Rejection of Haram Prayer Proposal

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Re: Women’s Prayer Area in Haram Might Be Shifted

i guess tht wont b the ONLY area for women. :)

tht BIG area is being allotted to remove them frm mataf.
other areas remain for them.
yes but from most of those areas u cant see kaaba , for example my family always want to pray infront of kaaba specially while performing umerah( 2 nafils)

women will be given two wider prayer areas on the ground floor, in the northern part of the mosque overlooking the Kaaba
 
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I understand their purpose behind wanting this to remain as is, but I think it is better that they are being given more space further back. Small amount of space closer in the mataaf just means during Hajj, Ramadan, and peak times that women will be fighting and pushing to get in there, because its closer. :)

I'm sure these two areas aren't the the only areas women are limited to praying. These are just the areas they have so far planned for women, and maybe in the future more areas would be added inshaAllah. But most likely, women can still pray in other areas of the Haram..

Btw, bro Najiullah, in the current space in the mataaf for women, they can't see the Kabah anyway. :? There's a barrier around them...innit?
 
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Btw, bro Najiullah, in the current space in the mataaf for women, they can't see the Kabah anyway. :? There's a barrier around them...innit?


ohh really never been inside:)

what about the back rows sister???
 
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I have no idea. I've never prayed salah on the first floor, except for in 2001 once. The rest of the times I prayed were either close to the Haram entrance or 2nd/3rd floors.

But the women's only praying areas, they make them such that the barrier is high enough so men can't see. I guess though in the current area they can see the upper of the Kabah. I don't think its just about the praying area though. Its about safety and intermixing...men and women pushing each other that close to the Kabah is happening, and they're trying to prevent it. I could be wrong though.
 
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I have no idea. I've never prayed salah on the first floor, except for in 2001 once. The rest of the times I prayed were either close to the Haram entrance or 2nd/3rd floors.

But the women's only praying areas, they make them such that the barrier is high enough so men can't see. I guess though in the current area they can see the upper of the Kabah. I don't think its just about the praying area though. Its about safety and intermixing...men and women pushing each other that close to the Kabah is happening, and they're trying to prevent it. I could be wrong though.

i think you are right sister,and the other reason is they want more space for tawaf specially in hajj and ramdhan.
 
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guess those barriers r atmost 7 ft high... n u can easily see the kaa'ba unless u r sitting too close to them. :?

yes they can seee kaaba but i dont think that they can see full kaaba from there , possibly they cant see the imam on mimbar on fridays
 
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zÂk;472612 said:
guess those barriers r atmost 7 ft high... n u can easily see the kaa'ba unless u r sitting too close to them. :?
bro i belive barriers are not even 6 feet high ,i think they can see kaaba but not the bottom part of Kaaba not because of barrier but because of rows in front of them ,even guys cant see full kaaba while standing in saff during prayes.

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There is no problem, whatsoever, with women praying in the sacred area. The reason why they never try to accommodate women there as they should, and now they are planning on removing them from there even more, is because it is always easier to get rid of them, then to acommodate them.

Temptation for men on the roads? That is easy - just ban women from driving altogether.
Temptation for men in shopping centres? That is easy too - simply ban them from working.
Temptation for men of just the sight of women? That is easy as well. Go to any extent to conceal them.

Improving conditions for men in the sacred area by banning women from there, is just another one of these moves by the men who are in charge. This idea is more jahil than the days of jahiliya.
 
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Huh? They're not removing women from the Masjid al Haram. They are giving them two bigger areas slightly to the back of the Masjid al Haram. :?

You know, there never used to be an area for women to pray in the mataf before anyway. That area was all for men. If women prayed there before, they would have to pray side by side men. Its just that in the recent two years, they added that small area, and now that they're taking it away it seems all bad. But its not.. :?
 
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There is no problem, whatsoever, with women praying in the sacred area.
Improving conditions for men in the sacred area by banning women from there, is just another one of these moves by the men who are in charge. This idea is more jahil than the days of jahiliya.
bro they are only moving women's place for more tawaf space thats all no other reason :)
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Huh? They're not removing women from the Masjid al Haram. They are giving them two bigger areas slightly to the back of the Masjid al Haram. :?

You know, there never used to be an area for women to pray in the mataf before anyway. That area was all for men. If women prayed there before, they would have to pray side by side men. Its just that in the recent two years, they added that small area, and now that they're taking it away it seems all bad. But its not.. :?

yes you are right sis .

but there was a an area for women in early 80's. it was between bab e fahad and bab e umrah, i am not sure bab e fahad was there at that time .but there was a gate .My bro and father told me this. Also when i was kid, we used to have a large picture of kaaba in our house.And i used to belive that this black space is for shia people:D.
i have seen that picture on net too ill try to find it.
 
