Haezer 37:1).

Marrying a 3 year old girl is not aloud in Judaism. It does not occur at all because even though it is not mentioned it is still unable to be Halakhacly right under Jewish law.

Although we do not follow this dictum, technically speaking, a girl can be betrothed the moment she is born, and married at the age of three (Shulchan Aruch, Even HaEzer 37:1). A boy can betroth and marry at the age of thirteen (Shulchan Aruch, Even HaEzer 43:1).

http://www.askmoses.com/article.html?h=573&o=2485

What might have happend is an arranged marriage that two families agree on at an early age like at 3 and then whent he kids become adults the parents influence them by speaking so highly of the other child to consent.

From what I understand, the girl can be engaged as soon as she is born, and is then married at age three to a much older man. Also, please differentiate between practice and law. The law says that the girl can be married at age three. But, as we all know the practice is different due to the impracticality.

Earlier, is not 3 years old... Jews may have been set up for marriage but one can never be married until the women and man as adults consent. Therefore a three year Jewish girl could not be married.

So technically are Arba'ah Turim laws impractical?? A boy can marry at 13, while a girl at three. They are not adults (according to today's standards).

You must remember that a Jew is considered an adult responsible to follow Jewish law at 13 for Males and 12 for Females.

Then how come a female can technically be married at 3? Is it not true that 3 year olds were wedded to Jewish priests as sacrificial marriages? Do you believe in the idea of regenerating virginity?

Also, you havent answered my question:

2.) How come boys can marry at MUCH older age (13)??

What is with the inequality?

 

[lavikor201]

So a 3 year old girl is an adult?

Can you please read the posts before making such an ignorant comment. A 3 year old girl is not an adult in Judaism.

The daughter's consent is not required forthe kiddushin to take effect. The "husband" makes his transaction withthe father, and it is his consent which is required, even when the kiddushin is accomplished by sexual relations. (Shulchan Aruch, Even Haezer 37:1).

Untrue. Under the Talmud, the women and mans consent are needed. Shulchan Aruch discusses this. In all cases, the Talmud specifies that a woman can be acquired only with her consent, and not without it (Kiddushin 2a-b).

From what I understand, the girl can be engaged as soon as she is born, and is then married at age three to a much older man. Also, please differentiate between practice and law. The law says that the girl can be married at age three. But, as we all know the practice is different due to the impracticality.

That is untrue. A Jewish girl becomes an adult at the age of 12 responsible for all the laws of the Torah. Therefore, it is against Jewish law for a girl to be married at age 3. A passage may not specifically assume this, but it is of course illegal under halacha because the girl at 3 is not an adult. Even though you could be married at age 12 for a girl and 13 for a man, it is not practiced.

So technically are Arba'ah Turim laws impractical?? A boy can marry at 13, while a girl at three. They are not adults (according to today's standards).

You continue to go by the theory that Jewish girls at 3 can be married. A false claim. Can I ask you for the website or book you are reading the Shulchan Aruch, Even HaEzer...

A Jewish girl who is 3's parents can arrange for two people to marry when she becomes an adult, but she must Consent when she becomes an adult. It is illegal for her not to.

Then how come a female can technically be married at 3? Is it not true that 3 year olds were wedded to Jewish priests as sacrificial marriages? Do you believe in the idea of regenerating virginity?

Please show me your source for that one... this ought to be good... lol.

What is with the inequality?

How unequal! A Jewish boy can be married at age 13, and a Jewish girl at age 12. Again I have told you when a female becomes an adult and please tell me where your source for Shulchan Aruch is.

All of your questions seem to be from the site "Awnsering Christianity" a site very useless when you want facts. If you want real info, how aout reading the Talmud instead of reading Jewish Hate websites where they mistranslate and take verses out fo context. Most of the verse on that website they use are compeltly mistranslated.


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Let me ask you... are you angry when someone mistraslates the Quran? Don't expect me to not be harsh if you bring mistranslated verses of Talmud into this.


Another thing to remember is that you cannot be married until you hit puberty also. You can be "arranged" before them which is kind of liek them

 

[QuranStudy]

Can you please read the posts before making such an ignorant comment. A 3 year old girl is not an adult in Judaism.

therebbe said that marriage is for adults. Jewish law states that a girl can get married as early as three years old. If a=b and b=c then a=c

Untrue. Under the Talmud, the women and mans consent are needed. Shulchan Aruch discusses this. In all cases, the Talmud specifies that a woman can be acquired only with her consent, and not without it (Kiddushin 2a-b).

A three year old can barely talk. How can she give her consent? Rabbi Meir said that a girl three years old may be betrothed through an act of sexual intercourse.

A Jewish girl who is 3's parents can arrange for two people to marry when she becomes an adult, but she must Consent when she becomes an adult. It is illegal for her not to.

