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I got a question....
I heard that the jews dont invite others to their religion. Why is this so?
and also...

The Jewish people were chosen to follow the 613 laws of the Torah, this is why we are "chosen". We have the huge responsiblity to follow these laws. The non-Jews of the world "gentiles" or "goyam" do not need to follow these laws. The "Seven laws of Noah" are the laws prescribed for them to follow. If a non-Jew is a good person, follows these laws, and does not disrupt Jews from following the huge amount of laws they must follow, then this non-Jew will have a place in the world to come.

Judaism does not preach "eternal hell fire" to scare people into joining our faith, nor do we make it easy to convert (I converted and it took about a year, and I was told I was not ready the first time!) Conversion takes about a year and the Rabbi's make sure you really want to undertake all the Torah because in reality you do not need to, and once you convert you cannot go back to following just the seven laws, because your a full Jew.

Therefore, we do not invite or preach our religion, and many times potential converts are rejected numerous times before proving themselves to be 100% genuine wanting to convert.

What is ur God's name?

I cannot say G-d's name here. I will not write it. We write "G-d", out of respect so if this website were to go down the name of G-d would not be erased. Another term used to refer to G-d is "Hashem". Hashem in hebrew means "the name", and when talking about G-d at anytime outside prayer, or Torah/Talmud study, it is proper to not refer to his name and instead say "Hashem".
 
גויים לא צריכים להפוך


Gentiles should not convert to Judaism unless they are absolutely sure that is the path they wish to take.
"When one of the Children of Noah (non-Jews) engages in the study of the Seven Universal Laws, he is able to attain a spiritual level as high as the High Priest of the Jews, who alone has the sanctity to enter the Holy of Holies in the Temple in Jerusalem."
(Talmud, Baba Kamma 38a)
In no way should any good Jew ever be preaching Judaism to the goyam. The goyam have a purpose in life and can attain a place in heaven with the Jews.

Read more about the seven laws and other things about the role of non-Jews:

http://www.moshiach.com/action/morality/seven_laws.php
 
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Salaam/peace;


....What is ur God's name?

---this question may create confusion as God is only one. It's not like that gods are many & one is for Muslims , other is for Jews etc.

I think , it's better to ask : what's the Hebrew word for God as Allah is the Arabic word of God Almighty.

sorry ....i did not write it to offend u ...may be , my question is not rightly written ...so other can edit :)
 
Salaam/peace;




---this question may create confusion as God is only one. It's not like that gods are many & one is for Muslims , other is for Jews etc.

I think , it's better to ask : what's the Hebrew word for God as Allah is the Arabic word of God Almighty.

sorry ....i did not write it to offend u ...may be , my question is not rightly written ...so other can edit :)

Good to point this out.
 
Assalamu 'alaykum,

A`udhu Billahi mina Shaytanir Rajeem,

Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem

Shalom rav,

are there any non-biased, independant sources outside Judeism that can confirm that Moses received the Torah directly from G-d?

are there any non-biased, independant sources outside Judeism that can confirm that Moses ever even lived?

are there any non-biased, independant sources outside Judeism that can confirm that 10 commandments ever existed before the Bablylonian exile?

are there any non-biased, independant sources outside Judeism that can confirm that Torah existed before the Bablylonian exile?

are there any non-biased, independant sources outside Judeism that can confirm that Moses delivered an oral Torah along with the written one?

Peace,

:w:

Yusuf
 
15. The statutory punishment for transgressing any one of the Seven Laws of Noah is capital punishment. According to some, punishment is the same whether one transgresses with knowledge of the law or is ignorant of the law. According to others, a transgressor of the Noahide Law who is ignorant of the law receives the death penalty only in the case of murder.

16. If the courts cannot punish an individual for lack of witnesses or any other reason (see the chapter on Courts of Law), the transgressor will be punished by Divine Decree.


What does the last part mean?
 
hola IzakHalevas,

i do not know if you read my earlier question to rav but i would like to invite you to provide your insights if you have any... the wikipedia entry for St. Peter says he is important to Jewish people for reasons i do not understand... have you heard anything about this? Rav has not...

muchos gracias
 
Oh yes. There is a chain of Rabbi's that one taught the other ect that leads all the way to the greatest prophet Moshe.

