Report: Chief Rabbi says move Gazans to a Palestine in Sinai

[The_Prince]

The Temple Mount is holy to Judaism, Christianity and Islam, so it is nonsense for Jews to claim it is all theirs. The city should belong to all three religions, rather than an Israel or a Palestine.

Gaza should be incorporated into Egypt, and Palestine and the Negev should be part of Jordan again (Palestinians are not really a seperate people, they are just Jordanians who are occupied by Israel). Or they should all be turned into one country, and be forced to play nice, on pain of having their heads all bashed together.

i see you say gaza should be incorparated into egypt, and west bank back to jordan, yet no mention of most of Israel? yes so palestinians must give up their identity and become part of egypt and jordan, while the thief Israel keeps it identity,,,,,you sure as hell dont speak for me or other Palestinians, we want our own country, we dont want to be part of Egypt or Jordan, they have their own countries and land and so should we.

And correction, Palestinians arent just Jordanians, i see you have been listening to too much zionist garbage.

how about Israel give all the land back to the Palestinians, from whom they stole it, thats what should happen. Not Palestinians incorparate into this or that when it is their land and was stolen.

My familly lived and grew in a town near Jerusalem, infact the very same town from where Salahuddin defeated the crusaders, and we werent Jordanians nor called ourselves Jordanians nor had any relation to the Jordanians. We had our own identity and land....so plz dont repeat the zionist garbage that we are supposedly Jordanians and case closed lets all move to Jordan. this is a zionist tactic to ROB us Palestinians of our very identity, because if there is no such thing as Palestinians, then no need for Palestine and the little zionist devil isnt wrong after all! infact many historians and analysts have CONDEMNED this tactic by zionists.

 

[aadil77]

The Temple Mount is holy to Judaism, Christianity and Islam, so it is nonsense for Jews to claim it is all theirs. The city should belong to all three religions, rather than an Israel or a Palestine.

I agree with you on that, it just so happens that the religious sites of two of the major religons Islam and Christianity are in israel so yes , its stupid to claim it belongs all to israel

 

[MaiCarInMtl]

WE beleive that God owns the whole of the earth and has made it for us to dwell in, so we can and should be able to go whereever we want freelly, worship whereever we want etc

Tell me, can non muslims enter Mecca ?

Can someone pelase answer this? I'm agree with Aadil's reasoning, but Aaron does have a point.

Why must we always think this way "This is mine! This is mine!". Why can we not share, especially when it comes to holy/religious places? There is not just one religion in the world! What's so wrong with sharing? I'd really like to know what God think of all of this. We're always making a mountain out of a mole hill.

Maybe as if the engineers in Dubai can send them plans so the Israelis can build their own little island where they can stash all their weapons, nukes, and put up miles of barbed-wire fence to keep everyone out. Maybe then the complaining would stop and everyone would just get on with their lives!

 

[ahsan28]

Can someone pelase answer this?

Do they have any claim/ attachment/connection?

 

[Fishman]

i see you say gaza should be incorparated into egypt, and west bank back to jordan, yet no mention of most of Israel? yes so palestinians must give up their identity and become part of egypt and jordan, while the thief Israel keeps it identity,,,,,you sure as hell dont speak for me or other Palestinians, we want our own country, we dont want to be part of Egypt or Jordan, they have their own countries and land and so should we.

And correction, Palestinians arent just Jordanians, i see you have been listening to too much zionist garbage.

how about Israel give all the land back to the Palestinians, from whom they stole it, thats what should happen. Not Palestinians incorparate into this or that when it is their land and was stolen.

My familly lived and grew in a town near Jerusalem, infact the very same town from where Salahuddin defeated the crusaders, and we werent Jordanians nor called ourselves Jordanians nor had any relation to the Jordanians. We had our own identity and land....so plz dont repeat the zionist garbage that we are supposedly Jordanians and case closed lets all move to Jordan. this is a zionist tactic to ROB us Palestinians of our very identity, because if there is no such thing as Palestinians, then no need for Palestine and the little zionist devil isnt wrong after all! infact many historians and analysts have CONDEMNED this tactic by zionists.

But Palestine was part of Jordan to start with, and so was Israel. And face it, a Palestinian state would never survive on its own. I bet a few weeks after independence some millitia will go and fire a few rockets over the border, and Israel will go insane, as it usually does, and re-occupy Palestine. And in the mean time, Israel's secret agencies will no doubt try their best make sure that Palestine never grows a significant army to defend itself with. The best chance for Palestine is for it to join up with a larger, more powerful country like Jordan.

As for Israel, the Negev (southern Israel) will be given to Jordan as compensation for the massive destruction of infrastructure in Palestine. Northern Israel will stay independent as a Jewish state. Jerusalem and the surrounding areas should become a separate city-state, ruled by a tri-religious council, and the Golan Heights should become part of Syria again.

All countries in the region (Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt, Syria) must be stripped of the capablity to make any kind of millitary offensive other than a counter-offensive in the event that somebody else attacks them. This will help to ensure peace.

