Reid heckled during Muslim speech

[Keltoi]

hmm... and thats why parents are now getting suspicious of there own children when they pray, grow a beard or wear a jubba howevre radicallised they arent or are, and thats why youth are increasingly bieng pressured to integrate... thanks for clearing that up, its just so obvious now i look at it...

you obviously dont know the reality, so dont pretend you do

The reality is that there are people being radicalized in Great Britain, and the Muslim community has a responsibility to themselves, and the country they have chosen to become citizens of, to be aware of this reality and to help authorities when possible. You can make all the excuses you want, but that is the reality.

 

[Ghazi]

radicalized

whats your definiton please list everything that would make someone a radical.

 

[Keltoi]

whats your definiton please list everything that would make someone a radical.

Let's see....

1. A belief that God wants you to kill Christians.

2. That blowing up trains full of innocent people is a good idea.

3. That blowing up airplanes with explosives is a good idea.

4. That is their religious obligation to do these things.

It could go on and on. It isn't a hard thing to get your head around.

 

[I R Paki]

Terrorists bombed the World Trade centre in 1993

Terrorists bombed the US embassies in Africa in 1998

Terrorists destroyed the World Tade center in 2001

The war is on terrorists.

Dam right. The muslims in the UK are just too stupid to work that out, a majority are brainwashed by these physchos who want to commit suicide. I like in the UK, I dont have a problem praying, boarding a bus and I have experinced any racial/ discriminating abuse towards me. Every school in the UK is taught to have respect for every race, religion and creed and is strongly supported. Right now, muslims are only thinking of what bad has happened, and not looking at their lives in the UK, and now they are throwing abuse at the country which have funded THEIR welfare for so many years?
The majority of the muslims on this thread seem like Pessimistic people. I support what Muezzin said.

 

[Keltoi]

LOL. You could have a bit more respect for muslims here, otherwise I agree with you.

I have respect for Muslims, this is about individuals. I didn't intend to be disrespectful, only showing my frustration with some things I read on here.

 

[Muezzin]

People, can we please stay on topic?

 

[Mr. Baldy]

The reality is that there are people being radicalized in Great Britain, and the Muslim community has a responsibility to themselves, and the country they have chosen to become citizens of, to be aware of this reality and to help authorities when possible. You can make all the excuses you want, but that is the reality.

ok well, why is it that facist groups like the NF rebranded as the BNP are still allowed to exist, but peacful and intellectual groups that speak out in britain are banned?

and who is doing the radicallising? why are muslims being radicallised? just for laughs eh?

the muslims in this community have a responsibilty to stand up against oppression and continous attacks on our people and countries on an intellectual format, not to become chamchaas of this society.

 

[Rou]

Let's see....

1. A belief that God wants you to kill Christians.

2. That blowing up trains full of innocent people is a good idea.

3. That blowing up airplanes with explosives is a good idea.

4. That is their religious obligation to do these things.

It could go on and on. It isn't a hard thing to get your head around.

wow thats amazing none of those actully relate to a real muslim or islam at all!??

well then its settled muslims ha nothing to do with this some blokes who are messed up in the head did this...

 

[Keltoi]

wow thats amazing none of those actully relate to a real muslim or islam at all!??

well then its settled muslims ha nothing to do with this some blokes who are messed up in the head did this...

I'm glad you believe those who have committed such acts aren't Muslims. Unfortunately, they believe they are. It doesn't do anybody any good to continue to live in denial about what some in the Muslim community have committed in the name of Islam. You can point fingers, pass blame, change the subject, etc. That doesn't change a simple reality that we are all having to deal with now. The British government has the expectation that Muslims living in the U.K will respect their laws and aid them in protecting felllow British citizens from terrorist attacks. That isn't too much to ask.

 

[Rou]

I'm glad you believe those who have committed such acts aren't Muslims. Unfortunately, they believe they are. It doesn't do anybody any good to continue to live in denial about what some in the Muslim community have committed in the name of Islam. You can point fingers, pass blame, change the subject, etc. That doesn't change a simple reality that we are all having to deal with now. The British government has the expectation that Muslims living in the U.K will respect their laws and aid them in protecting felllow British citizens from terrorist attacks. That isn't too much to ask.

:? errr hmm denial ok.....

indeed the muslim community is taking steps that its own people know how to live in peace and by the religon that is stated i fail to see why we must answer for psycos who attack planes and innocents...

on the other hand freedom fighters fighting in there own land for freedom they are diffrent from terrorists just to clarify.

oh an also there are many people who call themselves christians who are in iraq and afgan killing alot of innocents and also many who are in the USA who harm oh so many innocents and rape and kill and alot of them are psycos...

the muslim community is doing quite alot to make educate many...

could you sort the rest of the nutters out...

sorry if this seems sarcastic but its fact if muslims have to take the brunt of some psycos on a plane can you take the brunt of the majority of american troops who are screwing up iraq and afgan!??

and also the nutters in america who are spreading nothing but drugs and single mother families around!?

i mean as you said we should not be in denial right!?

