Religious scholars mull Flying Spaghetti Monster

[Isambard]

I'll toast to that. Incidentally, have you noticed these very poor logicians tend to be religious?

Dunno bout that. Ive seen plenty of atheists point toward a goal-oriented type of human evolution despite it contradicting facts.

Same goes to any atheist in front of a camera. All of a sudden they spout off about objective morality despite never showing any evidence of such a thing existing and get mad when ppl say its stupid.

 

[Skillganon]

Interesting, stuff like the FSM are just a point of distraction and not really much of a criticism.

The problem with statement like this:

"We have evidence that a Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe.

Is that one is making in a way acknlowdging an "Existence of creator" (Existence of X), which theist already are convinced, and the nature of it(X) has little significant in the argument.

 

[glo]

As a sideline, I have been mulling the FSM myself ... mostly whether to knit one or not ...

http://www.phobe.com/fsmhat/index.html

Peace

 

[Qingu]

Is that one is making in a way acknlowdging an "Existence of creator" (Existence of X), which theist already are convinced, and the nature of it(X) has little significant in the argument.

One could argue that the proposed natures of the creator popular among religions make about as much sense and have as much evidence to support them as a flying spaghetti monster.

You know, like that the creator is a cosmic, Jewish zombie who is his own father and who had to sacrifice himself to himself to save us from the magical poison that got passed down to our entire species because a talking snake convinced the first of our species to eat a magical fruit.

Or that the creator is an invisible, Arabic-speaking spirit who threatens, in a conveniently-revealed book written in Arabic, to send people who don't believe in him to unverifiable afterlife torture and promises people who do believe in him with unverifiable afterlife rewards.

Or that this creator, after failing to preserve his revelation several times already, gave the final version to an ambitious young man via an angel who revealed golden plates to him, which only he had the ability to decipher.

A creator who is made of spaghetti and can fly seems no more ridiculous and has just as much evidence as any of these propositions. Which is why so many atheists seem to like him, and so many theists miss the point entirely.

 

[جوري]

Isn't it time we offered a banana bag with some magnesium sulfate to the members suffering from marchiafava-Bignami?
I can't imagine why irate protesters who make as much sense as a paramecia are given writing privileges?

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

The problem with statement like this:

We have evidence that a Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe.

Is that one is making in a way acknlowdging an "Existence of creator" (Existence of X), which theist already are convinced, and the nature of it(X) has little significant in the argument.

That's one of the key things about the Flying Spaghetti Monster, in addition to his main function as a defence of genuine science lessons: there's just as much evidence for a creator with ludicrous characteristics as there is for one with traditional characteristics, such as omnipotence, etc.

Most of the theists on this thread don't seem to have grasped the point of FSM at all.

Peace

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you Qingu;

A creator who is made of spaghetti and can fly seems no more ridiculous and has just as much evidence as any of these propositions. Which is why so many atheists seem to like him, and so many theists miss the point entirely.

Ahhh now I understand, atheist actually like the spaghetti monster so it must be true.

Atheists think spaghetti can fly now I understand the thinking behind atheism.

So evolution is happening, extrapolate evolution back to no life. Extrapolate back to spaghetti having no beginning and the theory of evolution hangs on the truth of the spaghetti monster.

It is now time for atheist to throw science, rational thinking and logic out the window.

In the spirit of searching for God

Eric

 

[Qingu]

Ahhh now I understand, atheist actually like the spaghetti monster so it must be true.

Actually, you didn't understand at all, because that's not remotely like anything I said.

Do I need to respond to the rest of your mocking post or do you want to rewrite it first?

 

[Grace Seeker]

Greetings and peace be with you Qingu;


Ahhh now I understand, atheist actually like the spaghetti monster so it must be true.

Atheists think spaghetti can fly now I understand the thinking behind atheism.

So evolution is happening, extrapolate evolution back to no life. Extrapolate back to spaghetti having no beginning and the theory of evolution hangs on the truth of the spaghetti monster.

It is now time for atheist to throw science, rational thinking and logic out the window.

In the spirit of searching for God

Eric

What? Now we are mocking parody?


FSM is actually a very well-designed parody of much of what passes for "proof" by many well meaning people. I agree that God exists, but if we can't stand a little examination of the way we articulate our beliefs, then those who are positing such "proofs" on others need to learn to better stand the heat or get out of the kitchen.

 

[جوري]

What? Now we are mocking parody?


FSM is actually a very well-designed parody of much of what passes for "proof" by many well meaning people. I agree that God exists, but if we can't stand a little examination of the way we articulate our beliefs, then those who are positing such "proofs" on others need to learn to better stand the heat or get out of the kitchen.

That deserves a rep..

tomorrow insha'Allah

:shade:

peace!

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you Qingu;

You know, like that the creator is a cosmic, Jewish zombie who is his own father and who had to sacrifice himself to himself to save us from the magical poison that got passed down to our entire species because a talking snake convinced the first of our species to eat a magical fruit.