 

[Amadeus85]

Do they have any claim/ attachment/connection?

Propably not, but for Jews a muslim prophet Muhammed wasn't a prophet of Yahve so Jews think that muslims also dont have claim /connedtion to Jerusalem. You got my point?

 

[Whatsthepoint]

All countries in the region (Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt, Syria) must be stripped of the capablity to make any kind of millitary offensive other than a counter-offensive in the event that somebody else attacks them. This will help to ensure peace.

I don't think this is an option. Israel is threatened not only by Syria and Egypt but virtually by every Arab state...combined. Hence it cannot afford having a weak military.

 

[ahsan28]

Propably not, but for Jews a muslim prophet Muhammed wasn't a prophet of Yahve so Jews think that muslims also dont have claim /connedtion to Jerusalem. You got my point?

Jerusalem was our first holy kaaba and we have our Aqsa Mosque there. On the contrary Jews don't have any sacred place in Mecca and Medina. I therefore don't see any connection.

 

[The_Prince]

But Palestine was part of Jordan to start with, and so was Israel. And face it, a Palestinian state would never survive on its own. I bet a few weeks after independence some millitia will go and fire a few rockets over the border, and Israel will go insane, as it usually does, and re-occupy Palestine. And in the mean time, Israel's secret agencies will no doubt try their best make sure that Palestine never grows a significant army to defend itself with. The best chance for Palestine is for it to join up with a larger, more powerful country like Jordan.

As for Israel, the Negev (southern Israel) will be given to Jordan as compensation for the massive destruction of infrastructure in Palestine. Northern Israel will stay independent as a Jewish state. Jerusalem and the surrounding areas should become a separate city-state, ruled by a tri-religious council, and the Golan Heights should become part of Syria again.

All countries in the region (Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt, Syria) must be stripped of the capablity to make any kind of millitary offensive other than a counter-offensive in the event that somebody else attacks them. This will help to ensure peace.

wrong again, Jordan became a country with borders and all by 1946, my familly and many other Palestinians were living in a village around Jerusalem for centuries and centuries, we were never jordanians or living on jordanian land. We were always Palestinians.

again, it is a zionist lie that we Palestinians are Jordanians or we were on Jordanian land, I repeat we were living on this land which we knew and refered to as Palestine (filistine) with our own culture and identity......

the west bank was only under Jordanian rule from 1948-1967, many Arabs opposed this as well.....

and btw i have no problem with Jordan or Jordanians, but Jordan is Jordan, and Palestine is Palestine, I am a Palestinian from the land of Palestine, i am not a Jordanian from Jordan. No one will ever rob of us of our identity and history and make false claims that we are Jordanians or were part of Jordan.

as for Palestine not being able to stand on its own or whatever, well that isnt for you, a 16 year old to decide. It is our land, and many Palestinians have been suffering to gain their independance for decades, so it is their right to get their own country and land once and for all.

and you make a funny comment, Jordan is powerful? Israel today is in this strong position because they completely destroyed the Jordanians in the 67 war, not only the Jordanians, but the Egyptions, and Syrians as well!

it is easy for people who have their own country and living nice and happy to tell Palestinians "oh yeah just give your land to Jordan, no problem, no Palestine, just become one with them, give up your identity its all good" its very easy for others to say this as if its like giving away a piece of chicken.

infact forget all the borders, we should bring the Khalifah back and have no borders and all the middle-east will simply be under the rule of Islam, that is the way to go, everyone will have their identity and culture through this, just like they did when Islam ruled........

Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon etc etc all of them are a bunch of weak sell out puppy stooges to America and dont represent one person on the ground.

 

[AntiKarateKid]

Hmm I am confused as well now, we are to share but then again non Muslims are not allowed in Mecca...hmmm

WHen I think about it, that prohibition is due to safety . An unbeliever may try and destroy the Kaaba. BUT in Jerusalem, nether side would really harm the holy site as it is dear to BOTH sides not just 1.

 

[snakelegs]

it isn't really comparable.
jerusalem is holy to all 3 religions and the kaaba is holy only to muslims.

 

[ahsan28]

The Chief Rabbi is not alone in this sacred mission


Jewish group to build 200 new housing units in East Jerusalem

Haaretz Correspondent
31/01/2008


The Yemin Yehuda non-profit association has begun building 200 housing units in the Shimon Hatzaddik compound, in the heart of East Jerusalem's Sheikh Jarra neighborhood. In the process, the organization intends to demolish the homes of dozens of Palestinian families who live there.

This neighborhood is in a strategic location: If Yemin Yehuda completes its plan, it will cut the Old City off from the Palestinian neighborhoods in northern Jerusalem.


http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/949976.html

 

[north_malaysian]

it isn't really comparable.
jerusalem is holy to all 3 religions and the kaaba is holy only to muslims.

Now, the Kaabah is only holy for Muslims...

But, is it true that during the pre-Islamic Mecca, the Christian Arabs and Jewish Arabs also consider Kaabah to be holy?

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

It isn't really comparable.