 

[Mr. Baldy]

I'm glad you believe those who have committed such acts aren't Muslims. Unfortunately, they believe they are. It doesn't do anybody any good to continue to live in denial about what some in the Muslim community have committed in the name of Islam. You can point fingers, pass blame, change the subject, etc. That doesn't change a simple reality that we are all having to deal with now. The British government has the expectation that Muslims living in the U.K will respect their laws and aid them in protecting felllow British citizens from terrorist attacks. That isn't too much to ask.

the same laws that say a muslim can be arrested just for looking suspicious and locked up for 28 days without trial. the same laws that say a muslim is glorifying terrorism if s/he shows there support for there muslim brothers across the world. the same laws that allow non muslims to talk about issues like palestine but when a muslim does it, hes locked up. the same laws that enable the USA to pick up any muslim from britain they want and extradite im to guantanmo bay and keep him there indeffinatley. the same laws that protect sikhism, judaism and hinduism but islam is not, so if i go and speak out against any of those religions i can be arrested, but a non-muslim can say anything he likes about islam and hes just using his right of freedom of speech.

yes, i can see why muslims would respect those laws.

 

[Dawud_uk]

Oh please, that is ridicluous. Nobody cares whether the children are "practicing" Muslims, what people do care about are practicing Muslims becoming radicalized Muslims. I still believe there is a huge difference. Hopefully you do too.

keltoi,

i know of a brother who worked in the british home office. there policy when somali refugees started turning up in the UK was to break them up.

there policy was formulated to stop the relatively practicing somalis becoming a strong practicing community here in the uk that would therefore affect the non-muslims and non-practicing muslims around them.

however the policy backfired because these 'water down' somali communities still altered the communities around them and set up and reformed mosques in their areas, many of the muslims in those areas becomming much more practicing.

the same brother also now says they have reversed the policy to limit the damage the somali community can do on the those around them by trying to limit them to certain cities so that the damage of more practicing muslims altering others behaviour at least doesnt affect more than these cities.

Abu Abdullah

 

[KAding]

the same laws that say a muslim can be arrested just for looking suspicious and locked up for 28 days without trial. the same laws that say a muslim is glorifying terrorism if s/he shows there support for there muslim brothers across the world. the same laws that allow non muslims to talk about issues like palestine but when a muslim does it, hes locked up.
the same laws that enable the USA to pick up any muslim from britain they want and extradite im to guantanmo bay and keep him there indeffinatley.

Ehm. No. What makes you say a non-Muslim cannot be held 28 days on terrorism suspicions without being charged? Clearly those 'same laws' do not single out Muslims and they are equally applicable to ALL citizens.

That IS the law. Your problem is not with the laws but how you perceive them to be used by the law enforcement agencies. This is a whole different matter. You still have no reason to disrespect these laws. The reason why no non-Muslims have been arrested on terrorism charges and held for 28 days is that no non-Muslims have been found plotting to blow up infrastructure and people. Clearly the British know very well that non-Muslims are capable of such acts, just look at the IRA. I don't doubt they will use it if they find Irish terrorists plotting to, say, blow up civilian airliners.

the same laws that protect sikhism, judaism and hinduism but islam is not, so if i go and speak out against any of those religions i can be arrested, but a non-muslim can say anything he likes about islam and hes just using his right of freedom of speech.

I agree with you on this. Britain is making a huge mistake implementing all these anti-discrimination laws and limits on free speech. Criticising religion, any religion, should be possible in a free country. Attempts to ban such speech in name of religious and cultural sensitvities opens up the path towards authoritarianism.

yes, i can see why muslims would respect those laws.

You should follow those laws. If you do not agree with them we have established means to change them, namely through public debate and parliament. If that is not good enough for some, I suggest they find a new place of residence.

 

[Mr. Baldy]

Ehm. No. What makes you say a non-Muslim cannot be held 28 days on terrorism suspicions without being charged? Clearly those 'same laws' do not single out Muslims and they are equally applicable to ALL citizens.

please, its naive to think that these laws arent specifically targetting muslims, and we both know it.

That IS the law. Your problem is not with the laws but how you perceive them to be used by the law enforcement agencies. This is a whole different matter. You still have no reason to disrespect these laws. The reason why no non-Muslims have been arrested on terrorism charges and held for 28 days is that no non-Muslims have been found plotting to blow up infrastructure and people. Clearly the British know very well that non-Muslims are capable of such acts, just look at the IRA. I don't doubt they will use it if they find Irish terrorists plotting to, say, blow up civilian airliners.

the brothers feom forestgate were cleared of all charges, the brothers from high wycombe were cleared of all charges, the brothers from london were cleared from all charges, the brothers from birmingham were cleared from all charges. so tell me, who is plotting to blow up infrastructure?