Are there reliable dates for the death of each and how is it verified that it is true, also who was the compiler of these names?

"And there was no other prophet who arose in Israel like Moses, whom the L-rd knew face to face, as manifested by all the signs and wonders, which the L-rd had sent him to perform in the land of Egypt, to Pharaoh and all his servants, and to all his land"
Deuteronomy (34:10, & 34:11)

וְלֹא-קָם נָבִיא עוֹד בְּיִשְׂרָאֵל, כְּמֹשֶׁה, אֲשֶׁר יְדָעוֹ הי, פָּנִים אֶל-פָּנִים לְכָל-הָאֹתֹת וְהַמּוֹפְתִים, אֲשֶׁר שְׁלָחוֹ הי, לַעֲשׂוֹת, בְּאֶרֶץ מִצְרָיִם--לְפַרְעֹה וּלְכָל-עֲבָדָיו, וּלְכָל-אַרְצוֹ

If you wish I can give you the commentary on this verse by Rashi and some others that I have here on my bookshelf.


I am very happy I have got something from a Jew, so at least I aint relying on other sources. Though it does bring forth a question for me, the tense given. Even you later said:

Basically, this verse states that Joshua nor any other prophet in all of Am Yisroel (the nation of israel) would rise up and equal Moshe after his death. Moshe was the greatest prophet of all time, and the Torah ends on the fact that Joshua nor anyone else who would arise to take Moshe's place after he dies, will be as great as Moshe was.

The verse says, 'And there WAS no other...' speaking as if the author, whom you believe is Almighty G-d, is looking back, like me remenissing on an old childhood friend saying 'there WAS noone who has ever come close to being a good friend like Daniel' where as you seem to yourself realise that this should be 'would' rise, i.e. 'there would not rise any..' if this was to be a word spoken at the time of Moses' inspiration.

I hope you do not find this rude, I am just wondering if you can see my view at the moment and if you have yourself asked about it and know an answer as such.

I have further questions but I feel they will only cause confusion so for now I shall stick with these until the time of moving on without confusion arises.

Regards, Eesa

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I cannot speak for the New Testament because I believe it is not valid, but what you are saying makes no sense. There are no "typos". There is a Hebrew Tanakh and an English translations that has man versions because of the enormous difficulty translating Hebrew to English.

Can you quote

2 Kings 24:8

And

2 Chronicles 36:9

Please, Eesa
 
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are there any non-biased, independant sources outside Judeism that can confirm that Moses received the Torah directly from G-d?

are there any non-biased, independant sources outside Judeism that can confirm that Moses ever even lived?

are there any non-biased, independant sources outside Judeism that can confirm that 10 commandments ever existed before the Bablylonian exile?

are there any non-biased, independant sources outside Judeism that can confirm that Torah existed before the Bablylonian exile?

are there any non-biased, independant sources outside Judeism that can confirm that Moses delivered an oral Torah along with the written one?

3 Million witnesses who passed it on to their children and then to their children. If you do not take in account witnesses then you basically believe that every icident where a witness was, could have been forged before videos ect.

i do not know if you read my earlier question to rav but i would like to invite you to provide your insights if you have any... the wikipedia entry for St. Peter says he is important to Jewish people for reasons i do not understand... have you heard anything about this? Rav has not...

I still do not, sorry.
 
3 Million witnesses who passed it on to their children and then to their children. If you do not take in account witnesses then you basically believe that every icident where a witness was, could have been forged before videos ect.

Well the fact that 3 Million people witnessed it has only come from one source, if it hasnt then please provide other sources which show that.

Furthermore where does the number 3 Million come from?
 
Are there reliable dates for the death of each and how is it verified that it is true, also who was the compiler of these names?

The majority (almost all) wrote commentaries on the scriptures.

The verse says, 'And there WAS no other...' speaking as if the author, whom you believe is Almighty G-d, is looking back, like me remenissing on an old childhood friend saying 'there WAS noone who has ever come close to being a good friend like Daniel' where as you seem to yourself realise that this should be 'would' rise, i.e. 'there would not rise any..' if this was to be a word spoken at the time of Moses' inspiration.

