Questions about Judaism answered by a Jew!

[QuranStudy]

I understand it's a controversial topic, and it seems I've hurt some people. I apologise and request to forget I even posted this question.

Thanks.

 

[lavikor201]

So Jews disregard certain parts of their laws? Technically, a Jewish girl can get married at age three, according to the link. I would assume that someone actually followed this since obedient Jews follow Jewish laws.

Wrong. A jew would never go against talmud which commands for no women to marry till being an adult and giving consent, because of the interpretation of a rabbi. You have to understand that many of these scriptures of old rabbi's are just conversations and not hard law in stone. A lot of it are just recorded conversations taken down by a scribe.

 

[north_malaysian]

Can a Jew be Crypto-Jew like the Marranos and Donme?

 

[QuranStudy]

Problems with Genesis:

1: 26 -- Humans are God’s chosen species, hence they are allowed to plunder the planet as they see fit and to enslave and torment all other species.

1:28 -- This provides the source of the notion of conquering and subduing nature.

3:1-5 --Talking snake.

3:16 -- God inflicts child birth pain

4:8 -- Brother killing brother

7:23 -- God drowns every living thing on the planet.

9:25-37 -- Sons of Ham/Canaan = black people. Hence this justification for slavery and its legacy racism.

19:8 -- Lot offers virgin daughters to mob.

19:30-38 -- Daughters seduce their father.

21:14 -- Sending pregnant maid out of the house.

25:1-6 -- Keeping mistresses is not adultery.

29-30 -- Surrogate motherhood

34:1-31 -- Brothers are riled when sister is defiled

35:22 -- Reuben sleeps with father's concubine

39:7-14 -- Woman tries to rape man

47:29 -- Joseph ordered to "feel-up" his father


Note: No quotes were taken from answering Christianity. I read the quotes myself and became quite curious.

 

[Muhammad]

Please be aware that this thread is for asking questions about Judaism, not debating their religion with them.

 

[QuranStudy]

Please be aware that this thread is for asking questions about Judaism, not debating their religion with them.

I posted these quotes for an explanation.

 

[lavikor201]

Can a Jew be Crypto-Jew like the Marranos and Donme?

Depends. A Marrano is a Jew who was forced to convert to Christianity in Spain. It is part of the laws of Judaism that you must chose death over polytheism. Therefore if they secretly kept all Jewish laws afterwards then they are still Jewish but if they became Christian then they became a Polythiest.

Note: No quotes were taken from answering Christianity. I read the quotes myself and became quite curious.

So are you saying this site copied you? :giggling:

http://mindprod.com/religion/biblestudy.html

1: 26 -- Humans are God’s chosen species, hence they are allowed to plunder the planet as they see fit and to enslave and torment all other species.

First we should always look at the quote to find the meaning.

And G-d said: 'Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.'
(Genesis 1:26)
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This basically tells us that we have been given control over this planet. Humans have been given the right to use animals to survive. Now maybe a Vegan or Vegetarian would disagree, but I believe that G-d intends for us to eat the meat of an animal.

This does not mean that we have the right to hurt or abuse animals for no reason: Proverbs 12:10 states: 'A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast;'showing that G-d does indeed stress to treat animals fairly.

1:28 -- This provides the source of the notion of conquering and subduing nature.

Genesis 1:28 says this:

And G-d blessed them; and G-d said unto them: 'Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that creepeth upon the earth.'
Genesis 1:28

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Now this basically tells us that Hashem said to subdue the earth but also to replenish it. G-d does not tell us to destroy the earth and kill animals, but G-d tells us to be the dominant species which we are. Humans are the dominant species on this earth because of our intellect and physical capabilities.

3:1-5 --Talking snake.

Genesis 3:1 to 3:5 says:

Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD G-d had made. And he said unto the woman: 'Yea, hath G-d said: Ye shall not eat of any tree of the garden?' And the woman said unto the serpent: 'Of the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat; but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, G-d hath said: Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.' And the serpent said unto the woman: 'Ye shall not surely die; for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as G-d, knowing good and evil.'
Genesis (3:1 to 3:5)

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What exactly is your problem with this? That a snake speaks? Are you saying that animals do not have any form of communication that if learned humans could understand?