Jerusalem is holy to all 3 religions and the Kaaba is holy only to muslims.

Birth place of Ali ibn Abi Talib isn't it?

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Now, the Kaabah is only holy for Muslims...

But, is it true that during the pre-Islamic Mecca, the Christian Arabs and Jewish Arabs also consider Kaabah to be holy?

Pagans considered it holy as well, didn't they?

 

[Keltoi]

Pagans considered it holy as well, didn't they?

Yes, in the pre-Islamic era.

 

[MaiCarInMtl]

I'm just not getting why people are told to share and then others turn around and say "it's ours, get out!". Didn't God give us the whole planet to share? And we all know that just because someone lay clame to something, it doesn't necessarily mean that anyone else will respect it.

Someone else mentionned that people might try to get in and damage the place, that is a possibility. But what about the people who are genuinely interested in seing the place? Why not give them an escort (or give a small group an escort)? Of course, not during the high season and days where the place is already overflowing with people.

Maybe I'm just being a major granola hippy here, but it just makes me a bit sad that I may never get to see this amazing place, experience even just a fraction of how it feels to be there simply because I do not call myself a Muslim. I believe in God, I believe in the prophet, I believe in everything the religion teaches and have a lot of respect for it, yet I am barred simply because I am not labelled a certain thing.

Is there a rule somewhere saying that non-muslims cannot enter? Who made this rule? I'd just like to know for clarification's sake. Thank you

 

[Roasted Cashew]

Now, the Kaabah is only holy for Muslims...

But, is it true that during the pre-Islamic Mecca, the Christian Arabs and Jewish Arabs also consider Kaabah to be holy?

I might be wrong but I don't think it was HOLY for the Christian Arabs and Jewish Arabs. YES, it was considered holy by Pagan Arabs. The Kaabah was Built by Prophet Abraham and Prophet Ishmael(peace be upon them both) as a place of worship of the one true God, but later after their time the Pagans took over. They started putting in their idols and stuff.

Earlier:

Prophet Abraham(pbuh) also prayed that a prophet be raised from the progeny of Ishmael, who would be the inhabitants this land, as the progeny of Isaac would inhabit the lands of Canaan.

“And raise up in their midst a Messenger from among them who shall recite to them Your revelations, and shall instruct them in the Scripture and in wisdom and shall purify them of their sins. Lo! You, only You, are the Mighty, the Wise.” (Quran 2:127-129)

Abraham’s prayer for a Messenger was answered several thousand years later when God raised Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) among the Arabs, and as Mecca was chosen to be a sanctuary and House of Worship for all humanity, so too was the Prophet of Mecca one sent to all humanity.

 

[Keltoi]

I might be wrong but I don't think it was HOLY for the Christian Arabs and Jewish Arabs. YES, it was considered holy by Pagan Arabs. The Kaabah was Built by Prophet Abraham and Prophet Ishmael(peace be upon them both) as a place of worship of the one true God, but later after their time the Pagans took over. They started putting in their idols and stuff.

Earlier:

Prophet Abraham(pbuh) also prayed that a prophet be raised from the progeny of Ishmael, who would be the inhabitants this land, as the progeny of Isaac would inhabit the lands of Canaan.

“And raise up in their midst a Messenger from among them who shall recite to them Your revelations, and shall instruct them in the Scripture and in wisdom and shall purify them of their sins. Lo! You, only You, are the Mighty, the Wise.” (Quran 2:127-129)

Abraham’s prayer for a Messenger was answered several thousand years later when God raised Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) among the Arabs, and as Mecca was chosen to be a sanctuary and House of Worship for all humanity, so too was the Prophet of Mecca one sent to all humanity.

I'm just curious as to what evidence there is that the Kaabah was "built" by Abraham? Is that purely scriptural or is there some other basis for that?

 

[Roasted Cashew]

Is there a rule somewhere saying that non-muslims cannot enter? Who made this rule? I'd just like to know for clarification's sake. Thank you

I am seriously not sure but this is what I found from this site below:
http://islam.about.com/od/hajj/f/mecca.htm

And I quote:
Mecca and Madinah are cities of great importance in Islamic tradition -- centers of pilgrimage and prayer, sacred places where Muslims are free from the distractions of daily life. The ban on non-Muslim visitors is mentioned in the Qur’an as follows: "Oh you who believe! Truly the idolaters are unclean; so let them not, after this year, approach the Sacred Mosque...." (9:28). This verse specifically refers to the Grand Mosque in Mecca; later scholars have included Madinah in this ruling as well. There are some Islamic scholars who would permit exceptions to this general rule, for trade purposes or for people who are under treaty permission. There is also some debate about the exact area and borders of the restricted area(s). The government of Saudi Arabia, which controls access to the holy sites, has decided upon a strict ban on both cities in their entirety.

Restricting access to Mecca and Madinah is intended to provide a place of peace and refuge for Muslim believers and preserve the sanctity of the holy cities.


# I noticed it says idolaters. So what about other monotheists? Just thinking.