I hope you do not find this rude, I am just wondering if you can see my view at the moment and if you have yourself asked about it and know an answer as such.

I have further questions but I feel they will only cause confusion so for now I shall stick with these until the time of moving on without confusion arises.

It is pretty simple. Moshe died, and there was no other prophet like him who arose. Joshua could not compare to Moshe. It may perplex you, but it really makes sense if you understand the Hebrew which I provided you with.

Can you quote

2 Kings 24:8

And

2 Chronicles 36:9

Please, Eesa

Sure.

Here are the modern day biblical translations of this:

Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he became king, and he reigned three months in Jerusalem, and his mother's name was Nehushta the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem.
(2 Kings 24:8)

Jehoiachin was eight years old when he became king, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem, and he did that which was evil in the eyes of the L-rd.
(2 Chronicles 36:9)

So is this a contradiction? Not at all. I remember the Gemora says somewhere something like this I believe: Saying he was 8 years old means it was the eighth year of Nebuchadnezzar's rule which it was, it is a figure of speech used sometimes in Hebrew unable to be translated correctly into English since the languages are so different.

One example:

Imagine if a book translated from English to Hebrew said: “It is raining cats and dogs”. What would the Hebrew speakers say? They do not know of such a saying, since it is non-existent in Hebrew.

יורד גשם חתולים וכלבים

The above means “it is raining cats and dogs”

A native English speaker would say “oh, it was raining heavily”.

An Israeli would say the story meant to say it was literally raining animals, if you get the point I am trying to make.


An alternative explanantion stated somewhere was: It is quite possible that Jehoiakim actually put his son, Jehoiachin, on the throne at the beginning of his reign because he realized that his throne was not stable and was dependent on other, stronger than he was, foreign rulers. Thus, even though Jehoiachin did not exercise any royal authority while his father, Jehoiakim, was alive, it is considered of him as if he was the king.

Nebuchadnezzar became king in the 4th year of Jehoiakim, who reigned for 11 years. Thus, Nebuchadnezzar was in the 8th year of his reign when Jehoiachin ascended to the throne.

Well the fact that 3 Million people witnessed it has only come from one source, if it hasnt then please provide other sources which show that.

Furthermore where does the number 3 Million come from?

Well who else other than the Jews were there that day? Were there outside sources other than Islam which told of that ride of your prophet on that winged animal?

Only the towns people of certain cities said the nazi's bombed them and the residents were the only witneses. How do we know they were not all conspiring? Do you think 3 million could do that?

We rely on the veracity of those reports based on the consistency of those reports throughout the world.

Perhaps one group may have been duped by charlatans, believing this "fairy tale of Sinai". But the story is universal, spread out among peoples living in every corner of the Earth, and consistent with each other. Jews living in Ethiopia for thousands of years, and the Jews of Yemen, separated from the main body of Jews for over 2500 years, have remarkably preserved the Torah intact during the millennia of dispersion. Their reports are entirely consistent with those of Jews everywhere else.

The number comes from the counting of 600,000 males, and since there were about as many women, and even more children 3 million was the estimate of the number.
 
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3 Million witnesses who passed it on to their children and then to their children. If you do not take in account witnesses then you basically believe that every icident where a witness was, could have been forged before videos ect.
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Assalamu 'alaykum,

A`udhu Billahi mina Shaytanir Rajeem,

Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem


Shalom,

are there any non-biased, independant sources outside the Torah and Judeism that can confirm that 3 million people witnessed all that?

is there any documentation of their testimony?

if so, can you provide us with it?

how do you arrive at the number 3 million?

i'm assuming the Torah and Talmud is your source for this info, is that true?

is there ANY evidence, outside of the Torah and Talmud whatsoever that the Torah was in existance before the Babylonian exile?