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in these pics womens prayer area is on other side and they are atleast 12 years old pics as you can see basement stairs

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very big area infront of kaaba is resrved for women ,its from bab e Fatah to bab e Safa
 
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Women Welcome Rejection of Haram Prayer Proposal

JEDDAH, 12 September 2006 — Saudis and expatriates have welcomed the decision taken by the Presidency of the Two Holy Mosques Affairs to reject a proposal to shift the women’s prayer area in the mataaf (circumambulation area around the Holy Kaaba). The presidency has also decided to allocate 53 percent of the Grand Mosque to female worshippers.

“There is no truth in press reports that the presidency was planning to shift the women’s prayer place in the mataaf to other areas inside the mosque. This was merely based on a proposal (made by a special panel),” Muhammad Nasser Al-Khozaim, vice chairman of the presidency, told reporters.

“No change has taken place in the prayer area for women in the mataaf. In fact, we have allocated two more wider spaces overlooking the Kaaba for women to pray,” the official said emphasizing that women were equally entitled to the prayer complex as men.

“The presidency has arranged special prayer areas for women during Ramadan and it covers 53 percent of the whole Haram, including the mataaf and three floors,” explained Al-Khozaim, adding that media reports on shifting the prayer place of women from the mataaf to a different area were based on a misunderstanding.

The proposal to shift the prayer area drew stiff criticism from Muslim women across the .Mawaheb Ezzulden, a Sudanese pilgrim, told Arab News that many women were crying after they heard that there were plans to stop women from praying in the mataaf area. “I thank the Saudi government and the Two Holy Mosques Affairs for all their efforts in serving pilgrims and visitors. I thank them for allocating more space for women. This is good news for people and shows clearly that Islam is definitely not against women enjoying their rights,” she said.

Sultan Abdullah, a Saudi government worker, said that many people attacked Saudi Arabia because of the misunderstanding. Abdullah said: “I wonder what they feel now? As Saudis we will not bother with what the enemies of Saudi Arabia and Islam say and we will continue serving pilgrims to the Two Holy Mosques honorably.” Abdullah added: “It is just unbelievable how much Saudi Arabia came under attack because of a silly misunderstanding. Doesn’t Islam tell them to have good thoughts about people and to not jump to conclusions?”

Ghayth Al-Otaibi, a long-time Makkah resident who prays in the Grand Mosque five times a day, laughed when he heard the news. “I knew it was a huge misunderstanding. Look all around you, women are everywhere. It would be crazy to even think such a plan would have materialized.”

Suhaila Hammad, research director at the Saudi National Society for Human Rights, told Arab News she was glad women would be able to continue praying in the circumambulation area. “It is simply our right and it is of great joy that we can continue enjoying this right,” she said.

Laila Al-Ahdab, an Arab columnist who writes for the Al-Watan newspaper and an advocate of women’s rights in the Kingdom, said she was sure that the authorities would not have gone ahead with the proposals. “The Haram is for Muslims all over the world, men and women. When I first heard about the proposal, I was sure that it would be rejected,” she added.

Hammad, who is from Madinah, urged authorities to allocate more space and time at the Prophet’s Mosque for women to pray and visit the Prophet’s grave. “Our Prophet has advised us to pray standing between his grave and his platform, saying it is a garden from the gardens of Paradise. But women are allowed only a limited space in the area to pray,” she said. Speaking about time constraints, she said women are allowed to visit the Prophet’s grave only for five hours a day from 7 a.m. to 10 a.m. and one hour in the afternoon,” she said.

Amira Kashgari, one of the participants in the second National Forum for Dialogue held in Makkah, said she was glad that the “voices of wisdom were victorious at the end.”

Sara Yousef, a pilgrim from Egypt, commended the Kingdom’s efforts in the service of pilgrims. “So many millions of people come here, people from all types of backgrounds. The Haram is always kept clean, tidy and the environment is so beautiful. It costs money and a lot of effort to do this. People should appreciate these efforts,” she said.​

 
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That is one huge misunderstanding for people to make. :mad:

MashaAllah, that is an excellent move though. I'm glad they've done this, and cleared themselves up. :)
 
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That is one huge misunderstanding for people to make. :mad:

MashaAllah, that is an excellent move though. I'm glad they've done this, and cleared themselves up. :)

well yes but Arab media reported it so :), or its possible saudi govt has changed their plan because of criticism all around the world ( like last year they were demolishing Prophet Mohammad's(PBUH) birth place.)and alloted even more space
see 53 % women and only 47% men

check these pics i posted women have area from bab e fatah to bab e safa :hiding:

i belive now its time for us to start protesting we have only 47% :grumbling
 
salam
i dont think it is a bad idea, providing the the muslim women get larger area to pray in and it is still within the Haram
wasalam
 
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and from reading the petition comments ive seen the saudis being accused of ******** disease to the ummah* i sure hope those writing that read this now and feel guilty!
 
salam
i dont think it is a bad idea, providing the the muslim women get larger area to pray in and it is still within the Haram
wasalam
what about the guys bro, 50% 50% was fine but 53% women and only 47% men is unfair:D

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and from reading the petition comments ive seen the saudis being accused of ******** disease to the ummah* i sure hope those writing that read this now and feel guilty!
well as i said maybe saudi's changed thier decision because of pressure
 
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