Report: Fatah men executed in front of wives and children

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How could they execute them like that? Hamas are animals. I pray that Islam does not allow such violence. How could they call themselves a "religious" group dedicated to Islam and break Islamic rules of decency so badly? I cannot imagine Islam actually supports such killing.

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Fifteen Palestinians were killed and 80 were wounded as Hamas fighters overran one of Fatah's most important security installations in the Gaza Strip on Thursday, and witnesses said the victors dragged vanquished gunmen from the building and shot them to death gangland-style in the street in front of their families.

The capture of the Preventive Security headquarters was a major step forward in Hamas's attempts to complete its takeover of all of Gaza. Hamas followed up that victory by demanding Fatah surrender another key security installation.

Hamas also overran the southern city of Rafah, the second of Gaza's four main towns to fall into the Islamic group's hands.

Later Thursday, an explosion rocked Gaza City, and smoke was seen rising from a security post. Fatah security officials said forces positioned at the post had redeployed elsewhere and blown it up as they left, rather than let Hamas take it over.

Earlier, Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas of Fatah, for the first time in five days of fierce fighting, ordered his elite presidential guard to strike back. But his forces were crumbling fast under the onslaught by the better-armed and better-disciplined Islamic fighters.

A Hamas military victory in Gaza would split Palestinian territory into two, with the Islamic extremists controlling the coastal strip and Fatah ruling the West Bank. Israel was watching the carnage closely, concerned the clashes might spawn attacks on the southern border.

Defense Minister Amir Peretz told a weekly meeting of security officials that Israel would not allow the violence to spread into attacks on southern Israel, meeting participants said.

The battle for the Preventive Security complex brought the day's death toll to 25 by mid-afternoon, hospital and security officials said. About 90 people, most of them gunmen but including children and other civilians, have been killed since a spike in violence Sunday sent Gaza into civil war.

Fatah said Hamas shot to death seven of its fighters outside the Preventive Security building. A doctor at Shifa Hospital, who spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisal, said he examined two bodies that had been shot in the head at close range.

A witness, who identified himself only as Amjad, said men were killed before their wives and children.

"They are executing them one by one," Amjad said in a telephone interview, declining to give his full name for fear of reprisals. "They are carrying one of them on their shoulders, putting him on a sand dune, turning him around and shooting."

As Hamas took this major battle spoil, the Palestine Liberation Organization's top body recommended that Abbas declare a state of emergency and dismantle Fatah's governing coalition with Hamas. Abbas said he would review the recommendations and make decision within hours, said an aide, Nabil Amr.

After the rout at the Preventive Security complex, some of the Hamas fighters kneeled down outside, touching their foreheads to the ground in prayer. Others led Fatah gunmen out of the building, some shirtless or in their underwear, holding their arms in the air. Several of the Fatah men flinched as the crack of gunfire split the air.

www.jpost.com
 
And now just think that lately Norway prime minister invited Hamas leader to his country.
 
this could probably be merged with the Gaza war thread, especially since there are people in that thread that believe Hamas is a great Islamic government, surely they wouldnt back these unislamic acts, but it would be interesting to see
 
Hamas was elected gov't by the people for the people. It is the west that has refused to recognized them. And it is US that is supporting and funding Fatah and his men against a legtimately elected gov't to over throw it. Islamic or not, this is politics and governship. I'm sure US would do the same if the black panthers or KKK or the national guard takes over half the country and doesn't listen to the government. It's so easy for you to label them terrorists and call them animals ignorantly and not see the whole picture and yet be perfectly ok with gov't doing such a thing in your countries for anyone who who tries to over throw the gov't. By taking over full security of the area and taking care of those loyalists to an old regime with treasonous attempts, hamas will inshallah make it safer for everyone there. There won't be any fightings between the two group as there will be only one group and one gov't, a legtimate gov't elected by the people despite what the westerners label them.

Hamas, an Islamic organisation, rose to prominence in Gaza during two Palestinian uprisings, and refuses to recognise or negotiate with Israel.

Fatah, a secular political grouping headed by Mr Abbas, ran the Palestinian Authority before 2006 and officially recognises the Jewish state.

A Hamas TV station showed pictures of militants tramping triumphantly through the ransacked HQ, reviled by Hamas as a symbol of Fatah's violent offensives against the Islamic group during the 1990s.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6751079.stm


Hamas helped with the uprisings after the zionists oppression was too unbearable for the palestinians. Hamas is working for the palestinians and refuses to recognize the occupiers who continously kill palestiniansa nd oppress them. Then you have fatah the secular extremists who supporsts israel shamelessly when they kill his people. He is a sell out who doesn't care about his people.

Hey rav you forgot to include this part in your news!