3:16 -- God inflicts child birth pain

4:8 -- Brother killing brother

I'd like to know what problems you have with this.

7:23 -- God drowns every living thing on the planet.

The world was an abomination, filled with sin. Therefore G-d basically decided to start over again and the saved the only righteous person left on earth.

And He blotted out every living substance which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and creeping thing, and fowl of the heaven; and they were blotted out from the earth; and Noah only was left, and they that were with him in the ark.
Genesis 7:23

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9:25-37 -- Sons of Ham/Canaan = black people. Hence this justification for slavery and its legacy racism.

What a terrible misconception created by people who hate Genesis.

The curse on Canaan had nothing to do with the origin of the black race as some have contended. Ham had three sons besides Canaan. Cush was the father of the Ethiopians, Mizraim of the Egyptians, Phut of the Libyans and the peoples of Africa (see Genesis chapter 10). The curse placed on Canaan has to do only with Canaanites, a people who manifested none of the racial characteristics of the black race. The skin texture of Israelites and Canaanites at the time of Joshua's invasion was probably very similar. The problem concerning the Canaanites was not in the color of their skin but rather in the condition of their hearts.

19:8 -- Lot offers virgin daughters to mob.

19:30-38 -- Daughters seduce their father.

21:14 -- Sending pregnant maid out of the house.

25:1-6 -- Keeping mistresses is not adultery.

29-30 -- Surrogate motherhood

34:1-31 -- Brothers are riled when sister is defiled

35:22 -- Reuben sleeps with father's concubine

39:7-14 -- Woman tries to rape man

47:29 -- Joseph ordered to "feel-up" his father

What exactly is you point? Did G-d order us to do these things? No. Are some of these stories lessons of what we should NOT do. Yes.

Can you explain why you copy and pasted parts of an anti-bibal website here that begins with the quote from a Lesbian on the front page????

http://mindprod.com/religion/biblestudy.html

Or did you really read all of those quotes and they happend to be the same as this website shows them?

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[QuranStudy]

So are you saying this site copied you?

http://mindprod.com/religion/biblestudy.html

I looked at the quotes myself, and they clearly indicate something suspicious.

Now, let's get to your posts:

This basically tells us that we have been given control over this planet. Humans have been given the right to use animals to survive. Now maybe a Vegan or Vegetarian would disagree, but I believe that G-d intends for us to eat the meat of an animal.

Why are you putting your own words into the verse?? Dominion is defined as "authority" or "dominance" which implies the right for humans to do whatever humans want with all other creatures, including torturing, exploiting etc. Of course, humans can eat animals, that particular verse does not imply "just eating."

Now this basically tells us that Hashem said to subdue the earth but also to replenish it. G-d does not tell us to destroy the earth and kill animals, but G-d tells us to be the dominant species which we are. Humans are the dominant species on this earth because of our intellect and physical capabilities.

So, you literally do agree with the interpretation from the link:

This provides the source of the notion of conquering and subduing nature.

All you did was provide an expanded explanation.

What exactly is your problem with this? That a snake speaks? Are you saying that animals do not have any form of communication that if learned humans could understand?

A religion should always be with agreement with science. Of course snakes can communicate. But it is unscientific for a snake to talk to a woman in the very same language she speaks. It is also impossible for a woman to understand and talk back to a snake. Do you believe in Harry Potter???

I'd like to know what problems you have with this.

1.) Pregnancy pains was inflicted by God as a punishment to FEMALES only. Apparently, women are not treated equally under the Torah. Adam and Eve should get the same punishment, but apparently God puts the punishment on Eve. Thus all women are inherently punished.

2.) Jews dont find nothing wrong with a man killing his brother??

The world was an abomination, filled with sin. Therefore G-d basically decided to start over again and the saved the only righteous person left on earth.

Again, this contradicts with science and archeological evidence. The whole world did not submerge under water. It's scientifically impossible.

