Raising the hands in Du'aa after the 5 daily Prayers

[MinAhlilHadeeth]

Ahhhhhhh.

What? Sorry was I being harsh?:hiding:

 

[S_87]

Ahhhhhhh.

whats wrong sister/

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

From the fatwa committee:



So does this mean you have something from the Prophet salAllaahu 'alayhi wa sallam to support this act then? Otherwise akhee, you are simply following your 'aql/hawwaa. And Islam is not based upon that.

lol im not gonna lie, but my parents have ulama who ive learned to trust and throughout our whole life they've taught us its sunnah to make dua' after every salaah but never have they said after fard because when we pray we make dua' after all the rakaah's (including sunnah rakaah's).

so to be honest i never had a habit of making dua' after fard anyway, i normally read ayatul kursi and then get up... but i said let me research into it because i wanted to ask those teachers for their opinion (which for all i know could agree with this) and if in opposition to provide their view with proof :hiding:

 

[MinAhlilHadeeth]

lol im not gonna lie, but my parents have ulama who ive learned to trust and throughout our whole life they've taught us its sunnah to make dua' after every salaah but never have they said after fard because when we pray we make dua' after all the rakaah's (including sunnah rakaah's).

so to be honest i never had a habit of making dua' after fard anyway, i normally read ayatul kursi and then get up... but i said let me research into it because i wanted to ask those teachers for their opinion (which for all i know could agree with this) and if in opposition to provide their view with proof :hiding:

Ok inshaAllah. If they provide you with something from the authentic Sunnah, then khayr. I was commenting on the 'I seriously doubt it's a bid'ah'. That seemed like to me, that you had some proof to suggest it was something established in the deen. But keep on researching inshaAllah.

 

[Pk_#2]

What? Sorry was I being harsh?:hiding:

no not you imsad

I just getting confused i just do dua all the time after my prayers :'(

I never heard of this before imsadimsad

 

[MinAhlilHadeeth]

Muhammad Al Shareef makes a good point on this subject, here.

:wasalamex

But how can we do any act of worship that the Prophet did not do, or agreed to? Did he provide a hadeeth where a companion did it infront of the Prophet and the Prophet did not object? If not, I would abstain from it, since Muhammad Al Shareef is a student of Knowledge, whilst this fatwa is from a committee of major Scholars.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

jazakALlah khair bro alpha dude, my own bro says the same,

he says dont do somethin so excessively that it seems obligatory, but do it moderately and its all good and in this case it WONT be bid'a coz its got place in "SHARIAH LAW" and its somethin ur doing to please Allah!


sis muwahhidah may Allah reward you

sis UMMA WASAT< dont get all confused, KNOWLEDGE IS THE CURE TO DOUBT

 

[MinAhlilHadeeth]

KNOWLEDGE IS THE CURE TO DOUBT

Very true.

 

[MinAhlilHadeeth]

I agree with IAH's post on this matter.

You are entitled to your opinion, but know that bid'ah is of two types. The second type is:

The Second Type: Innovation in the acts of worship; Such as worshipping Allaah with an act of worship which is not legislated. And it has divisions,

The first division: It has no origin (asl) in worship, rather it is a newly invented form of worship having no origin in the law (Shar'); Such as inventing prayer not legislated, or fasts not having a Sharee'ah legislated origin, or days of celebration such as the celebration of birthdays, and other than that.

The second division: What exists from additions in the legislated worship, like if one were to add a fifth raka'ah in the Noon (Dhuhr) prayer, or the afternoon ('Asr) prayer for example.

The third division: What exists in the characteristics of carrying out legislated worship. To perform it on a manner not legislated; such as carrying out legislated remembrances (Adhkaar singular: Dhikr) in simultaneous and melodious voices, and such as being extreme on oneself in worship to the point of leaving from the Sunnah of the Messenger (sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam).

The fourth division: What exists from specification of a time for legislated worship which was not specified by the law (shar') such as specifying the middle night of Sha'abaan and it's day for fasting and prayer. So verily fasting and praying have a basis in the Religion, but specifying them to a time from amongst the times is in need of a proof.​

This is an extract from the following post:
http://www.islamicboard.com/734968-post6.html

So I agree with the fatwa committee on this one.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

^ we've already said its not even about specifying it, we just sometimes get happy and feel close to Allah so we wanna raise our hands and ask Allah for something hoping for it to get accepted. We dont do this understanding that asking Allah for help is sunnah, therefore there is space in shariah for it...