Or that the creator is an invisible, Arabic-speaking spirit who threatens, in a conveniently-revealed book written in Arabic, to send people who don't believe in him to unverifiable afterlife torture and promises people who do believe in him with unverifiable afterlife rewards.

Is this just a teensy bit mocking or have I missed the point?

Do I need to respond to the rest of your mocking post or do you want to rewrite it first?

This is underhand stuff, are atheists seeking a monopoly on the right to mock.

In the spirit of seeking fair play

Eric

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you all,
Are any atheists willing to come out and say they believe the FSM created the universe, please say yes or no.

Please do not sit on the fence and be agnostic about your beliefs in the FSM.

My friend purest ambrosia has a sincere belief that Islam is the truth and I can respect that even though I do not share many of her beliefs.

Are there any atheists willing to come out and say that they have a sincere belief that the FSM is the truth.

In the spirit of searching for truth

Eric

 

[Pygoscelis]

He phrased it what I'd call a negative light, but he didn't make anything up there. That actually IS the claim in the holy text. And really I don't think it matters much how you phrase it. The holy texts literal claims are ridiculus so any summary of them will look like mocking.

 

[Uthman]

Greetings,

"We have evidence that a Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe. None of us, of course, were around to see it, but we have written accounts of it," Henderson wrote.

Do these 'written accounts' refer to divinely inspired religious texts?

Regards

 

[Trumble]

Are any atheists willing to come out and say they believe the FSM created the universe, please say yes or no.

Please do not sit on the fence and be agnostic about your beliefs in the FSM.

My friend purest ambrosia has a sincere belief that Islam is the truth and I can respect that even though I do not share many of her beliefs.

Are there any atheists willing to come out and say that they have a sincere belief that the FSM is the truth.

The FSM is suggested not as an alternative metaphysical entity but as an alternative human construction. And, of course, if any 'atheists' had a sincere belief that "the FSM is the truth" they would not be atheists!

There is certainly a weight of belief that God exists that is not true in the case of the FSM. So what?. God has had a couple of thousand years head-start. Your belief, or PAs belief, or indeed billions of other peoples' belief in themselves are 'logically' and 'scientifically' as irrelevant in demonstrating that that belief is true as they would be in the case of the FSM. As has already been stated, the purpose of the FSM is to demonstrate that point, and all you are doing is reinforcing it.

Respect for other people's beliefs is, of course, a very good thing, but is also a totally seperate issue. The FSM is not intended to 'mock'; it illustrates a philosophical point of view. The concern of creationists (if not theists in general) should not be objecting to that view being expressed, but with demonstrating it to be logically unsound while remaining within the set of assumptions necessary for God to (logically) exist. If that is done the FSM go away of its own accord.

Do these 'written accounts' refer to divinely inspired religious texts?

No, or least not that can be proven. No more than any other written account can be proven to be 'divinely inspired'... THAT is the point being made.

 

[wilberhum]

Greetings,
Do these 'written accounts' refer to divinely inspired religious texts?

Regards

I think thy are as "divinely inspired" as any "religious texts.

But then it is all a matter of faith.

 

[Uthman]

Yes, I see.

What I meant was, would the people who believe in the flying spaghetti monster believe that these written accounts are divinely inspired?

 

[Trumble]

What I meant was, would the people who believe in the flying spaghetti monster believe that these written accounts are divinely inspired?

No, or at least 'not applicable'. Nobody believes in the flying spaghetti monster.. the whole idea is just to make a point.

 

[Chuck]

Yes, I see.

What I meant was, would the people who believe in the flying spaghetti monster believe that these written accounts are divinely inspired?

FSM was made-up, perhaps by atheist (don't quote me on this one), to make an analogy that belief in god is false like believe in FSM is false. In other words, believe God is just make-believe stories and God doesn't exist like FSM doesn't exist - it is suppose to be parody of believe in God.

Ironically, this is a fallacy of false dichotomy & false correlative (it is similar to: correlation does not imply causation) even if we take the argument of FSM as it is. And it doesn't make a point either, people who believe in one God, usually see beliefs in other god(s) can be false, so they are already aware that people can believe in false god(s).

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

FSM was made-up, perhaps by atheist (don't quote me on this one), to make an analogy that belief in god is false like believe in FSM is false. In other words, believe God is just make-believe stories and God doesn't exist like FSM doesn't exist - it is suppose to be parody of believe in God.

Ironically, this is a fallacy of false dichotomy & false correlative (it is similar to: correlation does not imply causation) even if we take the argument of FSM as it is. And it doesn't make a point either, people who believe in one God, usually see beliefs in other god(s) can be false, so they are already aware that people can believe in false god(s).

Yet another person who just hasn't got it. FSM is more about ridiculing the teaching of Intelligent Design in science classes.

People: here is the letter that started it all. Have a read of it, remember that it's not entirely serious, and see if you begin to understand.

Peace