What a terrible misconception created by people who hate Genesis.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_slav1.htm

Here are some famous historical quotes relating to Genesis and slavery:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_slav.htm

btw, Israelis are not black.

What exactly is you point? Did G-d order us to do these things? No. Are some of these stories lessons of what we should NOT do. Yes.

So you DO agree with the interpretation of the quotes??

And probably those quotes were meant to explain what humans should do. For instance in 29:30, the Genesis talks about surrogate motherhood. Is it not true Ismail was born through this procedure through Abraham and his concubine??

Can you explain why you copy and pasted parts of an anti-bibal website here that begins with the quote from a Lesbian on the front page????

http://mindprod.com/religion/biblestudy.html

Or did you really read all of those quotes and they happend to be the same as this website shows them?

I read from those quotes and picked the ones that disturbed me (after checking the actual verses). I too oppose homosexuality, but the personal life of the author should not be used to diminish her assertions.

 

[lavikor201]

You obviously have a lot of hate and misinformation. All of your sources are from websites that obviously hate the Bible. It is also apparent that you were completly lieing when saying "you were reading and found the quotes"

What you have told me is that:

• You must have scientific proof for everything... ..... yet there is no scientific proof for G-d... so do you not believe in G-d?

You say:

And probably those quotes were meant to explain what humans should do.

When obviously a story about a brother killing a brother and the punishment put on him does not tell jews to kill there brother. It tells them not to because you will face G-d's wrath.

Most of your arguments are from anti-bibal sites and I refuse to even justify the stupidity of them which are abhorently misquoted and mistranslated.

If your going to continue to post quotes from anti-bibal sites in this thread, then do your self a favor and do not come back to the thread. They are all lies, and pathetically wrong.

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Another question I have is that do you oppose humans being superior to animals?

 

[QuranStudy]

You obviously have a lot of hate and misinformation. All of your sources are from websites that obviously hate the Bible. It is also apparent that you were completly lieing when saying "you were reading and found the quotes"

uh-oh, my 'spider senses' are telling me that you think I'm anti-semite

You must have scientific proof for everything... ..... yet there is no scientific proof for G-d... so do you not believe in G-d?

I did not (or try not ) to imply anything as such. My point was that your explnations contradict established scientific facts.

Most of your arguments are from anti-bibal sites and I refuse to even justify the stupidity of them which are abhorently misquoted and mistranslated.

So, you wouldnt mind if I copied the exact same verses from a Jewish site?? If so, I can do that too to see the difference.

If your going to continue to post quotes from anti-bibal sites in this thread, then do your self a favor and do not come back to the thread. They are all lies, and pathetically wrong.

Okay, I do understand your concern. My source is indeed biased. I look foward to posting questions from credible Jewish sources next time.

I apologise.

 

[lavikor201]

uh-oh, my 'spider senses' are telling me that you think I'm anti-semite

No. I think your misguided.

I did not (or try not ) to imply anything as such. My point was that your explnations contradict established scientific facts.

Can you explain how a scientific fact is established. Like for example how has it been proven that the flood did not happen? It hasn't.

Scientists who study the past make estimates based on two major assumptions:



(a) The basic conditions of our planet have stayed the same;
(b) The history of our planet is directed by chance and the laws of nature; and

All the methods for dating old things, such as dinosaur bones work something like a clock. You say, “This is how fast we see this process happening. At this rate, it would take this object this long to get from its original state to the state I find it in now.” But let’s say your clock didn’t always tick at the same speed. Let’s say there were much more cosmic rays bombarding the planet at one time. All our carbon dating would be completely off.

If you think G-d does not have the power to effect the earth in that way then maybe you should retake a look at your faith.

 

[QuranStudy]

No. I think your misguided.

My "spider senses" are telling me otherwise

Can you explain how a scientific fact is established.

For instance, vegetation developes only under sunlight, a scientific fact that Genesis has contradiction with.

Like for example how has it been proven that the flood did not happen? It hasn't.

Sorry, but I didnt understand this. I was referring to the flood of Noah (pbuh) time.

