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NoName55 said:
whose morals?
who is "they"?

I suggest you start reading from page 14 post 200 and follow it thru to this page before coming up with these peals of wisdom. Thank you wa-salaam
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those that dont eat meat.. their morals may say that killing animals is not moral.
 
When it comes to morality, there is no such thing as their morals or my morals or your morals.

What's morally right and wrong does (must) not change from person to person or religion to religion.

Please tell me why you think eating meat is perfectely fine when there are vegetables available.

Do you actually think that vegetables go through the same pain as animals?
 
cali dude said:
When it comes to morality, there is no such thing as their morals or my morals or your morals.

What's morally right and wrong does (must) not change from person to person or religion to religion.
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That is just not true. Morals change from group to group.

Some groups think it is moral to kill people because of there religious beliefs, others don't. Some people think it is immoral to have more than one wife, others don't. Some groups think capital punishment is immoral, others don't.

Not all “Moral Compasses” point in exactly the same direction.
 
wilberhum said:
That is just not true. Morals change from group to group.

Some groups think it is moral to kill people because of there religious beliefs, others don't. Some people think it is immoral to have more than one wife, others don't. Some groups think capital punishment is immoral, others don't.

Not all “Moral Compasses” point in exactly the same direction.
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Do you actually think something becomes moral just because people think it's moral to do it?
 
cali dude said:
Do you actually think something becomes moral just because people think it's moral to do it?
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Comunity norms. Yes.

I do not believe there is such a thing as "god's morals" because I don't believe god has definable communications with us.

If everyone in the village is tought from birth that god demans that you kill deformed children, then I would not call any of the baby killers immoral.
 
But we do know that something doesn't become the right to do just because a community thinks it's the right thing to do.

So how else do we determine what's right and what's wrong, leaving religion out?
 
cali dude said:
But we do know that something doesn't become the right to do just because a community thinks it's the right thing to do.

So how else do we determine what's right and what's wrong, leaving religion out?
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Comunity norms.

So is having more that one wife immoral?
 
cali dude said:
It probably depends on why you have more than one wife. Does anybody get hurt in the process?
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So if I have 1 wife and treat her badly then marriage is immoral? :skeleton:

You are just avoiding answering the question. :?

Whether you say having multiple wives is moral or immoral, you will find over a billion people that disagree with you.

There is only one explanation of why, dictionaries are wonderful.

Moral (5) good by accepted standards: good or right, when judged by the standards of the average person or society at large
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Communit norms yes. But also add empathy and self preservation. Those three are the source of all "morality" as I see it. Some "moralities" get codified into a religion and holy book, and when they do they often become rigid and resist change as society changes and no longer needs them. For example, there was probably vitally important reason why it was taboo to eat non kosher back in the day.
 
cali dude said:
But we do know that something doesn't become the right to do just because a community thinks it's the right thing to do.

So how else do we determine what's right and what's wrong, leaving religion out?
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We do it the same way with religion. Religion does not means its morals are THE morals.

After all religions conflict with one and another over what is and isnt moral.
Also people of religions often cherry pick their morality from their religions to serve their needs. Ultimatly those people still choose what they deem to be right and wrong.
 
wilberhum said:
So if I have 1 wife and treat her badly then marriage is immoral? :skeleton:

You are just avoiding answering the question. :?

Whether you say having multiple wives is moral or immoral, you will find over a billion people that disagree with you.

There is only one explanation of why, dictionaries are wonderful.
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I think he was saying was do the wives know you are married to more than one person and does it causes harm. Not how you treat your wives or spouse.
 
cali dude said:
When it comes to morality, there is no such thing as their morals or my morals or your morals.

What's morally right and wrong does (must) not change from person to person or religion to religion.

Please tell me why you think eating meat is perfectely fine when there are vegetables available.

Do you actually think that vegetables go through the same pain as animals?
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Actually morality does vary from culture to culture, religion to religion, and person to person.

People have a tendencey to learn their morals from the society they grow up in. At some point they will also have the ability to decide for themselves what is right and wrong.

As for pain of animals. I dont think it is immoral to cause to pain to animals since we have to eat. Thats life. Animals are not immoral for eating other animals, neither are we. I do think that causing pain for the sake of causing pain however is immoral.
 
No I am not saying I am better but morally it does make more sense not to eat meat
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is it because animals feel pain or because meateater is taking their life?
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NoName55 said:
Originally Posted by Pygoscelis
Vegetarianism is cruel. At least animals have a chance to get away.
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ah shucks I was saving that as a surprise ending, spoil sport

:)

I was going to add:
how many people can be fed with a single cow (1 life lost)?
how many lives would be lost during one single veggie meal?
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dang it! hijackers have made me invisible to brother cali_dude
 
cali dude said:
Ok let's start this way...

Is killing wrong at all? Why and why not?
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Yes, no and maybe.

In general Humans killing humans out of cold blood is bad.
Humans killing animals out of cold blood "no reason except for killing" is bad.

Killing humans in self defence or other similar circumstance is ok.

Killing animals out of self defence or food or protection i would say is in general ok.
 
So what you are saying is that basically killing is wrong unless it's done for food or self-defense.

The key word here is "wrong".

But if you could survive without killing, would it make sense not to kill?

As far as polygamy goes, no I don't believe in polygamy at all.

I personally have no justification for polygamy.
 
cali dude said:
So what you are saying is that basically killing is wrong unless it's done for food or self-defense.

The key word here is "wrong".

But if you could survive without killing, would it make sense not to kill?

As far as polygamy goes, no I don't believe in polygamy at all.

I personally have no justification for polygamy.
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Well personally i dont kill , i let other people do it and i go to the store and buy the food. Now those people kill in order to make money so they can survive. I buy the dead food and happily eat it. "it would be a waste not to."

As for polygamy i see just as much justification in it as any marriage.
Of course I expect all memebers to be equal in the relationship which could be difficult. The concept is fine the practice is another matter. I myself am happy just marrying one person.
 
ranma1/2 said:
Well personally i dont kill , i let other people do it and i go to the store and buy the food. Now those people kill in order to make money so they can survive. I buy the dead food and happily eat it. "it would be a waste not to."

As for polygamy i see just as much justification in it as any marriage.
Of course I expect all memebers to be equal in the relationship which could be difficult. The concept is fine the practice is another matter. I myself am happy just marrying one person.
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But if you didn't buy the meat, would they still kill? So indirectly, you are causing the killing. There are other means to make money than killing.
 
cali dude said:
But if you didn't buy the meat, would they still kill? So indirectly, you are causing the killing. There are other means to make money than killing.
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I admit that i am indirectly responcible for those poor chickens that i eat but that doesnt bug me. 'maybe it would if i had to kill them'
I have a question for you. Do you use products that use animals or animal biproducts in there creation?
Apart from that, are animals immoral for killing other animals for survival?
Like i said i dont think morality has much to do with food.
Of course this goes way off into offtopic land I imagine so if you want you could create a seperate thread on veganism or something similar.
Peace and have fun.
 

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