Perhaps one group may have been duped by charlatans, believing this "fairy tale of Sinai". But the story is universal, spread out among peoples living in every corner of the Earth, and consistent with each other. Jews living in Ethiopia for thousands of years, and the Jews of Yemen, separated from the main body of Jews for over 2500 years, have remarkably preserved the Torah intact during the millennia of dispersion. Their reports are entirely consistent with those of Jews everywhere else.

i don't believe it's a fairy tale at all. i'm just trying to be as consistant for source material as some of our Jewish brethren seem to be for information on incidents in Islam. we actually HAVE ahadeeth that are documented accounts of eye witnesses. BUT, apparently that isn't quite good enough for some, so why don't we determine a consistant standard and try to apply it all around?

sound fair?

Peace,

:w:

Yusuf
 
don't believe it's a fairy tale at all. i'm just trying to be as consistant for source material as some of our Jewish brethren seem to be for information on incidents in Islam. we actually HAVE ahadeeth that are documented accounts of eye witnesses. BUT, apparently that isn't quite good enough for some, so why don't we determine a consistant standard and try to apply it all around?

Were any hadiths written by non-muslims? And were they not first oral traditions and then written down much later?

Are there reliable dates for the death of each and how is it verified that it is true, also who was the compiler of these names?

They all were in contact with the two members on both sides of the chain proven, and their lives birth places, death places ect are recorded and it is certain that this chain existed unless you suggest one of our great Rabbi's changed or lied which you have no basis for saying.
 
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are there any non-biased, independant sources outside the Torah and Judeism that can confirm that 3 million people witnessed all that?

No, because no one else was there other than the 3 million witnesses who you say do not count. There were no reporters at the scene, no cameras. Just witnesses, like most of history which is told from witness stand point.

is there any documentation of their testimony?

It was told to their kids and then to their kids and so on. Not what you would call documentation.

Let's pretend you're G-d and you want to transmit a religion to a people. You have two choices: You can either give it to a messenger to give to the people, or you can give it to the entire people directly. Which is the better choice?

The answer is found in this poignant story about an Indian chief:
One day the Indian chief dies, leaving three sons and no will. No one knows who's supposed to become the new chief and all the sons want the position.
The first son says, "I should be the new chief, because I'm the oldest." The second one says, "I'm the strongest warrior, so I should be the new chief." The third son says, " I'm the best choice because I'm the smartest."

There's a lot of campaigning going on and more than a few internal battles, until one day, the second son comes running into the camp, shouting, "Stop! I have the answer! I know who should be the new chief."

Everybody says, "What happened? How do you know?"

"Last night," the second son says, "my father came to me in a dream and told me I'm the new chief!"

Everybody starts dancing and celebrating and congratulating the second son. Until one old man raises his hand calmly and says, "Why should you be believed? If your father really wanted us to accept you as the new chief, he wouldn't have come to you in a dream - he would have come to us."
This story illustrates a crucial concept: If you want a revelation to be accepted by everyone, it's obvious that you would come to all the people, rather than to one person. That's clearly the most effective way to avoid any doubt. Why? Because I can make up stories about myself - and if you like me or trust me, you could choose to believe me. But if I make up a story and say it happened to you, then there's no way you'll believe me unless it really happened.

It's obvious that you can't get away with a lie on the basis of someone else's experience.

So if you're going to start a religion and you want to make sure everyone's going to accept it, the intelligent choice is to tell everyone, not just one person.

If it is true, then everyone in the national group will know it at the deepest level of knowledge, since everybody in the group was actually there. There will obviously be no need to present any additional evidence to anyone of that generation.

Also, the next generation will know that the event occurred, both because their own parents who were direct eyewitnesses told them, and because everyone else in the nation is either a direct eyewitness or the offspring of a direct eyewitness.
What if a large section of the nation were somehow duped - and were convinced to the extent that they actually passed on the lie to their children as if it was their own personal experience? This would not yield a believable, communicable, verifiable national truth, because the next generation would find many amongst them who either denied the universal character of the national claim or were never told about it by their parents.


Of the 15,000 known religions in recorded human history, how many stake the foundation of their belief on the idea that G-d spoke to their entire nation?

One. Judaism.

Isn't that strange? If a national revelation is the best way to go, why has no other nation ever tried it?

The answer is that this is one lie you can never get away with.