All the methods for dating old things, such as dinosaur bones work something like a clock. You say, “This is how fast we see this process happening. At this rate, it would take this object this long to get from its original state to the state I find it in now.” But let’s say your clock didn’t always tick at the same speed. Let’s say there were much more cosmic rays bombarding the planet at one time. All our carbon dating would be completely off.

How did carbon rating even come into the discussion?? If I understand correctly, your hypothetical situation would defy the laws of physics.

If you think G-d does not have the power to effect the earth in that way then maybe you should retake a look at your faith.

Look, my point was that science + religion = truth.

Of course God can do anything. For instance, according to the Torah, God created light on earth before the source of light (sun). Of course it's possible (since God did it). But does it go in harmony with science? NO.

 

[lavikor201]

For instance, vegetation developes only under sunlight, a scientific fact that Genesis has contradiction with.

But, tell me. Do you believe G-d does not have the power to create vegetation without sunlight?

How did carbon rating even come into the discussion?? If I understand correctly, your hypothetical situation would defy the laws of physics.

We are speaking about how Science does not always have "definite" fact on anything. For all we know, there can be another power source under discovered that can help vegetation grow.

Of course God can do anything. For instance, according to the Torah, God created light on earth before the source of light (sun). Of course it's possible (since God did it). But does it go in harmony with science? NO.

So I guess you have a choice to make then. I believe science is irrelevant to the power of G-d. Do you?

• Do you believe in Heaven?
• Do you believe in Hell?
• Do you believe in the Soul?
• Do you believe in G-d?
• Do any of these things go in "harmony" with science?

Does this quote go in harmony with science:

35:11And Allah did create you from dust; then from a sperm-drop; then He made you in pairs. And no female conceives, or lays down (her load), but with His knowledge. Nor is a man long-lived granted length of days, nor is a part cut off from his life, but is in a Decree (ordained). All this is easy to Allah.

WaAllahu
khalaqakum min turabinthumma min nutfatin thumma jaAAalakum azwajan wamatahmilu min ontha wala tadaAAu illabiAAilmihi wama yuAAammaru min muAAammarin walayunqasu min AAumurihi illa fee kitabin inna thalikaAAala Allahi yaseerun

No it is faith!!!!!

All this is easy to Allah.

Your religion teaches you that G-d does not need to work with science. All is easy to G-d.

 

[QuranStudy]

But, tell me. Do you believe G-d does not have the power to create vegetation without sunlight?

Of course He does. But it's not scientific.

We are speaking about how Science does not always have "definite" fact on anything. For all we know, there can be another power source under discovered that can help vegetation grow.

True. That is why it's best to discuss based on established facts. Not theories.

So I guess you have a choice to make then. I believe science is irrelevant to the power of G-d. Do you?

* Do you believe in Heaven?
* Do you believe in Hell?
* Do you believe in the Soul?
* Do you believe in G-d?
* Do any of these things go in "harmony" with science?

Yes to first 4. To #5, science has not advanced enough to prove or disprove anyone those. Hence we have faith.

35:11And Allah did create you from dust; then from a sperm-drop; then He made you in pairs. And no female conceives, or lays down (her load), but with His knowledge. Nor is a man long-lived granted length of days, nor is a part cut off from his life, but is in a Decree (ordained). All this is easy to Allah.

WaAllahu
khalaqakum min turabinthumma min nutfatin thumma jaAAalakum azwajan wamatahmilu min ontha wala tadaAAu illabiAAilmihi wama yuAAammaru min muAAammarin walayunqasu min AAumurihi illa fee kitabin inna thalikaAAala Allahi yaseerun

The Quran says humans beings are created from semen.

The quote you posted from the Holy Quran refers to the CREATION OF ADAM (pbuh). There are various verses from the Quran that reaffirm this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_(prophet_of_Islam)#Adam_in_the_Qur.27an

The similitude of Jesus before God is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was. (3:59)

I believe you have misinterpreted the verse.

Your religion teaches you that G-d does not need to work with science. All is easy to G-d

Any religion should come into agreement of facts of our time. You cannot say "Christianity is true" while at the same time reject the idea of unicorns and a flat earth.

However, I do understand and respect your point. God has the ability to do anything, including actions that defy science.

