Religion and atheism "the everlasting battle"

[Pankaja dasa]

Re: Islam and atheism "the everlasting battle"

Theory of Science is 'Big Bang', Evolution, etc. When we die THAT'S IT.:brother:

So if they really believe this why are they seaching for more answers?. It is because they have no commen sence. They are simply contradicting themselves by claiming to KNOW when in fact they don't. So they are searching for 'a myserious thing'. So just like e=mc square;D

They also have no commen sence to think they are simply contradicting themselves 24/7.

For example, an athiest will say 'show me God'. This is the last thing he will say, we will say create something with a big bang? He cannot say anything. So they are accepting Scientists as Prophets of God.;D

 

[czgibson]

Re: Islam and atheism "the everlasting battle"

Greetings Muslim 108,

You've got an interesting take on the world. Welcome to the forum, since I haven't said it already.

Theory of Science is 'Big Bang', Evolution, etc. When we die THAT'S IT.:brother:

So if they really believe this why are they seaching for more answers?. It is because they have no commen sence. They are simply contradicting themselves by claiming to KNOW when in fact they don't. So they are searching for 'a myserious thing'. So just like e=mc square;D

Scientists are always looking for more answers precisely because they realise that they don't know everything. Also, whatever is currently classed as scientific 'knowledge' can be revised should new and better evidence turn up.

They also have no commen sence to think they are simply contradicting themselves 24/7.

I suppose that when you are ill you don't go to see a doctor, then.

For example, an athiest will say 'show me God'. This is the last thing he will say, we will say create something with a big bang? He cannot say anything. So they are accepting Scientists as Prophets of God.;D

Scientists believe things because they have evidence. Religious people believe in things without evidence. I know which method of accumulating knowledge seems more rational to me; you're free to think differently, of course.

Since I'm an atheist, it's not true to say I am "accepting Scientists as Prophets of God", since, as you know, atheists don't believe in god.

Peace

 

[Pankaja dasa]

Re: Islam and atheism "the everlasting battle"

Scientists believe things because they have evidence

.;D ;D ;D ;D

What evidence do you speak of?:happy:


So far I haven't seen any proof just theories.

I can bake a cake, but I need to do it practically. So Science first has
to prove the theories. Then they can talk, about who created this
world. Without any Proof? They teach in schools world created
by Big Bang. Is this what we teach children! That without
any proof anything can be taught?

 

[Skillganon]

Re: Islam and atheism "the everlasting battle"

.;D ;D ;D ;D

What evidence do you speak of?:happy:


So far I haven't seen any proof just theories.

I can bake a cake, but I need to do it practically. So Science first has
to prove the theories. Then they can talk, about who created this
world. Without any Proof? They teach in schools world created
by Big Bang. Is this what we teach children! That without
any proof anything can be taught?

Exactly their are alway's theories, and at the sametime their could be several theories explaining 1 certain thing.
Also to note theories are replaced when something better comes along!

 

[Pankaja dasa]

Re: Islam and atheism "the everlasting battle"

Exactly their are alway's theories, and at the sametime their could be several theories explaining 1 certain thing.
Also to note theories are replaced when something better comes along!

I used to accept these theories, but when I read about Vedic Science, I changed my mind. It says God created everything.

 

[vpb]

Re: Islam and atheism "the everlasting battle"

I think Darwin was just a psycho, as long as he says that u must push everyone to achieve something, I would not be suprised if he says something else. and if Darwin supports that there is no God, then just simple questions about people who believe in darwin's theory

"what is the meaning of life, why are u here?"

 

[Pankaja dasa]

Re: Islam and atheism "the everlasting battle"

I admit I still have issues with how to talk with athiests. How do you get somebody to believe in God?:giggling:

Personally I think it's impossible. Because it says in Vedic Scriptures there are always two kinds of people in this World one that believes and the other that doesn't. :rollseyes

The reason why I believe in God is because of the following reason:

In Science you have three thing is which to say how something is proved:

1. Theory
2. Practice or Practical
3. Conclution

The theories they present have not gone beyond the first stage as of yet. Big Bang, evolution etc. And according to Science if you make a mis-calculation in a theory or practice [wink] then everything else you say after this will be wrong. So far they have not done this. They talk the talk but cannot walk the walk. :rant:

In religion first we have theory that we are a soul. We cannot see our own soul. But we accept on the basis of practically applying this science in our lives. And we feel spirtitual because of it. Science claim 'spiritual feelings' are only feelings. This Philosophy is akin to the Philosophy of the Shankracharya School in India. In this they always say people who practice God consciousness are sentimental people and they have no real connection with God. So science is leaning very dangerously towards this path. Of 'no feelings' only voidness. Just the same way Science says when we die that is it. It's the same Philosophy. It only leads to speculations [theories] and athisuem. In the end the only conclution [leaving out pracitical demonstations] is that there is actually no God in exsistance. But everything is simply energy. Whether or not it is eternal energy science does not know. I talked with one athiest he said he believes everything becomes energy and exsists like this. So this way they actually want to EXSIST even after death. I feel this is natural for everybody. Who wants to die? And cease to exsist? We all want to be happy. Now let Science find out the mysteries of the Universe. Hare Krishna.

