Rabbis Agree with Ahmadinejad

[Sherrif]

Some are not even allowed in Shuls because they are such an abomination towards Jewish law while "Claiming" to the whole world they represent Orthodox Jewry, and their disgusting interpretation of G-d's laws is correct.

I believe this is more political than religious.

 

[therebbe]

I believe this is more political than religious.

Nope, not at all. When you desecrate the Torah, the word of G-d, and represent yorself as a so called "religious authority" for a vast number of people, but do not follow Jewish Law at all... It is completly religious.

 

[snakelegs]

A variety involving Halacha, Shabbos, Mandetory prayers, ethics, and relations towards both economic, and socialy.

All violations of Jewish Law.

this fringe group is sure popular here!
i know why they don't support zionism, but this is the first time i've heard that they don't follow halacha - what laws of shabbos don't they observe?
do they recognise the shulchan aruch?

 

[therebbe]

halacha - what laws of shabbos don't they observe?

They have spoken on microphones before on Shabbos, missed prayers to go to rallies, and taken buses sometimes there. They have declared some laws invalid, while there rabbi's create laws to suit there needs out of terribly mistranslated and taken out of context verses, and have violated many laws regarding ethics. Some Jews do not support Zionism, but the NK has become a desecration of Hashem's name. The worse part... they lie about it, like they think they can fool G-d!

They have commited many disgusting acts. One reason I particulary do not like them is that many dress as Chasidim, but are not pious, and they misrepresent us.

 

[snakelegs]

They have spoken on microphones before on Shabbos, missed prayers to go to rallies, and taken buses sometimes there. They have declared some laws invalid, while there rabbi's create laws to suit there needs out of terribly mistranslated and taken out of context verses, and have violated many laws regarding ethics. Some Jews do not support Zionism, but the NK has become a desecration of Hashem's name. The worse part... they lie about it, like they think they can fool G-d!

They have commited many disgusting acts. One reason I particulary do not like them is that many dress as Chasidim, but are not pious, and they misrepresent us.

thanks rebbe. i never know this aspect about them!

 

[therebbe]

thanks rebbe. i never know this aspect about them!

Most don't. They are good at fooling people. There was actually information found that they were in Arafat's pay roll at some point.

 

[snakelegs]

Most don't. They are good at fooling people. There was actually information found that they were in Arafat's pay roll at some point.

they are not chasids, right?
they could win a prize for the amount of press coverage they get in relation to their numerical size!

 

[therebbe]

they are not chasids, right?
they could win a prize for the amount of press coverage they get in relation to their numerical size!

Some say they associate themselves with Chassidim, some belong to chassidic groups, but all chassidic groups have formally denounced the NK. Actually, about every denomination in Judaism has denounced them.

 

[Obi-Wan]

...all chassidic groups have formally denounced the NK. Actually, about every denomination in Judaism has denounced them.

Is there a record of this?
Who denounced the NK and when? And how severely did they denounce them?

A professor of Jewish History and an editor of a Jewish newspaper are quoted in the following article. They don't seem to agree with you, therebbe.

http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2003/03/13/neturei_karta/index.html?pn=1

On Saturday, when thousands of antiwar activists converge on the White House, there will be a small, silent group of Hassidic rabbis in black hats and curling sidelocks among them. Because it's the Jewish Sabbath, a day when Orthodox Jews abstain from all work, the rabbis can't take to the podium.

[...]David Biale, a professor of Jewish history at UC-Davis... At the same time, says Biale, the rabbis aren't entirely wrong to see themselves as the last remnant of traditional Judaism, preserving an ancient religion from the spiritual transformations occasioned by the shock of the Holocaust. "If you go back a hundred years, the position Neturei Karta is articulating was the position of most Orthodox authorities," he says. Nor has this position disappeared from all Jewish communities.

[...] J.J. Goldberg, the editor in chief of the Forward, America's preeminent Jewish newspaper, ... "A very substantial proportion of the ultra-Orthodox community shares the rejection of the Zionist notion," Goldberg says

[...] This has left Neturei Karta increasingly marginalized. "They've become a very minor force," Goldberg says. Still, he adds, "they've got some support at the rabbinical level because in a sense they do express a pure ideology of Satmar Hassidism."

BTW,
Neturei Karta may be a minor force, but when Netanyahu visited Monsey in 2002...

Although members of Neturei Karta admit they're a minority in Monsey, most other residents are anti-Zionist to lesser degrees. Last July, when Netanyahu was invited to Monsey to speak, rabbis from 12 local synagogues and rabbinical schools signed a letter saying, "We were astonished to learn that one of the leaders of the Zionist State of Israel was invited to attend a party in our community, and gave a speech there. This entity, which our rabbis have taught us is in opposition to our Torah, and which uproots our religion under the banner of nationalism, is the source of mischief, and is the root cause of all types of suffering experienced by our brethren in the Holy Land, exactly as predicted by our ancient prophets and by our rabbis."

A list of those that signed is here:
www.nkusa.org/Historical_Documents/monsey072302statement.cfm

Are all those synagogues and schools Neturei Karta? If not, then NK does not seem to be ostracised.

Are David Biale and JJ Goldberg wrong?

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

I'm actually a very religious Jew and I would prefer you not call these people "Jews". They disragard a lot of Jewish Law, and they have banished from about every Shul in New York because of their hatred and hypocrisy when it comes to Jewish Law.

Would just like to let you know that calling these people "Rabbi's" is like calling Osama the holiest of Muslims who speaks for all of you.

My apologies. It becomes very confusing when people identify themselves by what they are not.

Ninth Scribe

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

I'm actually a very religious Jew and I would prefer you not call these people "Jews". They disragard a lot of Jewish Law, and they have banished from about every Shul in New York because of their hatred and hypocrisy when it comes to Jewish Law.

Would just like to let you know that calling these people "Rabbi's" is like calling Osama the holiest of Muslims who speaks for all of you.

My apologies. It becomes very confusing when people identify themselves by what they are not.

Fair question: How did these men acquire their title? Did they ordain/appoint themselves?

Ninth Scribe