Religion and atheism "the everlasting battle"

[HeiGou]

Re: Islam and atheism "the everlasting battle"

It remove's him as a working hypothesis?
When and where? How?
No, You see everything is govern by natural law of nature,e.t.c so if I say, this happen's because of this law of nature, it does not remove God! This happen's because God created it this way to happen's that everything to follow this law or that!
You see nature is at God's whim and not God at nature's whim.
I agree that one's need to find a scientific explanation, but noway it removes God.

Well you can go on asserting that it all reflects God's work, but if you come across something odd, as a scientist you need to explain it. Not just say, this is something God wants. So He is out of the picture in terms of cause and effect.

What does IPU mean?
CAn you elaborate?
What's Tuesday got to do with it

IPU, obviously, stands for the Invisible Pink Unicorn, who, as everyone knows, created the Universe last Tuesday as an exact model of a Universe that is 3.5 billion years old. You might think you have memories of lastMonday but you don't - the IPU invented those for you to make you think the world is older than it is.

Hey. Yeah I seen many picture's and you know what they said, "Atheist's told them to do it". One of them pointed at you?

On the whole I don't think I can forgive such crassness and so I won't bother.

 

[Skillganon]

Re: Islam and atheism "the everlasting battle"

Well you can go on asserting that it all reflects God's work, but if you come across something odd, as a scientist you need to explain it. Not just say, this is something God wants. So He is out of the picture in terms of cause and effect.

To an extent I agree! It is because God's want it so, meaning God made it so, to follow that nature e.t.c but saying that God want's it so, where I think we both agree is not to leave something at that just that, but we should look for explanation of why and how it happened, i.e. find the Law of nature, that made it happen's so.

IPU, obviously, stands for the Invisible Pink Unicorn, who, as everyone knows, created the Universe last Tuesday as an exact model of a Universe that is 3.5 billion years old. You might think you have memories of lastMonday but you don't - the IPU invented those for you to make you think the world is older than it is..

What you propose is self collapsing. It's not an argument itself!
Creator is an:
1. Unicorn.
2. pink.
3. Invisible.
4. Gave us implanted Memories since Tuesday!.

On the whole I don't think I can forgive such crassness and so I won't bother.

No! what need's to be forgiven? for me making such statement, was for you to think. What's those picture's got to do with anything?

 

[czgibson]

Re: Islam and atheism "the everlasting battle"

Greetings,

What you propose is self collapsing. It's not an argument itself!
Creator is an:
1. Unicorn.
2. pink.
3. Invisible.
4. Gave us implanted Memories since Tuesday!

It seems you have not yet received the Good News about the Invisible Pink Unicorn. See here:

Invisible Pink Unicorn

She is sometimes mentioned alongside Last Thursdayism (and variants thereupon), and bears comparison with the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

To their adherents, these beliefs are seen as being every bit as reasonable as their mainstream religious counterparts.

Peace

 

[Cheb]

Re: Islam and atheism "the everlasting battle"

Greetings,


It seems you have not yet received the Good News about the Invisible Pink Unicorn. See here:

Invisible Pink Unicorn

She is sometimes mentioned alongside Last Thursdayism (and variants thereupon), and bears comparison with the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

To their adherents, these beliefs are seen as being every bit as reasonable as their mainstream religious counterparts.

Peace

You know this kind of thinking would actually make sense. However, we have our religion and we have faith. Everyone has a sense that a greater being exists. Some shrug it off and others take it to another level. However, we do not simply believe in God. We believe in God and His messanger and His book. Chances are that you wont believe in God if you dont want to. For us, the strength of our faith is all the proof we need.

 

[czgibson]

Re: Islam and atheism "the everlasting battle"

Greetings Cheb,

You know this kind of thinking would actually make sense. However, we have our religion and we have faith. Everyone has a sense that a greater being exists.

I agree with you up until your last point here - I have no sense that a "greater being" exists, if by that you mean a supernatural creator / lawgiver.

Some shrug it off and others take it to another level. However, we do not simply believe in God. We believe in God and His messanger and His book.

Quite right. You're perfectly entitled to do so.

Chances are that you wont believe in God if you dont want to. For us, the strength of our faith is all the proof we need.

I think belief in god would be quite comforting, actually. It's not that I don't want to believe in god, it's just that I see no reason to do so.

Mind you, the corollary of your statement is that theists believe in god because they want to. That's something I have always suspected.