Allahu a'lam

lets not discuss it nemore, seriously its getting drawn out

 

[MinAhlilHadeeth]

^ we've already said its not even about specifying it, we just sometimes get happy and feel close to Allah so we wanna raise our hands and ask Allah for something hoping for it to get accepted. We dont do this understanding that asking Allah for help is sunnah, therefore there is space in shariah for it...

Allahu a'lam

To my understanding, this fatwa (based on other fataawa that I have read) is talking about making it in to a sort of ritual. Like doing this habitually. And remember that just because you don't think something is Sunnah, it doesn't mean there is space for it in the Sunnah. Allahu A'lam.

lets not discuss it nemore, seriously its getting drawn out

Sure, fine.

 

[MinAhlilHadeeth]

But, Muhammad Alshareef mentioned that we are NOT setting that time out specifically, we're not making it obligatory on anybody...it's not being legislated, so how can it be considered something of the following type?

Do you mean, once in a while when you feel like it you raise your hand after the salaah? If so, then no it wouldn't fit into that category. I was referring to those who raise their hand after every salah, or every fardh salah, habitually, yet do not say that it is sunnah or legislated, etc. Because that's still specifying a time for raising your hands after salah that Allah and His Messenger did not specify. You're specifying it through your actions.

 

[Silver Pearl]

:wasalamex

Aswad bin Amir narrates; I prayed the Fajr behind the Messenger of Allah (Salallahu aleyhi was sallam).When he finished it with the salutation, he turned himself, raised his hands and made a supplication.
(Tabarani in Mujam al Kabir)

Abdullah ibn Zubayr (Allah be pleased with him) a person raising his handsand supplicating before he completed his prayer. When he ended his prayer, he said to him: “The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) never used to raise his handsuntil after completing his prayer.” (Recorded by Tabrani in his al-Mu’jam, and authenticated by al-Haythami in Majma’ al-Zawaid)

There are many ahadeeth that shows that the prophet (may the peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him, his household and his companions and those who follow him) raised his hands after prayers. There is a difference between saying it is permissible and saying it is fard. I don't know anyone who holds the opinion that it is fard, however, many agree that it is permissible.

It shows that there is two sides to this, there is little benefit in quarreling about a matter that even scholars could not all agree upon.

We should really focus on things that will bring us closer to Allaah, arguing about matters of fiqh when we are ignorant is not going to do us any favours.

Wa Allaahu'3llaam.

 

[MinAhlilHadeeth]

Some more fataawa....

With regard to du’aa’ after the salaam, what the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to do is to say, after finishing the prayer: Astghfir Allaah, astaghfir Allaah astaghfir Allaah (I seek the forgiveness of Allaah, I seek the forgiveness of Allaah, I seek the forgiveness of Allaah). Then he would say all the dhikrs that are narrated at this time. See question no. 7646.

Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

There is no saheeh report to say that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to raise his hands following an obligatory prayer, or that his companions (may Allaah have mercy on them) did that, as far as we know. What some people do, raising their hands after the prayer, is a bid’aah (innovation) for which there is no basis.

Al-Fataawa, 1/74.

Source




Question: I have heard that after the obligatory prayer, one should offer a supplication, because that is the time that supplications are accepted the most. Is this True? Is it particularly recommended to offer supplications after offering our formal prayers?

Answered by Sheikh Muhammad b. Sâlih al-`Uthaymîn

It is not prescribed for a person upon completing prayer to raise his hands in supplication. If the person wishes to offer supplications, he should know that offering the supplication while in prayer is better than offering it after completing the prayer.

This is what our Prophet (peace be upon him) guided us to. In a hadîth narrated by Ibn Mas`ûd, when the Prophet (peace be upon him) mentioned completing the tashahhud, he said: “Then he should offer any supplication that he wishes.” [Sahîh al-Bukhârî and Sahîh Muslim]

What we see some people doing is that every time they offer a prayer, as soon as they say the taslîm they invariably raise their hands. Sometimes they do so for such a brief moment that is scarcely enough time to actually supplicate – but is more like a formality of raising the hands – and then some of them wipe their faces. They offer up this practice after each prayer to preserve what they think is a prescribed act of supplication.

However, no such act is prescribed. Making such an unwavering habit of doing so actually becomes an innovation.

And Allah knows best.

Source




By Sheikh `Abd al-Rahmân al-`Ajlân, lecturer at the Grand Mosque in Mecca

With respect to the five obligatory prayers, the scholars have determined that it is not best to supplicate immediately thereafter. This is because there is something else which is strongly encouraged for us to engage in at that time – the prescribed remembrances. It is not recommended for the worshipper to busy himself with something else – even something that is good in and of itself – at the expense of a prescribed Sunnah.

