Questions about quotes from the Quran

[- Qatada -]

I see

kool

interesting way of looking at it, but Christians do not believe they worship more than one God as a polytheist does, they simply believe that God spoke through Jesus and acts through the Holy spirit, and that all three are the same but given different names to distinguish the type of presence that God presented himself to be in. I am not saying necessarily believe all of this just how it was conveyed to me as a child

Yeah, i've heard that being mentioned quite a few times. I think it's logical and i'm sure you would believe this also, that if God has sent Messengers' to all of mankind who were humans, then Jesus son of Mary was also one of them.

If people are amazed at his miraculous birth, then they should realise that Adam was born without a father nor a mother.

they simply believe that God spoke through Jesus and acts through the Holy spirit

This part seems interesting, since we know that God conveyed His message through the Holy Spirit (Angel Gabriel) to His Messengers', so maybe some people just fell into the trap of thinking that the holy spirit (angel Gabriel) is God because he brought the message?


Anyway, thanks for your time. And i hope you ponder over this, since death can overtake us anytime, anyplace. And the successful without a doubt are those who use the logic and wisdom which God has granted them to draw closer to Him to fulfill the purpose of their life.




Regards.

 

[MTAFFI]

kool

Yeah, i've heard that being mentioned quite a few times. I think it's logical and i'm sure you would believe this also, that if God has sent Messengers' to all of mankind who were humans, then Jesus son of Mary was also one of them.

If people are amazed at his miraculous birth, then they should realise that Adam was born without a father nor a mother.

This part seems interesting, since we know that God conveyed His message through the Holy Spirit (Angel Gabriel) to His Messengers', so maybe some people just fell into the trap of thinking that the holy spirit (angel Gabriel) is God because he brought the message?

Anyway, thanks for your time. And i hope you ponder over this, since death can overtake us anytime, anyplace. And the successful without a doubt are those who use the logic and wisdom which God has granted them to draw closer to Him to fulfill the purpose of their life.

Regards.

Thank you for your comments as always Fi

For some reason this has sparked a renewed interest in the Quran for me, so I began reading it again, it is funny because one of the first verses that I ran across was this

[2:62] Surely, those who believe, those who are Jewish, the Christians, and the converts; anyone who (1) believes in GOD, and (2) believes in the Last Day, and (3) leads a righteous life, will receive their recompense from their Lord. They have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve.

Praise God for this message

 

[- Qatada -]

Thank you for your comments as always Fi

For some reason this has sparked a renewed interest in the Quran for me, so I began reading it again, it is funny because one of the first verses that I ran across was this

[2:62] Surely, those who believe, those who are Jewish, the Christians, and the converts; anyone who (1) believes in GOD, and (2) believes in the Last Day, and (3) leads a righteous life, will receive their recompense from their Lord. They have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve.

Praise God for this message

That verse is referring to those who used to follow Moses, Jesus son of Mary (peace be upon him) at their specific times, then after the final Messenger of God, Muhammad (peace be upon him) came, anyone who was alive after that has to follow him and can't reject him, since that would be taking a pick and mix of the Messengers'.

The Religion before Allah is Islam (submission to His Will):
Nor did the People of the Book (Christians and Jews) dissent therefrom except through envy of each other, after knowledge had come to them. But if any deny the Signs of Allah, Allah is swift in calling to account. [Qur'an 3: 19]


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So now that the message has been revealed to God's final Messenger, Muhammad (peace be upon him) - it is a duty upon anyone who is alive to follow him and his message, since he is the final Messenger of God.




Regards.

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[MTAFFI]

That verse is referring to those who used to follow Moses, Jesus son of Mary (peace be upon him) at their specific times, then after the final Messenger of God, Muhammad (peace be upon him) came, anyone who was alive after that has to follow him and can't reject him, since that would be taking a pick and mix of the Messengers'.

For me the main message that is contained in that verse was not necessarily the name of the religion that one follows but


anyone who (1) believes in GOD, and (2) believes in the Last Day, and (3) leads a righteous life, will receive their recompense from their Lord. They have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve

 

[- Qatada -]

Then you have to question what is meant by 'righteous life' - true?


You have to also question what is meant by 'the last day' and we also have to question what is truelly meant by 'believing in God' - because beliving in a Creator isn't sufficient. And believing in God means we have to believe in ALL of His Messengers'.


Infact, the majority of the Prophets who went to their people, their people believed in a Creator and Sustainer etc. However, they rejected the fact that this Creator and Sustainer who is Aware of all that we do doesn't send us Messengers from among ourselves, to distinguish between what is good and bad etc. And they rejected the fact that He should be worshipped alone.


Even if we look at Jesus son of Mary (peace be upon him) - he went to the Children of Israeel, and we know that the Children of Israeel believed in God, however, they never lead a righteous life, so Jesus son of Mary went to make the message clear to them on how God wanted to be worshipped etc.

