Recently discovered Science in the 1400 yr old Qur'an

If this was in response to my post, than I m afraid that U missed the point I was trying to make.

Even title of this thread is misleading, it says "Recently discovered Science in the 1400 yr old Qur'an". I just asked when ALLAH revealed all in holy quran through the holy prophet than how come that those facts are discovered recently? Were the revealations not understood during time of the holy prophet? And this is a absure comment in itself.

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I don't know, you'll have to take that up with the thread starter, my comments were directly to the ignoramus who googles facts without verifying them against science.

I think early Islamic societies were very enlightened and cultivated.. everyone goes through a rise and fall.. such as the case with the not so 'holy roman empire'
To be honest, I find the lot of you more interested in splitting hair than taking an interest in history, early science or achievements.. Which is fine but you can see how that is tedious for the rest of us?.. you can always accept that there is such a thing as Boerhaave's syndrome, but wouldn't it be interesting to also know that Dr. Boerhaave didn't know what that syndrome was when the admiral in his care died of it? I am sure throughout history folks have died of said syndrome.. it isn't a new discovery by the Dr. whose name it bears, and even he who allegedly suffered first from it couldn't be cured by the doctor who named it.. you can read, and learn or you can argue until you have no clue what it is you are arguing for or against or even for what purpose (although the purpose is obvious to the rest of us)!

all the best!
 
I thought you were going to take a hike from this thread? You are so predictable, once your crap is debunked you come up with new ****. This thread isn't about India or China, or the Romans, although there are extensive threads written by Christians like George Saliba on how Muslims improved and corrected Grecian works, it is irrelevant to the subject matter and the thread title and this very forum.

If you want to learn about the achievements of China or India, then go on an Indian forum, though undoubtedly you'd be vexed just given your nature, two days into it, and bring them some other irrelevant crap about how the Suomi and the Norse nomads invented it first...

pls stop embarrassing and exposing yourself for the airhead that you are.. and read a book before you write!

all the best

So let me get this straight, you posit that noone knew the earth circled the sun so the knowledge must have come from Allah, and thus the fact that Greeks knew the earth circled the sun and the Indians knew the earth circled the sun YEARS before the Qu'ran was revealed is irrelevant.

You say that at this time there was no civilisation but Islam and thus ALL the other civilisations that existed in the world at this time are irrelevant.

You say that Mohammed was the first physician, thus all the other physicians who existed in the world before him are irrelevant.



Why do I not go on the Indian and Chinese forms to tell them what they already know, why? They already know it! You on the other hand are quite clearly ignorant of basic history. So you are the one I needed to tell.
 
I don't know, you'll have to take that up with the thread starter, my comments were directly to the ignoramus who googles facts without verifying them against science.

I think early Islamic societies were very enlightened and cultivated.. everyone goes through a rise and fall.. such as the case with the not so 'holy roman empire'
To be honest, I find the lot of you more interested in splitting hair than taking an interest in history, early science or achievements.. Which is fine but you can see how that is tedious for the rest of us?.. you can always accept that there is such a thing as Boerhaave's syndrome, but wouldn't it be interesting to also know that Dr. Boerhaave didn't know what that syndrome was when the admiral in his care died of it? I am sure throughout history folks have died of said syndrome.. it isn't a new discovery by the Dr. whose name it bears, and even he who allegedly suffered first from it couldn't be cured by the doctor who named it.. you can read, and learn or you can argue until you have no clue what it is you are arguing for or against or even for what purpose (although the purpose is obvious to the rest of us)!

all the best!

U obviously doesnt seem interested in giving a simple answer to an equally simple question. Anyways, as U wish, I m sure someone will come ahead with a logical reply.

Peace.
 
Did the greeks and the indians also know about the creation of the universe and the current state of our universe and the final state of our universe?



So let me get this straight, you posit that noone knew the earth circled the sun so the knowledge must have come from Allah, and thus the fact that Greeks knew the earth circled the sun and the Indians knew the earth circled the sun YEARS before the Qu'ran was revealed is irrelevant.

You say that at this time there was no civilisation but Islam and thus ALL the other civilisations that existed in the world at this time are irrelevant.

You say that Mohammed was the first physician, thus all the other physicians who existed in the world before him are irrelevant.



Why do I not go on the Indian and Chinese forms to tell them what they already know, why? They already know it! You on the other hand are quite clearly ignorant of basic history. So you are the one I needed to tell.
 