But technically, she can get married at age three:

technically speaking, a girl can be betrothed the moment she is born, and married at the age of three (Shulchan Aruch, Even HaEzer 37:1).

http://www.askmoses.com/article.html?h=573&o=2485

Please show me your source for that one... this ought to be good... lol.

So a three year old marries an old priest out of love??

How unequal! A Jewish boy can be married at age 13, and a Jewish girl at age 12. Again I have told you when a female becomes an adult and please tell me where your source for Shulchan Aruch is.

13 is not equal to 3.

All of your questions seem to be from the site "Awnsering Christianity" a site very useless when you want facts. If you want real info, how aout reading the Talmud instead of reading Jewish Hate websites where they mistranslate and take verses out fo context. Most of the verse on that website they use are compeltly mistranslated.

You were the one who referred me to askmoses.com Even they agree that girls can get married at a minimum age of three. See here:

http://www.askmoses.com/article.html?h=573&o=2485

How many times do I need to quote Mr. Moses???

Also, if you can, please comment on one of the comments in the site, which directs to the very same argument you are making:

First you cite the Talmud as saying that a woman can't marry until she is an "adult" and can choose her husband, then you go on to say that she can be offered for marriage at birth and be married by 3 years old. You need to explain why you hold differently from the Talmud in this respect.

Let me ask you... are you angry when someone mistraslates the Quran? Don't expect me to not be harsh if you bring mistranslated verses of Talmud into this.

I asked because I learned this from a credible source. I did not get this from a site obsessed with defaming Judaism. You claimed I took stuff from answering-christianity.com. Why dont you show me what part of the site I copied??

Another thing to remember is that you cannot be married until you hit puberty also. You can be "arranged" before them which is kind of liek them

So age 3 is when a girl hits puberty, according to Shulchan Aruch, Even HaEzer 37:1 ???

 

[lavikor201]

But technically, she can get married at age three:

technically speaking, a girl can be betrothed the moment she is born, and married at the age of three (Shulchan Aruch, Even HaEzer 37:1).

Do you know what betrothed is???? Betrothed does not mean Married... A girl cannot get married until she is an adult and consents. If you are male and are betrothed with a girl, you cannot do anything but talk to her. In Judaism a male and female are not allowed alone together until marriage.

Not betrothed.

therebbe said that marriage is for adults. Jewish law states that a girl can get married as early as three years old. If a=b and b=c then a=c

Show me the Jewish law that states this please with the link to the source. Thank you. Or are your sources from Rabbinical discussion and not Halacha (Jewish Law) because there is a big difference.

So a three year old marries an old priest out of love??

Please tell me where a three year old marries a priest? Show me where this is said.

First you cite the Talmud as saying that a woman can't marry until she is an "adult" and can choose her husband, then you go on to say that she can be offered for marriage at birth and be married by 3 years old. You need to explain why you hold differently from the Talmud in this respect.

Show me where I said a girl can marry at 3... I said she can be set up, but will not be married until she is an adult and approves.



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The Talmud is the final source on this argument:

A woman can be acquired only when she is an adult with her consent, and not without it (Kiddushin 2a-b).

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[QuranStudy]

Do you know what betrothed is???? Betrothed does not mean Married... A girl cannot get married until she is an adult and consents. If you are male and are betrothed with a girl, you cannot do anything but talk to her. In Judaism a male and female are not allowed alone together until marriage.

Yes, I do know bethrothed means. If I read the quote correctly, the girl is bethrothed as soon as she is born , and can be married at the age of three.

"Bethrothed" is not "Marriage." Under Jewish law, the age of being bethothed and married are different.

Show me the Jewish law that states this please with the link to the source. Thank you. Or are your sources from Rabbinical discussion and not Halacha (Jewish Law) because there is a big difference.

You the Jewish source I posted is wrong???

http://www.askmoses.com/article.html?h=573&o=2485

The Rabbi (Moses) referred to Shulchan Aruch, Even HaEzer 37:1 to explain the minimum age of girls to be married. I would assume that such laws are under provision of holy scriptures. Correct me if I am wrong.

Please tell me where a three year old marries a priest? Show me where this is said.

So Jews disregard certain parts of their laws? Technically, a Jewish girl can get married at age three, according to the link. I would assume that someone actually followed this since obedient Jews follow Jewish laws.

Show me where I said a girl can marry at 3... I said she can be set up, but will not be married until she is an adult and approves.

You did not say, but technically it is possible according to Shulchan Aruch, Even HaEzer 37:1. I am not saying that Jews do this (they don't), but under Jewish law, it is legal. Shulchan Aruch of course is man made (if I'm not mistaken), so do you think it's "unwise?"