Let's take George Washington as an example. The fact that George "chopped down the cherry tree" is legend - it may or may not be true, but we'll never know. Though the fact that George Washington was the first president of the United States is verifiable historical fact. Why? Because there were many eyewitnesses.

Now let's apply this to religion.

If someone claims "G-d spoke to me," then other people have a choice to believe the claim or not. Some people will choose to believe the claim - and from there could start a whole new religion.

But if someone claims that "G-d spoke to all of you," he'll never get away with that if it didn't really happen. Because if an event never happened to someone, you surely cannot convince him that it happened to him!
And that's exactly why no other religion in history has ever made the claim of national revelation.

The point is not to denigrate other religions; the point is merely to strengthen our belief in Judaism. So it's worthwhile to investigate just how many people claimed to see Jesus rise from the dead (about a dozen), or how many people accompanied Joseph Smith when he received the Book of Mormon (none).

Let's consider the possibility that the idea of national revelation wasn't started at the time of Sinai, but at a later point in history, as some Bible critics have claimed. Let's say the Torah was written by Ezra, for example, 1,000 years after the Sinai experience was said to have occurred.
Here's the scene: It's the year 400 BCE. A Jewish leader by the name of Ezra goes down to his basement and writes the Torah, including all the parts about national revelation.

One day, he walks into the synagogue. "Ezra, where have you been?" the people say. "We haven't seen you for a while."

"I've been in my basement, working on some projects..."

"What are you holding there? What is that?"

"It's a Torah."

"What's Torah? We never heard of that before."

"Oh, the Torah is terrific. A best-seller. It's law, history, stories. Take a look, you'll love it."

"Tell us, Ezra," they say, leading to the big question. "This wonderful book - where'd you get it?"

"Where'd I get it?! It says right here in the book: 'A thousand years ago, the entire Jewish nation stood at Mount Sinai and heard G-d speak to them.'"
The people look at Ezra and say, "That's a very strange story. Why haven't we heard of this before?"

"Well, of course, it was a long time ago."

"Well, wouldn't someone have at least mentioned it over the years? Maybe Grandpa or Great-Grandpa? Wouldn't a story as momentous as this have gotten passed down?"

"Well... umm... people forget things, you know."

" G-d spoke to three million people and everybody forgot about it?!"

"Yah, I guess that's what happened."

One problem. The Torah itself clearly states in Deuteronomy, 31:21 - "This song shall testify for them like a witness, because lo yamushu mipicha - it will never be forgotten by the mouths of their descendants."

So they look at Ezra and say, "Come on now. This sounds like a Jackie Mason routine. 'Where'd you get the Torah from?' 'We got it at Sinai a thousand years ago.' 'How come we don't know about it?' 'You forgot about it.' 'What does it say in the Torah?' 'You'll never forget it!'"
At no time in Jewish history would it have been possible to perpetrate a fabrication. It's obvious that the Author put this verse in to preempt such a supposition.


There is a very powerful verse in the Torah (Deuteronomy 4:32-33):
"You might inquire about times long past, from the day that G-d created man on earth, [exploring] one end of heaven to the other. Has there ever been anything like this great thing or has anything like it been heard? Has a people ever heard the voice of G-d speaking from the midst of the fires as you have heard, and survived?"
The Torah goes out on a limb and declares that nobody else will ever even attempt such a claim of national revelation! How could the author know such a thing?!

how do you arrive at the number 3 million?

Three million is a rough estimation, taking into account the 600,000 males between the ages of 20 and 60 in addition to the other age groups + women and children, (with an average age span of +/- 120 years).
 
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Assalamu 'alaykum,

A`udhu Billahi mina Shaytanir Rajeem,

Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem

Shalom,


i'm not sure i read the same way as you do...

" G-d spoke to three million people and everybody forgot about it?!"

let's take a look:

Exodus, Chapt. 20

14 And all the people perceived the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the voice of the horn, and the mountain smoking; and when the people saw it, they trembled, and stood afar off.