I agree with you on this. Britain is making a huge mistake implementing all these anti-discrimination laws and limits on free speech. Criticising religion, any religion, should be possible in a free country. Attempts to ban such speech in name of religious and cultural sensitvities opens up the path towards authoritarianism.

then really, were not agreed are we? see i would not allow you to insult islam in any way.

You should follow those laws. If you do not agree with them we have established means to change them, namely through public debate and parliament. If that is not good enough for some, I suggest they find a new place of residence.

well, islam has its own laws, its called the shariah. but why is that the west does not want muslims to determine there own political destiny?

 

[wilberhum]

its naive to think that these laws arent specifically targetting muslims

Is the target set to only fit Muslims or is it a case that only Muslims fit the target?

 

[Keltoi]

Is the target set to only fit Muslims or is it a case that only Muslims fit the target?

That gets right to the point. Nobody is saying all Muslims fit this criteria, but the harsh reality is that some do. These laws are meant to protect the British people from terrorist attacks, and that includes protecting Muslims there from terrorist attacks. Attacking these laws on the basis of some anti-Muslim conspiracy is faulty to the extreme, and ignores the basic reality of terrorist threat.

 

[Hijrah]

Assalamualaikum,

would u say things like this are worse in Britain than in America?

 

[Rou]

That gets right to the point. Nobody is saying all Muslims fit this criteria, but the harsh reality is that some do. These laws are meant to protect the British people from terrorist attacks, and that includes protecting Muslims there from terrorist attacks. Attacking these laws on the basis of some anti-Muslim conspiracy is faulty to the extreme, and ignores the basic reality of terrorist threat.

You wish to get to the point sure lets...

whats a terrorist??

see thats the problem with the world today and mainly the view in the west what the heck is a terrorist?

a bearded guy who reads the quran!? cos there the ones getting the most trouble!? yet no bearded muslim has blown anything up in the west???

nor on 9/11 or 7/7

yet that is the view!? ignorance...

so what are terrorists? those who done 9/11? indeed

and those on 7/7 again indeed

but apart from them??

what palastinians? iraqis!? afganis???

majority of the muslims suffering and fighting have nothing to do with terrorisem!

there just fighting for there rights and some peace!?

yet the view on a normal basis is they are blowing us up and themselves!?

thats a naive view and provides alot of comfort to westerners who dont wish to accept there country is slaughtering and leading a great number of innocents to suffering in other lands!

and when they fight back they are called terrorists and thrown in the blame game for 9/11 and 7/7

thats how most people justfiy iraq,afgan even palastine!???

its called ignorance...to silence the crys of innocents excuses are used...

"oh they started it with 9/11"

"they bombed us first!"

"were freeing them!"

whatever...those who lie can continue to decive themselves in this world but not the next...

 

[Rou]

That gets right to the point. Nobody is saying all Muslims fit this criteria, but the harsh reality is that some do. These laws are meant to protect the British people from terrorist attacks, and that includes protecting Muslims there from terrorist attacks. Attacking these laws on the basis of some anti-Muslim conspiracy is faulty to the extreme, and ignores the basic reality of terrorist threat.

Im a moderate muslim who saw 9/11 and 7/7 as a sick act and looked to help catch the people who done the act if i could since that time and now my view has changed no not beacuse i think they are right!

i still see there acts as wrong and sick! whats changed is ive been made an enemy of wether you feel these laws are helping or not is your problem they directly affect all muslims and let us tell you mate all they do is turn modrate muslims against british people and britan..

they dont help cut down on enemies of the uk they but create more hate and prejudice your sitting there as a non muslim how the hell do you know what these rules are doing!???

im a muslim mate and i can tell you they cause anger and hate within a community that has lived in peace here for decades...

some idiots decide to act violently and the country switched on the religon islam!???

come again!??

the laws dont make any sense all they are doing is rattleing a hornets nest that was living in peace!??

are you blind!?? have you not seen the increase in extremist views in UK wether from a muslim or a racist!?

its a clash that has been caused!

u think they are trying to protect you!??? you obviously are quite detached from the true aspect of whats going on with muslims these laws and terrorisem i suggest to do more research..

these laws only but help the hate to flow more easily and add to the ranks of exterimists within britan who numbered in the 10s and 20s where as today there numbers are indeed growing...

indeed since these laws britan does have much to fear cause there breeding terrorists from perfectley innocent people by pushing there community to the limit...

think what you want where the ones living it mate!!

 

[Keltoi]

And you don't think the fact that "Muslims" living in Britain decided to blow up people on a subway train caused a reaction by the British people? You talk about the "effects" of these laws on Muslims, yet it is the effect of waking up everyday knowing that some nutjob could decide to blow up you and 30 other people that leads to these kind of situations. The U.K. is somewhat used to this threat from the IRA, but they also have to contend with the reality of radical clerics teaching hate in British mosques. This threat is very real. I'm sorry to say this, but if another major attack strikes the U.K. or the U.S. from radical Islamists in country, then we will see even more things the Muslims community won't like. I don't know any politically correct way to say it.