Peace

 

[Skillganon]

Re: Islam and atheism "the everlasting battle"

Greetings,


It seems you have not yet received the Good News about the Invisible Pink Unicorn. See here:

Invisible Pink Unicorn

She is sometimes mentioned alongside Last Thursdayism (and variants thereupon), and bears comparison with the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

To their adherents, these beliefs are seen as being every bit as reasonable as their mainstream religious counterparts.

Peace

Do you believe in it i.e. IPU?

 

[Cheb]

Re: Islam and atheism "the everlasting battle"

Greetings Cheb,


I agree with you up until your last point here - I have no sense that a "greater being" exists, if by that you mean a supernatural creator / lawgiver.

Well that is just my belief. I believe all human beings have the sense taht God exists built in from when they are born. How they are brought up may lead them to another path.

I think belief in god would be quite comforting, actually. It's not that I don't want to believe in god, it's just that I see no reason to do so.

Actually I think there are plenty of reasons, come on think about it. It is just that there is no undeniable proof to Atheists.
Eternity is not a short time, why not play it safe :rollseyes

Mind you, the corollary of your statement is that theists believe in god because they want to. That's something I have always suspected.

Peace

"Want" is just one of the reasons, not the only one.

 

[Cheb]

Re: Islam and atheism "the everlasting battle"

Do you believe in it i.e. IPU?

Actually no one does. It is not meant to be believed in, rather provide just another argument of why God doesnt exist.

 

[czgibson]

Re: Islam and atheism "the everlasting battle"

Greetings Cheb,

Actually I think there are plenty of reasons, come on think about it. It is just that there is no undeniable proof to Atheists.
Eternity is not a short time, why not play it safe :rollseyes

One reason I wouldn't "play it safe" is because I'm aware of the flaws of Pascal's Wager!

Peace

 

[Skillganon]

Re: Islam and atheism "the everlasting battle"

Actually no one does. It is not meant to be believed in, rather provide just another argument of why God doesnt exist.

How is that(IPU) an argument that God does not exist?

Can you elaborate?

 

[Mohammed Bilal]

Re: Islam and atheism "the everlasting battle"

Hang on gibson your dodging the question.... who made dark matter, the universe, and cells???? This is due to darwins theory correct? Hint hint theory he made something up (not to disrespect him) and because it is a pretty descent idea people start believing him?

 

[Cheb]

Re: Islam and atheism "the everlasting battle"

Greetings Cheb,


One reason I wouldn't "play it safe" is because I'm aware of the flaws of Pascal's Wager!

Peace

I know I wasnt really serious about that. That is why I put the face there. Besides playing it safe is not a reason to believe in God, you do need to be convinced among other things.

 

[Cheb]

Re: Islam and atheism "the everlasting battle"

How is that(IPU) an argument that God does not exist?

Can you elaborate?

It is explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_pink_unicorn

 

[Skillganon]

Re: Islam and atheism "the everlasting battle"

Actually no one does. It is not meant to be believed in, rather provide just another argument of why God doesnt exist.

and you gave me a link here

It is explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_pink_unicorn

Hey! I been to the wikpedia site, but can you demostrate how this is another argument of why God does not exist?

 

[Cheb]

Re: Islam and atheism "the everlasting battle"

I prefer not to post the argument but just read under "Dogma" for an explanation.

 

[Skillganon]

Re: Islam and atheism "the everlasting battle"

I read the Dogma Section, is not....(in you own word)

..... just another argument of why God doesnt exist.

 

[Cheb]

Re: Islam and atheism "the everlasting battle"

I read the Dogma Section, is not....(in you own word)

What is your point?

 

[Skillganon]

Re: Islam and atheism "the everlasting battle"

What is your point?

That' it is not an argument (itself) against, that in your own word, "God does not exist!"

LOL!

 

[Cheb]

Re: Islam and atheism "the everlasting battle"

Why not?
The fact that we do not believe in the argument doesnt make it any less of one. Still needs to be adressed.
We are getting a little off topic here.

 

[czgibson]

Re: Islam and atheism "the everlasting battle"

Greetings,

Hang on gibson your dodging the question....

Really?

who made dark matter, the universe, and cells????

The Invisible Pink Unicorn, of course!

This is due to darwins theory correct?

Nope. Darwin lived before dark matter had been suggested; he says nothing about cosmology; while he does talk about cells he doesn't say who made them.

Hint hint theory he made something up (not to disrespect him) and because it is a pretty descent idea people start believing him?

Do you know what a theory is? I suspect not.

Peace