 

[vpb]

Re: Islam and atheism "the everlasting battle"

Muslim_108, brother

I admit I still have issues with how to talk with athiests. How do you get somebody to believe in God?

if you don't know how to talk, then you know what question to ask
"what is the meaning of life, why are we here?"
lol

 

[Pankaja dasa]

Re: Islam and atheism "the everlasting battle"

Muslim_108, brother


if you don't know how to talk, then you know what question to ask
"what is the meaning of life, why are we here?"
lol

;D good

 

[i_m_tipu]

Re: Islam and atheism "the everlasting battle"

:salamext:

What is meant by scientific evidences and scientific proof? In truth, science can never establish truth or fact in the sense that a scientific statement can be made that is formally beyond question. All scientific statements and concepts are open to reevaluation as new data is acquired and technologies emerge. ​

 

[HeiGou]

Re: Islam and atheism "the everlasting battle"

Theory of Science is 'Big Bang', Evolution, etc. When we die THAT'S IT.:brother:

Well no, that's all we know about with some degree of scientific certainty. There are, and always have been, pious scientists. It is just that most religious claims have turned out to be false or misunderstood or simply not testable. Science cannot deal with anything that it cannot test.

So if they really believe this why are they seaching for more answers?. It is because they have no commen sence. They are simply contradicting themselves by claiming to KNOW when in fact they don't. So they are searching for 'a myserious thing'. So just like e=mc square;D

Scientists tend to claim to know very narrowly defined things. They do not make broad claims if they can avoid it. The search for more answers is fun and worthwhile in and of itself. Why would scientists stop? Scientists do not search for mysterious things - if anything they want to reduce the number of unknown things and increase the number of well defined, well known things like e=mc^2.

They also have no commen sence to think they are simply contradicting themselves 24/7.

Do you understand what scientists do?

For example, an athiest will say 'show me God'. This is the last thing he will say, we will say create something with a big bang? He cannot say anything. So they are accepting Scientists as Prophets of God.;D

I do not even follow this. But few scientists claim to be prophets. Some of the ones I know might think they are, but no one else, not even their Mothers, agrees with them.

 

[HeiGou]

Re: Islam and atheism "the everlasting battle"

What evidence do you speak of?:happy:


So far I haven't seen any proof just theories.

I can bake a cake, but I need to do it practically. So Science first has
to prove the theories. Then they can talk, about who created this
world. Without any Proof? They teach in schools world created
by Big Bang. Is this what we teach children! That without
any proof anything can be taught?

Well scientists have cured dozens of diseases. They have put men on the Moon. They have built nuclear weapons. Compared to this the whole sum of religious practioners have done what? Some Yogis claim to be able to fly. The Big Bang has some degree of proof. In science nothing can be true without proof, or at least without being the best explanation for the evidence available.

 

[HeiGou]

Re: Islam and atheism "the everlasting battle"

I would say probably not atheists have a strong belief in darwins theory right? please tell me if im wrong.

Probably most educated people, atheist or not, have reasonable confidence in Darwin's Theory. It certainly makes atheism more sensible. Where are you going with this?

 

[HeiGou]

Re: Islam and atheism "the everlasting battle"

I think Darwin was just a psycho, as long as he says that u must push everyone to achieve something,

Why do you think that is what Darwin said? Darwin was actually a rather kind hearted, generous man who was troubled by many of the things he saw in the world and many things that he thought about.

I would not be suprised if he says something else. and if Darwin supports that there is no God, then just simple questions about people who believe in darwin's theory

"what is the meaning of life, why are u here?"

I am not convinced that Darwin supported the idea that there was no God. He trained for the priesthood, but became less religious. Whether or not he was an atheist is arguable. His wife was pious and he kept up a public front to spare her feelings at any rate so it is hard to tell.

There is no meaning to life in the greater sense. I am here to be good and to do good to others.

 

[Pankaja dasa]

Re: Islam and atheism "the everlasting battle"

is just that most religious claims have turned out to be false or misunderstood or simply not testable

Claim that there is a God?;D

 

[HeiGou]

Re: Islam and atheism "the everlasting battle"

Claim that there is a God?;D

Can you think of a scientific way to test that claim?

 

[Pankaja dasa]

Re: Islam and atheism "the everlasting battle"

Can you think of a scientific way to test that claim?

It's a feeling in your heart. Science says it is simply a chemical reaction. That there is no tanglible proof that this person has any spiritual feelings. Athiest's will say the same. So they are saying what we feel is false.

I feel this is natural reaction for an athiest because they are of the view that death means voidness. So naturally they shall say the feelings we have is a checimal reaction.

 

[HeiGou]

Re: Islam and atheism "the everlasting battle"

It's a feeling in your heart. Science says it is simply a chemical reaction. That there is no tanglible proof that this person has any spiritual feelings. Athiest's will say the same. So they are saying what we feel is false.

I feel this is natural reaction for an athiest because they are of the view that death means voidness. So naturally they shall say the feelings we have is a checimal reaction.

A feeling in your heart is not proof and so far it is not testable. No one would deny some people have spiritual feelings. In fact a team has claimed that they can induce such feelings in patients by stimulating part of their brain with electrodes.

But none of this is a test for God. The first experiment of the Royal Society was to weigh a man as he was dying. They hoped to find out how much his soul weighed. That was a scientific test.

 

[Skillganon]

Re: Islam and atheism "the everlasting battle"

A feeling in your heart is not proof and so far it is not testable. No one would deny some people have spiritual feelings. In fact a team has claimed that they can induce such feelings in patients by stimulating part of their brain with electrodes.

But none of this is a test for God. The first experiment of the Royal Society was to weigh a man as he was dying. They hoped to find out how much his soul weighed. That was a scientific test.

Don't worry! you will find out sooner or later!

Peace!

 

[Pankaja dasa]

Re: Islam and atheism "the everlasting battle"

The first experiment of the Royal Society was to weigh a man as he was dying. They hoped to find out how much his soul weighed. That was a scientific test.

What did they base this test one;D