Radical cleric Anjem Choudary guilty of inviting IS support

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I just ask Allah to rid me off this earth and free me from the scumbags and all the imbeciles treading this earth. So much war and hypocrisy.

What happened to dialogue?
 
startingarabic said:
And (remember) the Day that the enemies of Allah will be gathered to the Fire, so they will be collected there (the first and the last).

That is the recompense of the enemies of Allah - the Fire. For them therein is the home of eternity as recompense for what they, of Our verses, were rejecting.

And Allah is most knowing of your enemies; and sufficient is Allah as an ally, and sufficient is Allah as a helper.

https://quran.com/search?q=enemies+of+Allah
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Can I assume the enemies that you're referencing are Daesh? I mean, they did kill some Muslims. In Mecca. During Ramadan. That last Ramadan, just now, couple of months ago. Seems like the kind of thing no Muslim should ever forget.
 
And never will the Jews or the Christians approve of you until you follow their religion. Say, "Indeed, the guidance of Allah is the [only] guidance." If you were to follow their desires after what has come to you of knowledge, you would have against Allah no protector or helper.2:120


 
And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, 'Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah ?'" He will say, "Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen.5:116


 
Greetings,

Zafran said:
He was born in the UK and should be treated like any other citizen who commits a criminal act.
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Who cares where he was born? He calls for the destruction of everything the UK stands for, and I hope he is thoroughly isolated and never released onto the streets again.

Eric H said:
What is the difference between Choudary and Tony Blair? The Chilcot Report pretty much condemns Mr Blair for radicalising a country to violence.
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I agree. Blair now faces the possibility of legal action following the Chilcot report, and he deserves extensive punishment himself.

Peace
 
This man is just giving islamaphobes another reason to hate Islam. How could you be honored to be one of those to drive the non muslims away from Islam? How ludicrous.
 
Aaqib said:
This man is just giving islamaphobes another reason to hate Islam. How could you be honored to be one of those to drive the non muslims away from Islam? How ludicrous.
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Sometimes I question their intellect. IF you become all hostile and anti'touch' the kuffar, stay away, stuff, you are just contributing to Islamophobia and sending fuel to Islamophobists.

I think it is cuz they've misintrepreted the Quran thinking no contact with kuffar = good muslim. While that isn't true.

When those without intellect or understanding speak, using ayats and making it seem right, that is just.. Bahhh.

But we do not know the full story either. If by hatred they mean denying democracy and their ways, then they are the just as guilty, if not more.
may Allah :swt: forgive me if I said anything wrong. Ameen.

But honestly, The Media is brainwashing both muslims and non muslims.
 
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Took them long enough but they got there in the end!

Good riddance to bad rubbish.
 
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czgibson said:
Who cares where he was born? He calls for the destruction of everything the UK stands for, and I hope he is thoroughly isolated and never released onto the streets again.
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last time I checked he wanted the UK to be a salafi state - A bit like Britain First who want the UK to be an extreme christian state or the BNP a white only state.
 
:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

czgibson said:
Greetings,

Who cares where he was born? He calls for the destruction of everything the UK stands for, and I hope he is thoroughly isolated and never released onto the streets again.
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While I appreciate the sentiment that led to these words, I respectfully disagree with you since the U.K. law doesn't agree with you and the maximum penalty to be given under the law is not in excess of 10 years. The law has absolutely no room to afford the sentiments of any persons wherein rights of an individual is concerned specific to his/her liberty.

Also, even from a practical standpoint, never releasing him onto the streets would not serve any purpose, because right now he stands in the eyes of the U.K. mainstream community as an extremist finally having gotten what was coming to him. However, if any bias or prejudice is seen as coming from the courts due to him being Muslim, then that bias or prejudice will probably color him as a man who was instead wronged.
 
Zafran said:
last time I checked he wanted the UK to be a salafi state - A bit like Britain First who want the UK to be an extreme christian state or the BNP a white only state.
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In fact, people like Choudary are not particularly effective at promoting the IS. It is really a stretch to claim that they are responsible for anything, actually.

The IS have a much better source of growth than radical preachers. The UK (and the US) sponsor lots of "moderate" rebel groups in Syria, who invariably end up radicalizing, just because of the war situation and its inevitable casualties, and then become indistinguishable from the IS. In fact, that is how the IS itself came about: originally a moderate rebel group, funded by the US and the UK, then increasingly radicalized during the civil war, and then declared enemies by their erstwhile sponsors.

The IS will never disappear because the US/UK will just resurrect moderate-rebel-groups-soon-to-become-the-new-IS, in order to fight against Bashar.
 
May Allah preserve and protect those who are sincere in upholding the word of Allah from the fools among the people.
And may Allah's wrath befall those who harm the bearers of witness to the truth and wisdom of Allah's message and bearers of witness to the fact that Muhammad (pbuh) is the messenger of Allah.
 
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czgibson said:
Who cares where he was born? He calls for the destruction of everything the UK stands for, and I hope he is thoroughly isolated and never released onto the streets again.
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He is a citizen of the UK, by the citizenship law of the UK. By discussing whether he is "welcome in the UK", you are implying that he's an outsider, one for whom it's the prerogative of those whom the UK *really* belongs to to either welcome or not welcome. I'm not going to argue about whether Choudary deserves his fate, or whether the rule of law happened in his case.

I'm taking issue with the notion that as a Muslim citizen, I'm not *really* a citizen, one among many citizens who collectively own the country, an equal shareholder of the state; but rather, an outsider who must justify his existence to those who supposedly are the real, rightful owners of the country.
 
Abz2000 said:
May Allah preserve and protect those who are sincere in upholding the word of Allah from the fools among the people.
And may Allah's wrath befall those who harm the bearers of witness to the truth and wisdom of Allah's message and bearers of witness to the fact that Muhammad (pbuh) is the messenger of Allah.
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Yes, it is absolutely absurd to put Choudary in prison. All he did was to suggest a cheaper way to achieve Obama's plan with Syria. Obama funds "moderate" rebel groups to fight Bashar. These "moderate" rebel groups sooner or later radicalize and become something similar to ISIS; or just join ISIS. Why spend a lot of money and use a long detour to do that? Obama should be grateful to Choudary, because his suggestions are a much cheaper way to achieve the same outcome! ;-)
 
Futuwwa said:
I'm taking issue with the notion that as a Muslim citizen, I'm not *really* a citizen, one among many citizens who collectively own the country, an equal shareholder of the state; but rather, an outsider who must justify his existence to those who supposedly are the real, rightful owners of the country.
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I am clearly in the same predicament. I also always fail to justify my existence! ;-)
 
Check who Allah justifies, and emulate the concept like liquid metal, but remember - truth is better than falsehood.

 
Futuwwa said:
If you even attempt to, you implicitly accept the premise that you need to do so, whereby you have already lost.
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I am attempting to go on pilgrimage this year, i need to receive my inheritance and sell it, if i lose, then God knows the situation of those who fall below that standard or don't even make an effort, they must be COMPLETE AND UTTER LOSERS.

Narrated Sad:
I heard the Prophet saying, "None plots against the people of Medina (the people who believed in the truth of Muhammad pbuh's prophethood and strove for Allah's sake) but that he will be dissolved (destroyed) like the salt is dissolved in water."

*Bukhari* - Volume 3, Book 30



http://i-cias.com/textarchive/bukhari/030.htm
 
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