So let me get this straight, you posit that noone knew the earth circled the sun so the knowledge must have come from Allah, and thus the fact that Greeks knew the earth circled the sun and the Indians knew the earth circled the sun YEARS before the Qu'ran was revealed is irrelevant.

You say that at this time there was no civilisation but Islam and thus ALL the other civilisations that existed in the world at this time are irrelevant.

You say that Mohammed was the first physician, thus all the other physicians who existed in the world before him are irrelevant.



Why do I not go on the Indian and Chinese forms to tell them what they already know, why? They already know it! You on the other hand are quite clearly ignorant of basic history. So you are the one I needed to tell.

Ah, the cries of a desperate man.. You are running out of ammo, and if you have nothing to impart as pertains to the thread, to the topic at hand and to the board of which you are a member, then again I say do take your own advise and buzz off?...
as for the orbit of the earth, the sun or their shapes.. well if it were common knowledge why was Roger the II of Sicily so adamant about crushing the globe that Muhammad al-Idrisi al-Qurtubi gave him citing the world is flat? Can't really have it both ways can you? claim it was common knowledge, especially born to that part of the world, and yet have ignorant kings (rulers of people) asserting otherwise even though it was common knowledge. I suggest to you, just like your blunder with human embryology previously where you have failed to even acknowledge your error.. to just walk away before further humiliation befalls you..

Your comments and questions are as puerile as you are, it is a wonder why I even engage.. I guess I get a slight joy in seeing you squirm to put something so asinine together!


U obviously doesnt seem interested in giving a simple answer to an equally simple question. Anyways, as U wish, I m sure someone will come ahead with a logical reply.

Peace.

Justhumane.. I have given you quite the germane reply to what was proposed.. If you don't like it, frankly that is your problem.
The one that should be obvious here, is your awful syntax, perhaps the problem is your basic understanding of what was written rather than the relevancy of my reply to the topic.. Again, when you run out of ammo, you give the fifty page byway.


All the best!
 
Justhumane.. I have given you quite the germane reply to what was proposed.. If you don't like it, frankly that is your problem.
The one that should be obvious here, is your awful syntax, perhaps the problem is your basic understanding of what was written rather than the relevancy of my reply to the topic.. Again, when you run out of ammo, you give the fifty page byway.

Peace to U Gossamer Skye,


Well sister thanks for pointing out my awful syntax, and I admit it too. I dont have even average control over english language, just like I dont know about arabic or persian and hundreds of other languages.

But I m sure that with ur excellent knowledge about english and subject at hand, U are capable enough to give a suitable reply to my quarry in a way which I could understand comfortably.

For ur convienience here is my question,

Since ALLAH had revealed all scientific facts to his messenger the holy prophet some 1400 years ago, how come western world and even muslims themselves claim that those facts have been discovered very recently??? Because no one could understand holy quran better than the holy prophet and khulfa E rashidun, those scientific facts should had been documented during the time of the holy prophet, and muslims should have known them at the time of revealation only. What went wrong that this couldnt happen???

I m sorry again for my awfully flawed syntax, but request U to plz bear with it and try to answer me in a way which I could understand.


Holy Quran 16:125-Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance.

Peace to U.
 
Ah, the cries of a desperate man.. You are running out of ammo, and if you have nothing to impart as pertains to the thread, to the topic at hand and to the board of which you are a member, then again I say do take your own advise and buzz off?...
as for the orbit of the earth, the sun or their shapes.. well if it were common knowledge why was Roger the II of Sicily so adamant about crushing the globe that Muhammad al-Idrisi al-Qurtubi gave him citing the world is flat? Can't really have it both ways can you? claim it was common knowledge, especially born to that part of the world, and yet have ignorant kings (rulers of people) asserting otherwise even though it was common knowledge. I suggest to you, just like your blunder with human embryology previously where you have failed to even acknowledge your error.. to just walk away before further humiliation befalls you..

So was Roger of Sicily a Greek astronomer? Probably not. Was he an Indian astronomer? Not with a name like Roger, so how is he germane to the fact that people knew that the earth moved round the sun before the Qu'ran?
And why is the sun orbiting mentioned in the same sentence as the moon orbiting if the orbits are totally different and about a different centre?
 
And how did the Qur'an come to state that the universe was a singularity at the start, is currently expanding and predict the end of the universe?

Did the greek and indian astronomers tell Muhammad (Peace be upon Him) also?
 
And how did the Qur'an come to state that the universe was a singularity at the start, is currently expanding and predict the end of the universe?

