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Ansar Al-'Adl said:
Hello Jitty,

Yes!

Same as the answer to this question:
What is the point of life?
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Somehow I dont think these two go hand in hand. God takes life away. Men take foreskins away. THey are completly different playing fields.

Anyways, how do you know that the content within the Quaran is 100% correct. How do you know these are the words from god, and not some person who has made it up.

Giving foreskin which obviously have scientific reasons and then taking being ordered to take it away does not sound very moral or logical to me.

Isnt religion about logics and morality?

I still think it is a cultural custom. Scientific evidence also seems to back this up. The fact that it originated from the arabic countries where water was scarce and the weather was hot, leads me to believe it may have been carried out in those day as a form of hygine.

Somehow I dont think God would recomend that people should be circumcised. And even if he did, who are the parents to carry out a PHYSICAL mutilation of their child?

Surely the child can grow up and then decide for himself if he wants to be circumcised or not.
 
First of all, it is not fardh (compulsary) on a person to get circumcised. it is a sunnah mustahab (liked.) therefore because it is hygienic, it is liked in islam. it is not mentioned in the qur'an that one has to get circumcised but our beloved Prophet Muhammad sal Allaahu alayhi wasalam approved of it.

regarding your question about the qur'an, that is a totally different subject so you can discuss this later.


Allaah subhanahu wa ta'aala creates what he wills, so we have no right to question that. you can say the most obvious question of why Allaah subhanahu wa ta'aala created satan, but theres always a reason behind it. in islam its because our life is a test, and we will be tested to see if we can follow the true path of islam without getting distracted by satans evil whispers etc. this is part of our life - the ones who can strive in the right path will be the successful, whereas the ones that fall into the trap without repenting may go to hell only with Allaah subhanahu wa ta'aalas permission.


regarding your last two questions, it doesn't hurt the child much when they are below the age of 6 to get circumcised, this leads to the answer to the other question - once the person is older it is more likely to hurt if they get circumcised especially after they have hit puberty.


and Allaah subhanahu wa ta'aala knows best.
 
jitty said:
Anyways, how do you know that the content within the Quaran is 100% correct. How do you know these are the words from god, and not some person who has made it up.
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Good question. "How do we know the Qur'an is the word of God?" Such a question requires a detailed answer that is beyond the scope of this discussion. Consequently, I suggest we pursue that question seperately in the comparative religion section.

Giving foreskin which obviously have scientific reasons and then taking being ordered to take it away does not sound very moral or logical to me.
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Arguing that circumcision does not have benefit is different from arguing that the foreskin provides more benefits than circumcision. I hope you can appreciate that difference.

Surely the child can grow up and then decide for himself if he wants to be circumcised or not.
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Circumcision is done at birth because it is easier on the child than if it was done as an adult.

Regards
 
Ansar Al-'Adl said:
Arguing that circumcision does not have benefit is different from arguing that the foreskin provides more benefits than circumcision. I hope you can appreciate that difference.
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Sorry i dont quite understand. Its there for a reason, therefore there are no reasons to take it off. The complications of circumcision equal the complications of not circumcising, therefore why circumcise at all? There is no point.

Ansar Al-'Adl said:
Circumcision is done at birth because it is easier on the child than if it was done as an adult.
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So was the prophet circumcised at birth? Or do you believe he was born circumcised? The fact that its done at birth, suggest there is pain involved as it is not carried out wide spread in adult hood.

Also is circumcision mentioned in the Koran?
 
jitty said:
Also is circumcision mentioned in the Koran?
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peace jitty.once again.lol.

An extensive interpretation of verse 2:124 shows some barely traceable indication of it

Id like to add abit more. Notice the BOLD writing:

Circumcision continued to be practiced at the time of the Mohammad. Mohammad encouraged circumcision for all Muslims.There are multiple reasons why Muslims practice circumcision. They practice it for health/cleanliness reasons or as a sacrifice to ‘Allah. Circumcision reduces sexual pleasure for both men and women. However, the primary reason is for the practice of Sunnah.



Sunnah is the way the Prophet lived. It is as important as the Q’uran in providing guiding principles to Muslims.


I hope it helps.

peace.
 
jitty said:
Sorry i dont quite understand. Its there for a reason, therefore there are no reasons to take it off. The complications of circumcision equal the complications of not circumcising, therefore why circumcise at all? There is no point.
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Like I already said, there is a difference between saying that there are no benefits to circumcising and claiming that the forsekin provides more benefits. Suppose, for the sake of argument, that I agree with you that circumcision provides absolutely no benefits over no circumcision. My point still holds that we simply circumcise because it is a simple task God has given us and a mark of our covenant.

So was the prophet circumcised at birth? Or do you believe he was born circumcised?
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Obviously, he was not born circumcised. But the Muslims are to practice circumcision on newborns.
The fact that its done at birth, suggest there is pain involved as it is not carried out wide spread in adult hood.
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Let us see what the medical references say about this. According to the Medical Encyclopedia of the US National Library of Medicine and National Institutes of Health,
For both newborns and older children, circumcision is considered a very safe procedure.

...Healing time for newborns usually is about 1 week. Apply petroleum jelly (Vaseline) after diaper changes to protect the healing incision. Some initial swelling and yellow crust formation around the incision is normal.

