"Quran" and "New Testament"

[جوري]

I find it laughable when a Jew comes and tells us who is disputing what in our Quran and reinterprets it --and by the same token finds it utterly ridiculous when us Muslims do the same with his Tanakh... besides I have listed Suret Al-Kahf as well... but I will not repeat what I wrote you should search for it... I woke late today and on the wrong side of the bed-- I can't humor this when I see crooked intent.....

 

[lavikor201]

I find it laughable when a Jew comes and tells us who is disputing what in our Quran and reinterprets it --and by the same token finds it utterly ridiculous when us Muslims do the same with his Tanakh... besides I have listed Suret Al-Kahf as well... but I will not repeat what I wrote you should search for it... I woke late today and on the wrong side of the bed-- I can't humor this when I see crooked intent.....

First off my intent is to see how the tone of the Bible and Quran differ or are similar. There are many categories such as punishment, reward etc.

Second, I am not disputing the Quran or your interpretation, I just want it cleared up as to why a Muslim us disputing your interpretation, so when I write what I write, it will be considered accepted by all Muslims and not disputed.

If you bring me a different interpreation of the Tanakh written by a learned Jew then I will not find it ridiculous! However, when you post a Tanakh interpretation from a Muslim source then I will find it ridiculous.

 

[AhlaamBella]

However, when you post a Tanakh interpretation from a Muslim source then I will find it ridiculous.

Sorry but how is that logical? What difference does religion make? And don't say bias because honesty does still exist in the world you know.

 

[Umar001]

I would still like see the verses of which G-d specifically tells Mohammad that he is very wrong on somethings, or that he has done something wrong. The verse given to me before seems disputed.

Hi,

Just wanted to say anyone can dispute anything, the substance for the dispute is what should be judged.

 

[جوري]

Any bow that is too tensely strung is easily broken

First off my intent is to see how the tone of the Bible and Quran differ or are similar. There are many categories such as punishment, reward etc.

Second, I am not disputing the Quran or your interpretation, I just want it cleared up as to why a Muslim us disputing your interpretation, so when I write what I write, it will be considered accepted by all Muslims and not disputed.

If you bring me a different interpreation of the Tanakh written by a learned Jew then I will not find it ridiculous! However, when you post a Tanakh interpretation from a Muslim source then I will find it ridiculous.

The Quran isn't about rewards or punishment I find that a rather sophomoric view... if I have to sum it up in one word then it would be about Justice-- for all of mankind! ... I speak Arabic fluently and still don't understand many things in the Quran that need a scholarly mind to interpret... but judging from your other post in which you stated "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" as per regard to the so-called poetic text in the Quran-- And the nature of your question here can only lead me to conclude two things--that you have neither read the Quran least of which in original tongue to assert your previous statement... nor know of its subject matter as to be able to pass on a "refutation"...I'll spare you my view of how the Quran compares to the other books-- but will tell you this much (it is written very differently and therefore, can't be compared to previous scriptures.)

Peace!

 

[Woodrow]

Muslims and Christians, Let me ask you:

Are Jesus or Mohammad every criticized by G-d in your holy books? If so could you provide the verse where G-d criticizes Mohammad in the Quran, or Jesus is criticized in the New Testament.

Thank you.

The question is difficult for some of us to answer, any answer will be our own opinion and as such is subject to be in error.


I do not think very many, if any of us here are Qur'anic Scholars.

I know I do not have the knowledge to say that such criticisms do not exist.

However, I have not yet seen any thing I understood to be as such. My answers are very much limited by my deficiency in Qur'anic knowledge.

I know that sounds like a cop out, but the fact is my knowledge of the Qur'an is very limited and I have much left to learn.

Just my round about why of saying "I do not know."

 

[lavikor201]

Re: Any bow that is too tensely strung is easily broken

The Quran isn't about rewards or punishment I find that a rather sophomoric view... if I have to sum it up in one word then it would be about Justice-- for all of mankind! ... I speak Arabic fluently and still don't understand many things in the Quran that need a scholarly mind to interpret... but judging from your other post in which you stated "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" as per regard to the so-called poetic text in the Quran-- And the nature of your question here can only lead me to conclude two things--that you have neither read the Quran least of which in original tongue to assert your previous statement... nor know of its subject matter as to be able to pass on a "refutation"...I'll spare you my view of how the Quran compares to the other books-- but will tell you this much (it is written very differently and therefore, can't be compared to previous scriptures.)

Peace!

I am not making judgements on your holy book. What I am doing is comparing the tone and language used in all three faiths holy books, and using the tone in different situations. It has nothing to do with what the Quran is about, but the tone used in different situations.

