Religious Faith & Beliefs

[- Qatada -]

But if the Koran in it's truest form is in Arabic - how can we be assured of it's literal translation into English?

I personally have read three very different versions of the same texts in the last 10 minutes!

Anyway.... not to be edging away from topic...................... :-[

Agreed, the Quran is originally in the arabic tongue, and any translation besides that is simply a translation and not really Quran. The meaning of the word Quran means recitation, therefore it cant be titled Quran if its not in the original tongue anyway. Sorry for being so confusing.

So translations are simply for people to get a basic understanding of what is being said, yet the Quran remains arabic since thats the way God revealed it to His final Messenger. Arabic in of itself is an eloquent, deep, language. Its easy to learn too, and sounds beautiful.


[media]http://quran.jalisi.com/001fatiha_01.mp3[/media]


That for example is the first surah/chapter in the arabic language, and the verses (as a translation) are the following:

In the Name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.

All the praises and thanks be to Allah, the Lord of the 'Alamin (mankind, jinns and all that exists).

The Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.

The Only Owner (and the Only Ruling Judge) of the Day of Recompense (i.e. the Day of Resurrection)

You (Alone) we worship, and you (Alone) we ask for help (for each and everything).

Guide us to the Straight Way

The path of those upon whom You have bestowed favor, not of those who have evoked [Your] anger or of those who are astray.


[Surah 1 - Fatiha (the Opening)]


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Now you yourself can say that the english in no way matches the arabic, and Allaah is the All Wise, All Knowing.


So basically, the translation is simply a translation, and we all agree upon that. The arabic however is the real Qur'an, and will remain that way.



Also, another miracle of the Qur'an is the fact that it's been preserved for 14centuries, without alteration, not even a single letter! And that's also a sign that it's truelly from Allaah, the Lord of the Worlds.

Here's a good link regarding that:
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...h-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503545420



And if you have anymore questions - please don't hesitate to ask!



Peace.

 

[- Qatada -]

You give me a totally bias source.
Reality is hard to see when you are on the outside looking in.

try this one;
A Golden Age of religious tolerance http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/history/spain_3.shtml
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Jews and Christians did retain some freedom under Muslim rule, providing they obeyed certain rules. Although these rules would now be considered completely unacceptable................

But you just will never see the reality of your inferiors.

The Bani Umayyah (who ruled Al Andalus - spain) aren't our role models, our role models are the Prophets, Allaah's final Messenger, Muhammad (peace be upon him) and his companions.




Regards.

 

[wilberhum]

The Bani Umayyah (who ruled Al Andalus - spain) aren't our role models, our role models are the Prophets, Allaah's final Messenger, Muhammad (peace be upon him) and his companions.
Regards.

You never seam to distinguish between faith and reality. :skeleton:
The reality is that your system creates a cast system with Muslim Males sitting at the top. :?

Now I'm going away for a while.
I get out of control when people think I am so *&^%!@#$ stupid that I would love to give up all my freedom and bow and scrape to those that think god made them superior. hew :raging: :raging: :raging:

 

[Karina]

Agreed, the Quran is originally in the arabic tongue, and any translation besides that is simply a translation and not really Quran. The meaning of the word Quran means recitation, therefore it cant be titled Quran if its not in the original tongue anyway. Sorry for being so confusing.

So translations are simply for people to get a basic understanding of what is being said, yet the Quran remains arabic since thats the way God revealed it to His final Messenger. Arabic in of itself is an eloquent, deep, language. Its easy to learn too, and sounds beautiful.


http://quran.jalisi.com/001fatiha_01.mp3


That for example is the first surah/chapter in the arabic language, and the verses (as a translation) are the following:

In the Name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.

All the praises and thanks be to Allah, the Lord of the 'Alamin (mankind, jinns and all that exists).

The Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.

The Only Owner (and the Only Ruling Judge) of the Day of Recompense (i.e. the Day of Resurrection)

You (Alone) we worship, and you (Alone) we ask for help (for each and everything).

Guide us to the Straight Way

The path of those upon whom You have bestowed favor, not of those who have evoked [Your] anger or of those who are astray.


[Surah 1 - Fatiha (the Opening)]


​

Now you yourself can say that the english in no way matches the arabic, and Allaah is the All Wise, All Knowing.


So basically, the translation is simply a translation, and we all agree upon that. The arabic however is the real Qur'an, and will remain that way.



Also, another miracle of the Qur'an is the fact that it's been preserved for 14centuries, without alteration, not even a single letter! And that's also a sign that it's truelly from Allaah, the Lord of the Worlds.

Here's a good link regarding that:
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...h-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503545420



And if you have anymore questions - please don't hesitate to ask!