15 And they said unto Moses: 'Speak thou with us, and we will hear; but let not G-d speak with us, lest we die.'

hmmph, so they heard the ten commandments but then adjourned...

later...Capter 24:

3 And Moses came and told the people all the words of the L-RD, and all the ordinances; and all the people answered with one voice, and said: 'All the words which the L-RD hath spoken will we do.'

looks like we've narrowed it down from 3 MILLION witness to the Torah, to about...

ONE!!


but at least we have his name!

Peace,

:w:

Yusuf
 
Just wondering, are their any deviant Jews who do not actually believe in paradise/hell and see it more as a metaphoric thing?
 
Assalamu 'alaykum,

A`udhu Billahi mina Shaytanir Rajeem,

Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem

Shalom,


i'm not sure i read the same way as you do...



let's take a look:

Exodus, Chapt. 20

14 And all the people perceived the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the voice of the horn, and the mountain smoking; and when the people saw it, they trembled, and stood afar off.

15 And they said unto Moses: 'Speak thou with us, and we will hear; but let not G-d speak with us, lest we die.'

hmmph, so they heard the ten commandments but then adjourned...

later...Capter 24:

3 And Moses came and told the people all the words of the L-RD, and all the ordinances; and all the people answered with one voice, and said: 'All the words which the L-RD hath spoken will we do.'

looks like we've narrowed it down from 3 MILLION witness to the Torah, to about...

ONE!!

but at least we have his name!

Peace,

:w:

Yusuf



I disagree, and I expected you to show a better understanding of the Torah to tell you the truth:
G-d spoke all these words, to respond:
(Exodus 20:1)
'You might inquire about times long past, from the day that G-d created man on earth, and from one end of heaven to the other: Has there ever been anything like this great thing or has anything like it been heard? Has a people ever heard the voice of G-d speaking from the midst of the fires as you have heard and survived?'
(Deut. 4:32-33)

The L-rd spoke these words to your entire assembly at the mountain out of the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the opaque darkness, with a great voice, which did not cease. And He inscribed them on two stone tablets and gave them to me.(Deut 5:19)

And the entire Mount Sinai smoked because the L-rd had descended upon it in fire, and its smoke ascended like the smoke of the kiln, and the entire mountain quaked violently.
(Exodus 19:18)

Rashi:
the entire Mount Sinai smoked Heb. עָשַׁן. This word עָשַׁן is not a noun, because the “shin” is vowelized with a “pattach.” But [it is] the past tense of a [singular] verb in the form פָּעַל, like אָמַר, said, שָׁמַר, watched, שָׁמַע, heard. Therefore, its targum is ךְתָּנַן כּוֹלֵית, and [Onkelos] did not translate ךְתְּנָנָא [which would mean: was all smoke]. All [instances of] עָשָׁן in Scriptures are vowelized with a “kamatz” because they are nouns.

the kiln [used for the baking] of lime. I could think that it means [Mount Sinai smoked] like the kiln and no more. Therefore, [to clarify this,] Scripture states: “[the mountain was] blazing with fire up to the heart of the heaven” (Deut. 4:11) [meaning that the fire was far greater than in a lime kiln]. Why then does the Torah say "kiln"? In order to explain to the [human] ear what it is able to hear, [i.e., to give the reader a picture that can be imagined]. He gives the creatures [humans] a sign familiar to them. Similar to this [is the description in reference to G-d:] “He shall roar like a lion” (Hos. 11:10). Who but Him gave strength to the lion? Yet the Scriptures compare Him to a lion? But we describe Him and compare Him to His creatures in order to explain to [humans] what the ear is able to hear. Similar to this [is], “And its sound [the voice of G-d] was like the sound of abundant waters” (Ezek. 43:2). Now who gave the water a sound but He? Yet you describe Him and compare Him to His creatures in order to explain to [humans] what the ear is able to hear. — [from Mechilta]
20. And it was, when you heard the voice from the midst of the darkness, and the mountain was burning with fire, that you approached me, all the heads of your tribes and your elders.
21. And you said, "Behold, the L-rd, our G-d, has shown us His glory and His greatness, and we heard His voice from the midst of the fire; we saw this day that G-d speaks with man, yet [man] remains alive.
22. So now, why should we die? For this great fire will consume us; if we continue to hear the voice of the L-rd, our G-d, anymore, we will die.
23. For who is there of all flesh, who heard the voice of the living G-d speaking from the midst of the fire, as we have, and lived?
24. You approach, and hear all that the L-rd, our G-d, will say, and you speak to us all that the L-rd, our G-d, will speak to you, and we will hear and do.
25. And the L-rd heard the sound of your words when you spoke to me, and the L-rd said to me, "I have heard the sound of the words of this people that they have spoken to you; they have done well in all that they have spoken.
(Deuteronomy 5:20-25)
It is pretty obvious that G-d did make him self known and his voice was heard by the 3 million.
 