Sorry but how is that logical? What difference does religion make? And don't say bias because honesty does still exist in the world you know.

Not bias, but knowledge. Jews study these texts all day, and I have met very few Muslims who study the Talmud and Tanakh for about 20 out of 24 possible hours a day with the intent of not finding faults in it.

 

[YusufNoor]

First off my intent is to see how the tone of the Bible and Quran differ or are similar. There are many categories such as punishment, reward etc.

Second, I am not disputing the Quran or your interpretation, I just want it cleared up as to why a Muslim us disputing your interpretation, so when I write what I write, it will be considered accepted by all Muslims and not disputed.

If you bring me a different interpreation of the Tanakh written by a learned Jew then I will not find it ridiculous! However, when you post a Tanakh interpretation from a Muslim source then I will find it ridiculous.

A`udhu Billahi mina Shaytanir Rajeem,

Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem

Assalamu alaykum wa'rahma-tullahi, wa'barakatahu



my apologies if some of our response seem rude. you should check the above mentioned verses in ibn Kathir's tafseer:

http://www.tafsir.com/

that should, i hope, give you the information that you require.

I just want it cleared up as to why a Muslim us disputing your interpretation, so when I write what I write, it will be considered accepted by all Muslims and not disputed.

we have no power to guide whom Allah(SWT) leads astray, therefore, if someone wants to deviate there is nothing that we can do for them except explain the truth...

Peace,

 

[جوري]

Re: Any bow that is too tensely strung is easily broken

I am not making judgements on your holy book. What I am doing is comparing the tone and language used in all three faiths holy books, and using the tone in different situations. It has nothing to do with what the Quran is about, but the tone used in different situations.

Well-- you'll find that the tone is no different than that when Moses (PBUH) met with (Zi ilkhidr) and was impatient with him--Which you can read all about in sura 18 around verses 60 on...

peace

 

[lavikor201]

Thank you.

 

[Abu Zakariya]

lavikor

The Orthodox Muslim understanding of the verses in Surah 'Abasa is clear, and we believe it is in reference to Muhammad (sall Allahu 'alayhi wa sallam). What some minority sect believes doesn't matter to us. The Prophet (sall Allahu 'alayhi wa sallam) was a human being and made mistakes, but because he was a Prophet, God would correct him.

If you bring me a different interpreation of the Tanakh written by a learned Jew then I will not find it ridiculous! However, when you post a Tanakh interpretation from a Muslim source then I will find it ridiculous.

What if I bring you an interpretation that a minority deviant Jewish sect believes in? Or reform Jews?

Here are other verses (he isn't exactly criticized per se, but he is warned):

And if he (Muhammad SAW) had forged a false saying concerning Us (Allâh), We surely should have seized him by his right hand (or with power and might), And then certainly should have cut off his life artery (Aorta), And none of you could withhold Us from (punishing) him.

And here's another example:

And keep yourself (O Muhammad SAW) patiently with those who call on their Lord (i.e. your companions who remember their Lord with glorification, praising in prayers, etc., and other righteous deeds, etc.) morning and afternoon, seeking His Face, and let not your eyes overlook them, desiring the pomp and glitter of the life of the world; and obey not him whose heart We have made heedless of Our Remembrance, one who follows his own lusts and whose affair (deeds) has been lost. (Al-Kahf 18:28)

This verse was a response to a particular incident where the Quraysh agreed to have a meeting with the Prophet (sall Allahu 'alayhi wa sallam) on the condition that he distanced himself from his poor followers, for that particular meeting. So he was told by God to not listen to them.

Here's another verse where he is "told off" by God:

O Prophet! Why do you ban (for yourself) that which Allâh has made lawful to you, seeking to please your wives? And Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (At-Tahrim 66:1)

 

[abdulhakim55]

"I would rather die believing that it was not the Prophet who frowned and learn later that it was the Prophet who frowned than to die believing that it was the Prophet who frowned and learn later that it was not the Prophet who frowned".

I'm not sure if it was the prophet guys. :blind:

 

[abdulhakim55]

I read this: The Qur'an remained silent as to who frowned and even if one is curious to know who frowned, the answer is not in the Qur'an because it is not a Book of names but a Book of principles. There is a tradition which mentions that a man from the Banu Ummayyah frowned at the blind man. However if one asks the question: "can the Prophet frown at a blind or poor man?", then the Qur'an has an answer in surah Qalam verse #4, i.e. the Prophet was on a sublime level of morality and thus it is not possible for him to behaved in this manner.

 

[Abu Zakariya]

You have to look at the context.