 

[Curious girl2]

You cannot say "Christianity is true" while at the same time reject the idea of unicorns and a flat earth.

A quick question for you, where in the Bible have you seen references to unicorns? I might be wrong but I cant remember any verses that refer to such a mythical beast. I just wondered where you had seen it as you have stated that unicorns are mentioned in the Bible on several occasions.

Peace
CG

 

[QuranStudy]

Numbers 23:22 KJV:

God brought them out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn.

Numbers 24:8 KJV:

God brought him forth out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn: he shall eat up the nations his enemies, and shall break their bones, and pierce [them] through with his arrows.

Job 39:9-10 KJV:

9: Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?

10: Canst thou bind the unicorn with his band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee?

Psalms 29:5-6 KJV

5: The voice of the LORD breaketh the cedars; yea, the LORD breaketh the cedars of Lebanon.

6: He maketh them also to skip like a calf; Lebanon and Sirion like a young unicorn.

Psalms 92:10 KJV:

But my horn shalt thou exalt like [the horn of] an unicorn: I shall be anointed with fresh oil.

 

[QuranStudy]

^^ Hope those answer your question

Peace

 

[lavikor201]

Any religion should come into agreement of facts of our time. You cannot say "Christianity is true" while at the same time reject the idea of unicorns and a flat earth.

Oh really?

If you are refering to the four corners of the earth than you obviously do not understand what that means in Hebrew. To say 'four corners of the earth' in hebrew means to refer to coming from all sides. Anyone who knows Hebrew knows this.


How about apologizing for misquoting the holy scriptures...

Numbers 23:22 KJV:

God brought them out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn.

כב אֵל, מוֹצִיאָם מִמִּצְרָיִם--כְּתוֹעֲפֹת רְאֵם, לוֹ. 23:22 G-d who brought them forth out of Egypt is for them like the lofty horns of the wild-ox.

Numbers 24:8 KJV:

God brought him forth out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn: he shall eat up the nations his enemies, and shall break their bones, and pierce [them] through with his arrows.

ח אֵל מוֹצִיאוֹ מִמִּצְרַיִם, כְּתוֹעֲפֹת רְאֵם לוֹ; יֹאכַל גּוֹיִם צָרָיו, וְעַצְמֹתֵיהֶם יְגָרֵם--וְחִצָּיו יִמְחָץ. 24:8 G-d who brought him forth out of Egypt is for him like the lofty horns of the wild-ox; he shall eat up the nations that are his adversaries, and shall break their bones in pieces, and pierce them through with his arrows.

Job 39:9-10 KJV:

9: Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?

10: Canst thou bind the unicorn with his band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee?

ט הֲיֹאבֶה רֵּים עָבְדֶךָ; אִם-יָלִין, עַל-אֲבוּסֶךָ. 39:9 Will the wild-ox be willing to serve thee? Or will he abide by thy crib?
י הֲתִקְשָׁר-רֵים, בְּתֶלֶם עֲבֹתוֹ; אִם-יְשַׂדֵּד עֲמָקִים אַחֲרֶיךָ. 39:10 Canst thou bind the wild-ox with his band in the furrow? Or will he harrow the valleys after thee?

Psalms 29:5-6 KJV

5: The voice of the LORD breaketh the cedars; yea, the LORD breaketh the cedars of Lebanon.

6: He maketh them also to skip like a calf; Lebanon and Sirion like a young unicorn.

ט הֲיֹאבֶה רֵּים עָבְדֶךָ; אִם-יָלִין, עַל-אֲבוּסֶךָ. 29:9 Will the wild-ox be willing to serve thee? Or will he abide by thy crib?
י הֲתִקְשָׁר-רֵים, בְּתֶלֶם עֲבֹתוֹ; אִם-יְשַׂדֵּד עֲמָקִים אַחֲרֶיךָ. 29:10 Canst thou bind the wild-ox with his band in the furrow? Or will he harrow the valleys after thee?

Psalms 92:10 KJV:

But my horn shalt thou exalt like [the horn of] an unicorn: I shall be anointed with fresh oil.