Did the greek and indian astronomers tell Muhammad (Peace be upon Him) about those also?
 
The Scientific Miracles of the Qur'an

THE EXPANDING EARTH

Allah is the light of the heavens and the Earth. The metaphor of His light is that of a niche in which is a lamp, the lamp inside a glass, the glass like a brilliant star, lit from a blessed tree, an olive, neither of the east nor of the west, its oil all but giving off light even if no fire touches it. Light upon light. Allah guides to His light whoever He wills and Allah makes metaphors for mankind and Allah has knowledge of all things. (Surat an-Nur, 35)

Quasar is the name given to extremely dense and bright bodies that look like stars and emit radio waves in space. Quasars are the brightest known bodies in the universe. The brightness of the brightest quasar in the universe is more than 2 trillion times greater than that of the Sun (2x1012); it is approximately 100 times greater than the total light emitted by a galaxy such as the Milky Way.1

The word "noor" in the verse means “light, brightness, daylight, shining, illumination.” The light referred to in the verse is suggestive, in terms of its brightness, of these celestial bodies known as quasars. Because other expressions in the verse describe the visibility of quasar light and the source of that light in the very wisest terms. (Allah knows the truth.)

The word “durriyyun”, meaning “bright,” in the expression "kaannaha kawkabun durriyyun” in the verse, itself meaning “like a brilliant star,” is highly compatible with the scientific description of quasars as “bright, stellar bodies”.2 In addition, the verse speaks of “giving off light even if no fire touches it.” It is probable that this is a reference to the way quasars burn without fire - nuclear fusion. Since oxygen is not naturally present in space, there can be no question of the brightness of quasars having anything to do with fire. The burning taking place here does so as hydrogen atoms are compressed and produce helium. The energy released during this process then illuminates space.

The expression “light upon light” in the verse may well be a reference to the “gravitational lens effect” in astronomy. (Allah knows the truth.) Many astronomers investigating the sources of light in the universe will easily understand this description in the verse. The effect in question refers to the way light from a source behind a body with a very dense mass, such as a black hole, departs under the effect of that dense body and reaches us. It appears that there is therefore more than one source of light of the images we see. Due to this “gravitational lens effect,” an object appears to be somewhere different to where it actually is, and in greater numbers.

The term “a niche in which is a lamp” in the verse may be interpreted as the niche being the area of gravitational lens effect of a black hole. (Allah knows the truth.) It is significant that in describing the effect that arises, NASA scientists use the analogy of the effect of a drinking glass:

The gravitational effect of the galaxy on the distant quasar was similar to the lens effect of a drinking glass on a distant street light – it created multiple images lenses here too.3

In his book The Whole Shebang, regarded as one of the leading books of the 20th century by the New York Times, the science writer Timothy Ferris clarifies the subject as follows:

As light from a Quasar travels towards us… it may pass through either side of an intervening cluster of galaxies. The warped space surrounding the cluster can act as a lens, with a result that we see two images of what is (or was) actually one quasar.4

The reference in the verse to “light on light” may be a description of reflected light forming more than one image. In addition, the term “neither of the east nor of the west” in the verse is in all likelihood a reference to the uncertainty of the light’s source. (Allah knows the truth.)

Quasars are the brightest objects in the universe, and are the nuclei of growing galaxies with the black holes in their center. Black holes, that arise as the result of the contraction of stars and gasses belonging to galaxies, are the source of quasar energy. Quasars’ brightness is spread by stars falling into the black holes at the centers of galaxies.5 Thinking of the “lamp” in the verse as a quasar, the “niche” may well be a reference to the “black hole” that feeds the quasar. (Allah knows the truth.)

Einstein suggested that due to the effect described as the “gravitational lens,” bodies in space could bend light and that it was possible for an observer to see several images from one single source.6 However, this effect was only observed for the first time in the quasar known as the “Twin Quasar” in 1979. Quasars were first discovered in 1963, 14 centuries after the revelation of the Qur’an. The status of the heavenly bodies described in verse 35 of Surat an-Nur is in surprising agreement with our current scientific knowledge. This and a great many other scientific miracles are clear proof that the Qur’an is the revelation of our Omniscient Lord, the Creator of all things.



1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quasar

2 http://www.thefreedictionary.com/quasar; http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap951022.html

3 http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap950711.html

4 Timothy Ferris, The Whole Shebang, 1997, p. 61.

5 http://www.tiscali.co.uk/reference/encyclopaedia/hutchinson/m0028790.html; http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/quasars.html

6 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_lensing

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