Muslims were being persecuted and killed by the Quraysh! So when he got a chance to talk to the leaders of Quraysh and invite them to Islam, this could bring about a lot of good and stop the persecution and killing of Muslims. That is why, when he got this chance he felt that he didn't have time for the blind man at that moment, and instead wanted to focus all his attention at this influental person in the society (and then later return to the blind man and help him). The Prophet (sall Allahu 'alayhi wa sallam) made an honest mistake, but his intention wasn't to hurt this man or anything, he did it in the "spur of the moment" as they say.

 

[rebelishaulman]

No human is perfect which is why everyone from Moses, to King David, to Solomon, to Joshua, to all are repeatedly denounced and criticized by G-d. Every fault by every prophet, every fault by the Jewish people, even if they are behaving better then the gentiles is pointed out. The Jews if they act the same as non-Jews are told they are bad. At every chance G-d gets he chastises the prophets.

The fact that few if any attacks by G-d against your prophets are in your scriptures is a interesting point.

The claim to infallibility is the sign of forgery, and a lesson on frowns or a way a prophet wants people to act so he tells all that G-d corrected him, is very suspicious. But I prefer not to voice my views here, and a theological debate is far from what I want since Muslims practice what G-d wants the goyam to do which are the seven laws.

 

[Abu Zakariya]

The fact that few if any attacks by G-d against your prophets are in your scriptures is a interesting point.

The claim to infallibility is the sign of forgery, and a lesson on frowns or a way a prophet wants people to act so he tells all that G-d corrected him, is very suspicious.

What do you mean by the last statement?

As for the what you said in the first statement, you have to understand that in Islam what we mean by the Prophets being infallible is that they don't make a mistake when it comes to delivering the message. They wont misinform the people in something that relates to religion. However, when it comes to worldly matters they will make mistakes since they are humans.

I don't see why God would attack the Prophets. However, as we showed you God did criticize and use harsh words when the Prophet Muhammad (sall Allahu 'alayhi wa sallam) did the kind of mistake he did when he didn't respond to the blind man. And he was also criticized in the Qur'an on another instance (perhaps more, I don't know). He was a human being and made mistakes. Only God is Perfect.

 

[snakelegs]

No human is perfect which is why everyone from Moses, to King David, to Solomon, to Joshua, to all are repeatedly denounced and criticized by G-d. Every fault by every prophet, every fault by the Jewish people, even if they are behaving better then the gentiles is pointed out. The Jews if they act the same as non-Jews are told they are bad. At every chance G-d gets he chastises the prophets.

The fact that few if any attacks by G-d against your prophets are in your scriptures is a interesting point.

The claim to infallibility is the sign of forgery, and a lesson on frowns or a way a prophet wants people to act so he tells all that G-d corrected him, is very suspicious. But I prefer not to voice my views here, and a theological debate is far from what I want since Muslims practice what G-d wants the goyam to do which are the seven laws.

one of the strongest reasons i can see for believing the tanach is true is the way the people are portrayed in it - as entirely human and very fallible. no people would portray themselves so unglowingly!

 

[YusufNoor]

one of the strongest reasons i can see for believing the tanach is true is the way the people are portrayed in it - as entirely human and very fallible. no people would portray themselves so unglowingly!

A`udhu Billahi mina Shaytanir Rajeem,

Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem

Assalamu alaykum wa'rahma-tullahi, wa'barakatahu

Peace snakelegs,

have you ever read the Stone Chumash version of the Torah??


http://www.artscroll.com/Categories/ste.html

if you haven't, you should!

 

[snakelegs]

A`udhu Billahi mina Shaytanir Rajeem,

Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem

Assalamu alaykum wa'rahma-tullahi, wa'barakatahu

Peace snakelegs,

have you ever read the Stone Chumash version of the Torah??


http://www.artscroll.com/Categories/ste.html

if you haven't, you should!

sounds interesting. i'm not about to buy it though because if i did, it would just sit there waiting for me to read it and i already have a small crowd of stuff waiting to be read and some have been waiting a long time already!
why - do the commentaries portray the jews more flatteringly than the torah itself?

 

[Abu Zakariya]

one of the strongest reasons i can see for believing the tanach is true is the way the people are portrayed in it - as entirely human and very fallible. no people would portray themselves so unglowingly!

The Qur'an and the Islamic sources do the same.

Again, to this day we Muslims recite the verses of the Qur'an in which Muhammad (sall Allahu 'alayhi wa sallam) is criticized. To this day we read hadiths in which we learn that the Prophet (sall Allahu 'alayhi wa sallam) made mistakes and forgot. However, when it comes to delivering the message and the revelation, they made no mistakes. If they mistakes when it came to delivering the message (and told us wrong things), why would we believe in them at all?