Quran Verses - Explanations required.

[AvarAllahNoor]

I read he will bring a new law and a new book? Or is this a lie?

Also you say Allah has permitted it. Has not permitted it in our Scriptures. Or none of the Prophets of Sikhism folowed it in their lives. That to me is more feasible.

 

[- Qatada -]

I read he will bring a new law and a new book? Or is this a lie?

Whoever you hear from needs to bring proof from Qur'an or Authentic Sunnah for their claim. I havn't ever heard of anything like that at all.

Also you say Allah has permitted it. Has not permitted it in our Scriptures. Or none of the Prophets of Sikhism folowed it in their lives. That to me is more feasible.

What Prophets were there in Sikhism?

 

[ummzayd]

Yes I realise all this. Seems bizzare. Same with Soloman and David, having so many wives would NOT be the way of any Prophet. Something I can't get my head around. The Messenger of Allah would only have one f ocus, that would be to relay the Message of our Master not indulge in numerous wives. (as these are sins of the flesh) Something as I keep saying is not likely of a Prophet!

Does Sikhism teach that sex even between husbands and wives is a sin?

In Islam husbands and wives are rewarded for every time they have intercourse (ie it is seen as a good deed, the opposite of a sin to put it simply).

It is God who ordained the means of procreation and who made it a source of pleasure and closeness between husband and wife.

It is not a sin, or dirty or anything that any married couple should be ashamed of. why should a Prophet be ashamed of doing something which God has made a pure and lawful act: ie having sex within marriage.

I think you'll find that in the 3 abrahamic faiths the majority of the Prophets were extremely virile and had more than one wife.

peace

 

[Malaikah]

Yes I realise all this. Seems bizzare. Same with Soloman and David, having so many wives would NOT be the way of any Prophet. Something I can't get my head around. The Messenger of Allah would only have one f ocus, that would be to relay the Message of our Master not indulge in numerous wives. (as these are sins of the flesh) Something as I keep saying is not likely of a Prophet!

His (pbuh) having multiple wives was very important for Islam.

I don't have time for detail, so I'll be quick:

1. It created important ties with other tribes/clans/ whatever they are called that were very significant politically for the Muslims.

2. We have hundreds of people to explain to use about the prophets life outside of his home, his political life, how he acted in the mosque etc... and yet if he had only one wife we would have had only ONE woman to teach us about his personal life. It would have been impossible for only one woman to be able to pass on sufficient information to the whole ummah about how he lives his personal life so we can learn from it.

How strange that you expect a messenger to have only one purpose in life... should he give up eating and drinking too because it is a distraction? What good would a sexually deprived prophet be to anyone? And if he didn't have wives, how can we expect him to teach us how we should be with our own families?

Lastly, there is more to marriage than lust!!!

 

[Muslim Knight]

On that note, when the Prophet migrated to Madinah, the number of followers of Islam were growing, and there was need for more women teachers. How else can the religion and conduct in marriage and family be taught so intimately without provoking scandal? So the ideal solution was to marry the number of wives. In addition to that, political allies can be gained and ties of kinship can be strengthened (as in the marriage of the Prophet to one of his Companions' daughter (Saidina Umar's daughter Hafsah))

So the wives of the Prophet were called Ummul Mu'minin (Mothers of Believers). They learned about religion directly from the Prophet and the believers' wives learned from them. This way it leaves the Prophet free to move around to preach the religion and teach believers who are men.

 

[Umar001]

Why so many? Jesus had none isn't that the way of the Prophet to be?

Two points;

1. Your assuming that the text from which you derive Jesus' life from is an accurate account.

2. Do you understand the circumstance of Jesus?

Yes I realise all this. Seems bizzare. Same with Soloman and David, having so many wives would NOT be the way of any Prophet. Something I can't get my head around. The Messenger of Allah would only have one f ocus, that would be to relay the Message of our Master not indulge in numerous wives. (as these are sins of the flesh) Something as I keep saying is not likely of a Prophet!

That's a presumption, your presuming that having more than one wife is bad.

The Message of God in my view includes reproduction, it includes the sanctity of marriage, the key factor is my friend, I view marriage as a form of worship, from me spending on my wife to me being intimate with her, it is all worship if done correctly, so in reality a Messenger would be worshipping God by being married, which is exactly what I would expect.