92:10 For, lo, Thine enemies, O LORD, for, lo, Thine enemies shall perish: {N}
all the workers of iniquity shall be scattered.

י כִּי הִנֵּה אֹיְבֶיךָ, יְהוָה-- כִּי-הִנֵּה אֹיְבֶיךָ יֹאבֵדוּ:
יִתְפָּרְדוּ, כָּל-פֹּעֲלֵי אָוֶן.



יא וַתָּרֶם כִּרְאֵים קַרְנִי; בַּלֹּתִי, בְּשֶׁמֶן רַעֲנָן. 92:11 But my horn hast Thou exalted like the horn of the wild-ox; I am anointed with rich oil.

 

[QuranStudy]

If you are refering to the four corners of the earth than you obviously do not understand what that means in Hebrew. To say 'four corners of the earth' in hebrew means to refer to coming from all sides. Anyone who knows Hebrew knows this.

There are other quotes from the Bible that imply that the earth is flat, withouth even mentioning "four corners."

How about apologizing for misquoting the holy scriptures...

Let's see:

Numbers 23:22 God brought them out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn.

http://www.kingjamesversionofthebible.com/4-numbers.html

Numbers 24:8 God brought him forth out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn: he shall eat up the nations his enemies, and shall break their bones, and pierce them through with his arrows.

http://www.kingjamesversionofthebible.com/4-numbers.html

Job 39:9 Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?

http://www.kingjamesversionofthebible.com/18-job.html

Psalms 29:5 The voice of the LORD breaketh the cedars; yea, the LORD breaketh the cedars of Lebanon.

Psalms 29:6 He maketh them also to skip like a calf; Lebanon and Sirion like a young unicorn.

http://www.kingjamesversionofthebible.com/19-psalms.html

Psalms 92:10 But my horn shalt thou exalt like the horn of an unicorn: I shall be anointed with fresh oil.

http://www.kingjamesversionofthebible.com/19-psalms.html


How about you apologizing for accusing me of intellectual laziness?

 

[Curious girl2]

Numbers 23:22 KJV:

God brought them out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn.

It seems to depend on the which version of the bible you are taking the verse from. In the American Standard Version the verse states:

"ASV: God bringeth them forth out of Egypt; He hath as it were the strength of the wild-ox."

There are several other versions that state similar *strong* beasts such as buffalo and mountain ox. The context that I understand is that it is trying to describe someone of great strength. Mythically, unicorns had great strength, so do ox's and buffalo's.

Numbers 24:8 KJV:

God brought him forth out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn: he shall eat up the nations his enemies, and shall break their bones, and pierce [them] through with his arrows.

Again, different versions, translations of the bible state different beasts such as Wild Ox. Youngs Literal Translations states:

" God is bringing him out of Egypt; As the swiftness of a Reem is to him, He eateth up nations his adversaries, And their bones he breaketh, And 'with' his arrows he smiteth,"

Job 39:9-10 KJV:

9: Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?

10: Canst thou bind the unicorn with his band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee?

The ASV states:

Will the wild-ox be content to serve thee? Or will he abide by thy crib?

Again it depends on which version you chose to quote.

Psalms 29:5-6 KJV

5: The voice of the LORD breaketh the cedars; yea, the LORD breaketh the cedars of Lebanon.

6: He maketh them also to skip like a calf; Lebanon and Sirion like a young unicorn.

In the ASV it states:

"He maketh them also to skip like a calf; Lebanon and Sirion like a young wild-ox."

The YLT states:

"And He causeth them to skip as a calf, Lebanon and Sirion as a son of Reems,"

As you can see, Unicorn, calf, buffalo, and ox are used as metafor's

Psalms 92:10 KJV:

But my horn shalt thou exalt like [the horn of] an unicorn: I shall be anointed with fresh oil.

Same with this verse too. Depending on the version you read you get Ox, unicorn, buffalo.

My point is, in these versions, the Unicorn (or for that matter Ox or buffalo) is used as a metafor. None of them actually state that the unicorn existed. Are metafor's used in the Qu'ran?

Peace
CG