So you see that other parts of the Qur'an actually explain that verse well, on what is righteousness, the message of the Prophets, what is beloved in the sight of God, what the Last Day is (i.e. Judgement Day and its details), the concept of the Hellfire and Paradise etc.


The main principal is, we take the package as a whole rather than taking a pick and mix of what we desire. Allaah says in the Qur'an:

..it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not. [Qur'an 2: 216]

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So we continue striving to do good for the sake of Allaah, hoping for His reward, and He is the Most Merciful, Most Appreciative.

"Why should Allah punish you if you have thanked (Him) and have believed in Him. And Allah is Ever All*Appreciative (of any good), All*Knowing."

[Qur'an 4:147]




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Regards.

 

[MTAFFI]

Then you have to question what is meant by 'righteous life' - true?


You have to also question what is meant by 'the last day' and we also have to question what is truelly meant by 'believing in God' - because beliving in a Creator isn't sufficient. And believing in God means we have to believe in ALL of His Messengers'.


Infact, the majority of the Prophets who went to their people, their people believed in a Creator and Sustainer etc. However, they rejected the fact that this Creator and Sustainer who is Aware of all that we do doesn't send us Messengers from among ourselves, to distinguish between what is good and bad etc. And they rejected the fact that He should be worshipped alone.


Even if we look at Jesus son of Mary (peace be upon him) - he went to the Children of Israeel, and we know that the Children of Israeel believed in God, however, they never lead a righteous life, so Jesus son of Mary went to make the message clear to them on how God wanted to be worshipped etc.

So you see that other parts of the Qur'an actually explain that verse well, on what is righteousness, the message of the Prophets, what is beloved in the sight of God, what the Last Day is (i.e. Judgement Day and its details), the concept of the Hellfire and Paradise etc.


The main principal is, we take the package as a whole rather than taking a pick and mix of what we desire. Allaah says in the Qur'an:

..it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not. [Qur'an 2: 216]

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So we continue striving to do good for the sake of Allaah, hoping for His reward, and He is the Most Merciful, Most Appreciative.

"Why should Allah punish you if you have thanked (Him) and have believed in Him. And Allah is Ever All*Appreciative (of any good), All*Knowing."

[Qur'an 4:147]




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Regards.

Yes I agree, one must ask themself this question, what if the answers that a persons get to these questions reflect in themselves, and yet they are not considered a Muslim. For example, I feel as though I live as righteously as I can, I believe in only one God, and I do believe in the last day and heaven and hell. I choose not to label myself with a religion, I choose to follow the word of God and his prophets and live (or try to) by the divine set of rules that he has bestowed upon us. Do you think that God will care when I die if I ever declared myself to be a Muslim?

 

[- Qatada -]

Thanks, for your response.


I was having a discussion like this with someone else some time ago too.

The problem lies in with the definition of righteous. For example, many people do acts of righteousness, and how do they do them? They do them by the ability that God has given them. I.e. if you give in charity, it is God who gave you that wealth so you could help the needy. If you help someone pick a heavy load as an act of charity, God gave you that strength for you to be able to do that act of kindness.


Now you may hear the word 'kaafir' flying around alot of the times, but something alot of the people don't understand is that the word kaafir means disbeliever, BUT that isn't it. It also means to be 'ungrateful' since the arabic language is a rich language. So one who is a disbeliever is in reality someone who is ungrateful to God for all the favours which He has bestowed upon them. The way one can show gratefulness however, is to accept God's message whole-heartedly and submit.

And (remember) when your Lord proclaimed: "If you give thanks (by accepting Faith and worshipping none but Allâh), I will give you more (of My Blessings), but if you are thankless (i.e. disbelievers), verily! My Punishment is indeed severe."

[Qur'an 14: 7]

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Now how is someone ungrateful if they do good? Well if we were to see the Messengers of God, we'd see that there are many incidents (even in the bible today!) where the Prophets would be grateful and fall flat on their faces. Now people may wonder why they do this?


Yet this is well known that prostration to God is a form of thankfulness, a sign of submission. Islaam means submission to God. And the prayer is one of the greatest pillars, so instead of simply being thankful and kind to the creation, one also needs to thank God by praising, thanking and submitting to the Creator who has given us all that we have in our lives - Whether it's our *hint hint* XBOX 360, our hunting skills, or even something blessed like a child, an amazing creation which started off from a drop of sperm into a whole child that has amazing abilities, all by the will of Allaah, the Creator of all things.



Don't you know that God has made a place for you in His paradise? That is the original place for all the children of Adam [peace be upon him] (since that's where him and his wife/our mother (peace be upon her) dwelled at the beginning), all you need to do is obey the Messenger God sent to you, and if you are sincere - then know that God has a huge reward in store for His obedient servants, since He is the Most Loving, All Appreciative.


If He gives you so much good in this life without you striving for it, imagine how much good He would bestow upon you for the good that you did strive for!




Regards.