Also you say Allah has permitted it. Has not permitted it in our Scriptures. Or none of the Prophets of Sikhism folowed it in their lives. That to me is more feasible.

Did they have one wife?

 

[Ghira]

I think AvarAllah person has no intention to gain knowledge and understand Islam he/she picks some hadiths that need explanation from a scholar and try to put down Islam. If you sincerely want to learn the religion first learn the basics of belief (Creator, Angels, Prophets/Messengers, books), what we practice in Islam and why we do it. Then you can ask these questions to a scholar or search the respected sites.

 

[- Qatada -]

:salamext:


Nah ^ i think Avar's a safe guy compared to alot of other people who join the site he doesn't attack and just questions, like if it was a hater or anti-islamist, they would be arguing right now still lol.

 

[mustafajadeed]

Salam Alaykoom:

Q 18: 1-2 Explains that The Book is Straight and Clear with out crookedness.

I say this to remind every that the "Scholars" of Islam are not a "Priesthood" as the other religions tend to put their own on the Pedestal, we are not supposed to. They are merely your Brothers in the Faith and Human. Even in various Hadith you will see where our Scholars had to go ask others to verify things, some of those others were not always fellow scholars.

Sometimes you actually do have to seek knowledge from the cradle to the grave...for yourself.

That said, "what your right hand possess" did mean slaves and captives of war. Do we still have those things now? We are not supposed to, but we quietly do in some countries.

They forgot that their "servants and slaves" under Islam are to be treated as you would yourself.

They eat like you, dress like you, are not over worked as you would not over work yourself, ect.

The Servants of the Hereafter (like scattered pearls) are just to let you know how beautiful they are, that is all.

The Prophet (saw) had eleven total wives as I remember. In the Qur'an (I do not remember the Ayat right off) it tells you that that was a thing for him, and you have what you are supposed to have (up to 4- if you can take care of that many properly).

Somethings are simply what they are....

salam alay koom

 

[Ghira]

Salam Alaykoom:

Q 18: 1-2 Explains that The Book is Straight and Clear with out crookedness.

I say this to remind every that the "Scholars" of Islam are not a "Priesthood" as the other religions tend to put their own on the Pedestal, we are not supposed to. They are merely your Brothers in the Faith and Human. Even in various Hadith you will see where our Scholars had to go ask others to verify things, some of those others were not always fellow scholars.

Sometimes you actually do have to seek knowledge from the cradle to the grave...for yourself.

That said, "what your right hand possess" did mean slaves and captives of war. Do we still have those things now? We are not supposed to, but we quietly do in some countries.

They forgot that their "servants and slaves" under Islam are to be treated as you would yourself.

They eat like you, dress like you, are not over worked as you would not over work yourself, ect.

The Servants of the Hereafter (like scattered pearls) are just to let you know how beautiful they are, that is all.

The Prophet (saw) had eleven total wives as I remember. In the Qur'an (I do not remember the Ayat right off) it tells you that that was a thing for him, and you have what you are supposed to have (up to 4- if you can take care of that many properly).

Somethings are simply what they are....

salam alay koom

I just wanted to add to your post. You are right in that we don't have a priesthood in Islam. The scholars are our brothers and faith. I am only adding to what you said about Scholars of Islam.

Allah states 3x time in Surah Al-Qamar
"And We have indeed made the Qur'an easy to understand and remember: then is there any that will receive admonition?"

The Qur'an is easy to understand and opens people's hearts to the truth. There is some verses and hadith that needs explanation by a knowledgeable scholar of Islam. The scholars have a greater responsibilty than us normal people.

Prophet saw said "Allah does not take away the knowledge, by taking it away from (the hearts of) the people, but takes it away by the death of the religious learned men till when none of the (religious learned men) remains, people will take as their leaders ignorant persons who when consulted will give their verdict without knowledge. So they will go astray and will lead the people astray."

The Prophet (saw) said "What I fear most for my Ummah (nation) is corrupt scholars."

The Propet (saw) said "The Ulima (scholars in Islam) is the heirs of the Prophet."

The Quran says “O you who believe, obey Allah and obey His Messenger and those in authority among you...” (Al Nisa:59)

 

[Medina83]

What good would a sexually deprived prophet be to anyone?