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Just wondering, are their any deviant Jews who do not actually believe in paradise/hell and see it more as a metaphoric thing?

Not sure but they certainly do not abide by Jewish law, or scripture.

What Judaism says about cloning animals, plants (human not included)


An opinion on this:

The Ethics of Cloning

Daniel Eisenberg, M.D.

Several years ago, a “new” animal was discovered in Australia that appeared to be a “kosher” pig. While the animal was previously unknown, the rules governing its status as kosher or treif are as old as the Torah. After much debate, a decision was rendered that it was indeed non-kosher. Today, cloning presents us with our own “new creation,” a baby with no “parents”. While the world stretches its concepts of morality and ethics to encompass this new reality, the Jewish world also endeavors to decide if human cloning is permitted.

There is no clear consensus yet in Jewish law regarding cloning. Since the technology to clone people is not yet a reality, the issue is an academic one, not a practical one. For this reason Jewish law, which relies strongly upon precedent (much like secular law), has no actual cases that have been decided. Scholarly analyses are still being published by prominent rabbis. Already, the two chief rabbis of Israel are reported to disagree. At least one prominent American halachic authority has ruled that cloning is permitted in certain instances. Many technical issues of Jewish law will have to be resolved before a final consensus is reached. In addition, many deep philosophical concepts in Judaism will also have to be applied to cloning before the final decision is reached.

Nevertheless, many of the issues involved have been dealt with in detail regarding artificial insemination, surrogate motherhood, and ovary transplants. In Jewish law, family relationships are very important. For example, the Torah lists multiple illicit familial relationships such as a son marrying his mother and a nephew marrying his aunt. In traditional Judaism, religious status is passed down through the mother and tribal designation (Cohen, Levi, Israel) is passed down through the father.
The first serious challenges to the traditional view of family relationships came about with the advent of surrogate motherhood and ovary transplants. Who is the mother- the genetic mother (egg donor) or the birth mother (gestational mother)? In addition to the legal issues raised, such as inheritance and obligation to support the child, there are fascinating religious ramifications. For instance, when the Torah commands: “honor your father and mother”, who is the mother? The case of cloning adds the following fascinating twist- in the case of cloning a woman, is there a father?

There is an issue raised by cloning that is not present in most reproductive technology questions. All prior technological advances have only enhanced the ability to conceive and bring a fetus to term. Egg and sperm donations allow otherwise sterile men and women to conceive, in vitro fertilization treats ovulatory dysfunction (among other problems), and surrogate motherhood allows women who lack the ability to sustain gestation to have children. Nevertheless, the basic “mechanics” of conception, gestation, and childbirth are not affected. Cloning interferes with the basic process of procreation itself. The normal sequence of egg and sperm uniting and forming a new life is abolished and the egg becomes a vehicle for the “parasitic” parental DNA. Basically, sexual reproduction is replaced by a new version of parthenogenesis!

The Torah tells us that originally man and woman were one being, but that G-d separated them after creation. When a man and woman marry, they come together to form the original whole. Does cloning unduly interfere with the deeply held belief that G-d created the world such that a man and woman would unite to “be fruitful and multiply,” (Genesis 1:28) creating new life together. Or, alternatively, is cloning just another leap forward in the quest for better technology, as the Torah commands in the same verse: “fill the earth and master it”?

The issue of cloning touches many areas of Jewish law, but it also raises many exciting challenges to our Jewish world view. It should be very interesting to see how the consensus of Jewish law develops if human cloning ever becomes a reality.
 
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