Peace.

Ok, a question (Thank you!).

If the true and ultimate Qur'an is in Arabic, and I have no doubt of it's intention and message. How does this prevent infinite numbers of Muslims or "Muslims" severely mis-interpreting it's very true meaning?

If you would like me to provide examples and sources of the differing texts I have found in the space of minutes, I will with pleasure supply them.... And if they are readily available to little old me by the power of the worldwideweb, then they are accessible to whoever choses to use Google.

This issue is not mutually exlusive to one religion it is exclusive to all.

Another issue:
Freedom of speech on the internet. Do you think this is a direct cause of the conflict and blatent and bloody hatred and religious intolerance of this millenium - fuel for the fire so to speak? oops or should this be a different thread?!

 

[- Qatada -]

You never seam to distinguish between faith and reality. :skeleton:
The reality is that your system creates a cast system with Muslim Males sitting at the top. :?

Now I'm going away for a while.
I get out of control when people think I am so *&^%!@#$ stupid that I would love to give up all my freedom and bow and scrape to those that think god made them superior. hew :raging: :raging: :raging:

Thanks, if you think that - then read the post i mentioned above.

http://www.islamicboard.com/758694-post34.html



If you want to make your own personal interpretation of Islaam, then that's upto you. However, i've shown the teachings of Islaam with proofs.

O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).

[Quran 49: 13]


The Prophet said: 'There is no superiority for an Arab over a non-Arab, nor for a non-Arab over an Arab, nor for a fair-skinned person over a person with dark skin, nor for a dark-skinned person over a person with fair skin. Whoever is more pious and God-fearing is more deserving of honour.' (Musnad Ahmad)


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And only Allaah knows who is the most righteous, so we don't have an attitude of 'holier than thou' or whatever you call it.

'Abdullah ibn Mas'ud reported that the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said,

"No one who has an atom's weight of pride in his heart will enter the Garden/Paradise." A man said, "And if the man likes his clothes to be good and his sandals to be good?" He said, "Allah is Beautiful and loves beauty. Pride means to renounce the truth and abase [look down on] people."

[Saheeh Muslim]



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And Allaah knows best.




Regards.

 

[- Qatada -]

Ok, a question (Thank you!).

If the true and ultimate Qur'an is in Arabic, and I have no doubt of it's intention and message. How does this prevent infinite numbers of Muslims or "Muslims" severely mis-interpreting it's very true meaning?

First of all, we usually leave it upto the knowledgable to teach it. Yet at the same time, the knowledge is open to anyone (so it's not secretly compiled by the scholars etc.) therefore we can access it also, however we don't extract rulings from it since we're simply laymen i.e. myself etc.

Also there are severe warnings for those who misquote the texts, and the knowledgable really have more fear of disobeying Allaah since they have more faith and belief in God, because with knowledge comes understanding, and with understanding comes belief, and with belief comes certainty, and certainty means a more solid/firm belief.


For example:

http://tafsir.com


That site has the teachings of Qur'an according to how the companions of God's/Allaah's Messenger (peace be upon him) taught it, in what situation the verses were revealed etc. [with authentic chains/links of narration to prove its authenticity etc.]

The Qur'an in of itself is a book of guidance, so for example you'll realise that the name Muhammad is only mention 4 times in the Qur'an. Whereas the names of Moses, Jesus etc. is mentioned many, many times.

If you would like me to provide examples and sources of the differing texts I have found in the space of minutes, I will with pleasure supply them.... And if they are readily available to little old me by the power of the worldwideweb, then they are accessible to whoever choses to use Google.

This issue is not mutually exlusive to one religion it is exclusive to all.

I'm not sure what you mean, but if you got any misunderstandings - then yeah sure, we can try to clarify it inshaa Allaah (God willing.)

Another issue:
Freedom of speech on the internet. Do you think this is a direct cause of the conflict and blatent and bloody hatred and religious intolerance of this millenium - fuel for the fire so to speak? oops or should this be a different thread?!

I'm not really sure, i like discussing with others about different religions.


But if someone was to spark up a debate for arguments sake, then i want to strive to become like the servant of Allaah mentioned in the Qur'an:

And the true servants of the Most Merciful are those who walk the earth with humility and when the ignorant address them, they respond with words of peace.

Qur'an 25:63.



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Regards.

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[Pygoscelis]

This is a quick off topic question.

When I loaded this page this morning some guy started singing on my computer oh: How'd you do that?

 

[- Qatada -]

He wasn't singing, he was reciting Qur'an.


By the way, please don't put no tracks on since the forum's not for that purpose lol. But what you gota do is use the media tags:


[media] link [ /media]


Insha Allaah (God willing) that will work.




Regards.