Salam sister
I was agreeing with all your post until I read this.
Remember Jesus (Isha) sallAllahu alaihe wa salam did not have a wife.
And he fulfilled his prophetic mission until his ascension into heaven from Allah subhana wa ta'ala.

Just thought in your well-intentioned enthusiasm, this little piece may need correction, i think you understand elhamdulillah what i'm trying to say

 

[Malaikah]

I totally understand what you mean, but Jesus didn't live as long as Muhammad pbuh did and when he comes back he will get married anyway... plus not everyone is the same, it might have been okay for Jesus but not for other Propthets.

To think that is somehow wrong for a prophet not to get married just doesn't make any sense.

But your point makes sense, thanks.

 

[Medina83]

I totally understand what you mean, but Jesus didn't live as long as Muhammad pbuh did and when he comes back he will get married anyway... plus not everyone is the same, it might have been okay for Jesus but not for other Propthets.

To think that is somehow wrong for a prophet not to get married just doesn't make any sense.

Of course and i totally agree with you on this

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

OK....

Been a tad busy so have not been posting as much....(yes I know I've been missed)

OK, Sikhism has Ten Prophets (Gurus, thought that was well known?)

Lady who asked if sex during marraige is permissable, and if it's a sin? No it's not a sin, BUT we are told our main concern should not be getting into lust with the wife. Although sexual intercourse is necessary. But should not be the controlling force. - The Gurus had a wife. And some remarried if the one died. So, it's allowed. Like Bro Fasbillah says, i'm trying to learn, but that does not mean i can accept all things addressed, just as you may not accept some of the Sikh beliefs. SO, we can agree to disagree. This makes a better person.

 

[NoName55]

wife = lawful relationship
lust = greed or illicit thing, lecherousness:
self-indulgent sexual desire (personified as one of the deadly sins)

 

[Muslim Knight]

OK....

Been a tad busy so have not been posting as much....(yes I know I've been missed)

OK, Sikhism has Ten Prophets (Gurus, thought that was well known?)

Lady who asked if sex during marraige is permissable, and if it's a sin? No it's not a sin, BUT we are told our main concern should not be getting into lust with the wife. Although sexual intercourse is necessary. But should not be the controlling force. - The Gurus had a wife. And some remarried if the one died. So, it's allowed. Like Bro Fasbillah says, i'm trying to learn, but that does not mean i can accept all things addressed, just as you may not accept some of the Sikh beliefs. SO, we can agree to disagree. This makes a better person.

One of the many functions of marriage in Islam is to channel that lust. Sex outside of marriage is sinful, but inside it can be a form of worship because it is righteous deed. How so? The couple makes the intention that the intercourse is aimed at producing offspring who will then be educated and nurtured to become good Muslims, and worshipper of the One God, and naturally they will become good individuals who will only enjoin the good and forbid evil.

And while they're at it, the enjoyment becomes a reward from God, because the married couple abstain from lusting after others outside the bond of marriage, hence avoid many compounding many other problems like infidelity, jealousy and worst, maybe murder because of jealousy.

Hence the function of marriage in Islam is not confined to merely lust, but to the development of good family unit, the preservation of honorable lineage, that contributes to the protection of society values and integrity.

 

[Malaikah]

SO, we can agree to disagree. This makes a better person.

Agree to disagree on what exactly? You acted like it was a bad thing the Prophet was married and that it doesn't befit a Prophet to marry- and now you are saying your own gurus were married!

Am I the only one confused here? :?

 

[- Qatada -]

Avar, so if you don't accept the previos prophets of God, who actually came to all of mankind before that time? Was all of mankind astray for milleniums, until according to Sikhi beliefs - Allaah chose Guru Nanak as the first prophet?


Thanks in advance.

 

[Mohsin]

AvarAllahNoor

I was under the impression you believe in prophet muhammed as a previous prophet. This is something God must have allowed him, so can I ask why are you questioning it? Thanx

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

No Malikh I said that having SO MANY Wives were not the deeds of the Messenger of God, not that one should be betrothed. - Then you seem to beleive it's all justified and then each woman would have how many children? which would lead to an increase in muslims all over the wrold. Is this how the figure of growing Islam is calculated?