Healing time for older children and adolescents may be up to 3 weeks. In most instances, the child will be discharged from the hospital on the day of the surgery. (John Goldenring, M.D., M.P.H, Department of Pediatrics, Children's Hospital, San Diego, CA, 11/10/2004)​
So my claim that circumcision earlier is easier on the child, is supported by medical evidence.
Also is circumcision mentioned in the Koran?
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No, it is mentioned in the second source of Islamic law - the Sunnah.

Regards
 
The prophet raided caravans bound for mecca. Should muslims do the same as well?

Basically you are saying that everything done by the prophet muslims have to do, otherwise its a sin. Thats ridicoulous. He converted people through war. Do muslims do that too, today?
 
salam
where is your evidence that the prophet SAW raided caravans?
wasalam
 
salam
i agree bro^^^ the context and language was obvioulsy biased
wasalam
 
yeah well if that encyclopeadia is giving the wrong information then it is obviously unauthentic. *rolls her eyes*
 
jitty said:
Who decides whether information is unauthentic or not? The article had refrences and was based on histroic evidence. I could say the link posted below is unauthentic.

http://www.islamicboard.com/prophet-muhammad-p/4965-battle-badr-battle-between-truth-falsehood.html
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you're not gonna learn anything if u already have biased opinions...please keep an open mind and look at it from a muslim's point of view...after all this is an islamic forum...we dont like information against us on our own forum u know....u can visit any site u want to...but if u ask us...we're gonna give u a muslim's perspective....then its upto u to accept it or not...nobody's forcing u....

peace!
 
jitty said:
Basically you are saying that everything done by the prophet muslims have to do, otherwise its a sin.
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We don't believe it's a sin if you don't follow the life of the prophet, rather we believe if you follow the way of the prophet you get reward from Allah. Since we believe in heaven/hell, believing the whole reason we were created was to be tested by God and while on this life we live by God's rules as given in the Quran (Which is without a shadow of doubt the word of God), and then are tested on the day of judgment and enter heaven or hell. now God has given us loads of different ways to earn these rewards, but one way for us to gain reward is by following the example of the prophet SAW. This is as since he was sent to the whole of mankind for the rest of time, he would thus have to be the greatest, most perfect prophet. he did every thing the way Allah wanted him to do it, so whatever Allah likes the prophet did, so by following the Prophet Muhammed SAW we are following Allah SWA and thus gaining reward. God knows what's best for us..since he created us..and if he's told us in the Quran that Muhammed SAW is the messenger,a perfect person and if you follow his way you will be successful, then of course we are going to Submitt to God and follow the way of the Prophet Muhammed SAW. Now we know he's perfect since it's written in the Quran, and we know the Quran is the word of God

Thats ridicoulous. He converted people through war. Do muslims do that too, today
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You're suggesting islam was spread by the sword?
No offence intended or anything, but you seemed like quite an intelligent person, but by thinking islam's spread by the sword you just seem really really illogical. I can't understand how you can believe this...logically?
Islam, when it re-emerged under Muhammed PBUH,was shunned by most people and initial reverts were oppressed, but gradually islam grew. Now how could it have started to grow initially, they can't have been forced to revert now could they since they themselves were being oppressed. The only way it could have grown during these oppressive times was just by people hearing of Islam and converting because of its truthfullness
Ok now even why would some people at the time convert to islam who were in powerful positions, had riches and money, they knew they would have to give these things up, now if they saw that islam was being spread by the sword they wouldnt have done this
Also IF, and a big IF,IF islam was spread by the sword then when they were forced to revert by muslims, when these muslims would go away, what is stopping these people from practicing their old way of life, or growing their children up in the old way of life. It's illogical for people who didn't believe in islam, are then forced unwillingly to believe in islam, and then when no1s around still practice islam even if nobody's watching, why would they continue to practice islam? It's because someone is watching - God, and these people knew that they would be questioned by God on why they didn't follow his way
Now finally what about the last 100 years. People are converting to islam everyday, here in UK it's something like 70 a day and rising, thats over 20,000 a year, in america its over 100,000 a year. These people in the west that are converting include intelligent, rich, popular people, they would be giving up so many things if they converted, who's converting these people by the sword? A lot of thinking would have gone into these people in the west converting, they would have studied it thoroughly to see it was the truth and if it was worth changing, and yet they still did accept islam. Don't you think if they had read Muhammed PBUH had spread islam by the sword, then do you think they still would have reverted
These people are using the greatest tool given by God- the brain, all it requires is simple logic and an open mind
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jitty said:
Sorry i dont quite understand. Its there for a reason, therefore there are no reasons to take it off. The complications of circumcision equal the complications of not circumcising, therefore why circumcise at all? There is no point.
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Are you even reading the arguments?

If you love your foreskin so much, don't get circumcised. It's not like we're standing over you with a knife :p
 
jitty said:
The prophet raided caravans bound for mecca. Should muslims do the same as well?

Basically you are saying that everything done by the prophet muslims have to do, otherwise its a sin. Thats ridicoulous. He converted people through war. Do muslims do that too, today?
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:lol: lol, I see that instead of responding to my points you attempt to divert the topic by raising allegations against Prophet Muhammad pbuh.

THESE ARE BLATANT LIES WHICH I HAVE ALREADY REFUTED HERE

You have failed to respond to the points on circumcision and instead divert the topic with attacks on Prophet Muhammad pbuh. Consequently, this thread will be closed. When you wish to resume the discussion on circumcision, let me know and we'll open this thread again. If you wish to discuss these allegations against Prophet Muhammad pbuh, we can do so in the other thread.

:threadclo

Regards
 
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