With respect to the time after completing a voluntary prayer, there is nothing specifically mentioned in the Sunnah to recommend it as a time to single out for supplications. Therefore, we should not treat it as a special time to set aside for our supplications.

However, the time after one makes the taslîm form a voluntary prayer is just like any other time. A person is free to supplicate at this time as the inclination takes him. Supplication is a generally encouraged form of worship.

And Allah knows best.

Source

 

[00:00]

SO it's not part of the sunnah to raise your hands in dua. than why do ppl do it? and when did this practise start ppl raising their hands after prayer.

 

[Silver Pearl]

SO it's not part of the sunnah to raise your hands in dua. than why do ppl do it? and when did this practise start ppl raising their hands after prayer.

:salamext:


Abdullah ibn Zubayr (Allah be pleased with him) a person raising his handsand supplicating before he completed his prayer. When he ended his prayer, he said to him: “The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) never used to raise his hands until after completing his prayer.” (Recorded by Tabrani in his al-Mu’jam, and authenticated by al-Haythami in Majma’ al-Zawaid)

There are no ulama here, just us ignorant individuals. We are blind ourselves and have no authority to lead the blind. Speak to a sheikh of your local Masjid Inshallaah.

Ya rabb, Indeed we slaves are straying, so guide us, forgive us and have mercy on our weak souls.

 

[MinAhlilHadeeth]

SO it's not part of the sunnah to raise your hands in dua. than why do ppl do it? and when did this practise start ppl raising their hands after prayer.

No. What this fatwa and others state is that it is not Sunnah to:

Raising the hands in duaa (supplication) after the 5 prayers

raise his hands following an obligatory prayer

upon completing prayer to raise his hands in supplication

Because:

With respect to the time after completing a voluntary prayer, there is nothing specifically mentioned in the Sunnah to recommend it as a time to single out for supplications. Therefore, we should not treat it as a special time to set aside for our supplications.

no such act is prescribed. Making such an unwavering habit of doing so actually becomes an innovation.

 

[00:00]

No. What this fatwa and others state is that it is not Sunnah to:

Quote:
Raising the hands in duaa (supplication) after the 5 prayers

From this hadith it says that the Prophet did.

Abdullah ibn Zubayr (Allah be pleased with him) a person raising his handsand supplicating before he completed his prayer. When he ended his prayer, he said to him: “The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) never used to raise his hands until after completing his prayer.” (Recorded by Tabrani in his al-Mu’jam, and authenticated by al-Haythami in Majma’ al-Zawaid)

 

[MinAhlilHadeeth]

:salamext:
There are no ulama here, just us ignorant individuals. We are blind ourselves and have no authority to lead the blind. Speak to a sheikh of your local Masjid Inshallaah.

Ya rabb, Indeed we slaves are straying, so guide us, forgive us and have mercy on our weak souls.

:wasalamex

True. Which is why I choose to follow the fataawah of all these scholars. You've quoted ahadeeth from at-Tabaraani, yet we can't really know whether those ahadeeth are saheeh. Because we are ignorant individuals. In fact, some aspects of the science of ahadeeth were only mstered by only the top muhaditheen, such as spotting an 'illah. So it's not simply a matter of quoting a hadeeth and saying al-Haythami authenticated it. But to each his own. If you have seen fataawa by other scholars who say this is permissible, then feel free to follow that. I'd personally stay away from something that some scholars are calling a bid'ah because of the severity of this.

 

[Silver Pearl]

:wasalamex

True. Which is why I choose to follow the fataawah of all these scholars. You've quoted ahadeeth from at-Tabaraani, yet we can't really know whether those ahadeeth are saheeh. Because we are ignorant individuals. In fact, some aspects of the science of ahadeeth were only mstered by only the top muhaditheen, such as spotting an 'illah. So it's not simply a matter of quoting a hadeeth and saying al-Haythami authenticated it. But to each his own. If you have seen fataawa by other scholars who say this is permissible, then feel free to follow that. I'd personally stay away from something that some scholars are calling a bid'ah because of the severity of this.

:wasalamex

Al-Haythami (rahimullaah) was amongst the great scholars of Islaam and may Allaah reward him immensely for his efforts. So his ruling on the hadeeth puts alot of weight, its not just any random individual. It is upto each individual whose opinion they follow. To each to his own as you stated