Meanwhile, there were also reports that at least four young Palestinians were killed by an explosion in Rafah.


However, Israel denied its forces had fired in the area.


and as always, the two face zionists deny everything they do and play dumb if caught red handed.




 
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I thought that after four years of these sick stories coming out of that region I would be apathetic by now, but it still disturbs me, the lengths some will go to instill fear. I'm sure neither side has the moral high ground here, and that is what makes it even more disturbing. Just mindless carnage, like in other places I could name.
 
The news artical can't be trusted, until there is proper evidence, you should not believe in it..........
 
The news artical can't be trusted, until there is proper evidence, you should not believe in it..........

The witnesses like doctors, family members, neighbors, and others are indeed proper evidence. Does anyone not find it hypocritical that some people here have the guts to actually suggest that every claim made by one Palestinian and some times no Palestinian even claims it… are proper evidence to attack Israel, yet when Hamas is charged with a crime, you need a video tape and confession to have “proper evidence” and even then it may not be enough. What a sorry case!
 
The witnesses like doctors, family members, neighbors, and others are indeed proper evidence. Does anyone not find it hypocritical that some people here have the guts to actually suggest that every claim made by one Palestinian and some times no Palestinian even claims it… are proper evidence to attack Israel, yet when Hamas is charged with a crime, you need a video tape and confession to have “proper evidence” and even then it may not be enough. What a sorry case!

the article you quote has this guy named amjad speaking of such acts, wheres the doctorS and familly members? or is amjad 20 ppl you refer to? hamas denied doing such things saying the dead were only killed by gunbattles, hence plz get a better source of info othr than 'amjad' by the phone!
 
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this could probably be merged with the Gaza war thread, especially since there are people in that thread that believe Hamas is a great Islamic government, surely they wouldnt back these unislamic acts, but it would be interesting to see

hamas is great, :) and they sure as heck still have the majority support in the muslim world, not fatah. :)
 
I defend who in my belief will bring peace and the least bloodshed.

Here is some reading material Sami:

Hamas leaders said they were planning to hold Friday prayers inside the compound after "liberating" it from Abbas's loyalists. "With God's will, we will all pray in the Saraya," declared Nizar Rayan, a prominent Hamas official. "We call on Abbas's army of prostitutes to surrender or else they will be executed in public."

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1181570271436&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull

They basically said in public they will execute people. What makes you believe they have not already. Half of Palestinian claims which your rely on are based on witness testimony, and this case is no different.

Fatah officials said seven of their fighters were shot dead in the street outside Preventive Security building. A witness, Jihad Abu Ayad, said the men were being killed before their wives and children.

"They are executing them one by one," Abu Ayad said. "They are carrying one of them on their shoulders, putting him on a sand dune, turning him around and shooting."
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/870763.html

Believe what you wish Sami. I have just observed that your need for evidence depends on who is accused of the crime.
 
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Zionism is actually not Judaism at all, in many cases it is the opposite. However, where most Orthodox Jews stand is that, the sin was commited as in the state was formed while we are still in the redemprion process. To give you an anology, if you asked a women if she were to let her baby out one day before it was suppose to, and it may have effects would she? No she would not... That is the case here. We are still in the pregnancy (exile) and we cannot be let out early although the exile might be painful i.e. Holocaust, peresecution from all religion... we have lessons to learn, and the job of elevating our souls. As I was saying, the sin was commited, so now the matter is how many lives can we save? Sami, do you honestly think in my point of view Hamas in power will lead to less bloodshed? Maybe you know things I do not know about them.

One of the oaths is "that Israel shall not go up [all together as if surrounded] by a wall" and if they do the redemption and Moshiach will come to save us, but it will take longer and be more painful.

The Gemara in Kesubos 111a says: if we violate this oath then The Holy One, blessed be He, said to Israel, 'If you will keep the adjuration, well and good; but if not, I will permit your flesh [to be a prey] like [that of] the gazelles and the hinds of the field'. Which people like the Satmar Rebbe say why the Holocaust happend... i.e. G-d did not use his power to stop Hitler from using his free will to hate and kill Jews as he protected us in the past.

So now we wait for Moshiach longer because Zionists... but of course, he will come and even if you do not believe it Sami, we will live in peace one day.
 
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I think everyone must remember that a muslim cant commit a crime. In order for a muslim to be remotely guilty, you need millions of witnesses, video tape from hundreds of angles and a declaration from God (serious sarcasm).
 
Question: Why until now, Palestinians failed to have an independent country?
Answer: They're fighting each others.


Conclusion: I think most Malaysians are so sick to see Palestinian fighting each others, making us going to give our donations elsewhere.. Why giving money to failures... so sad.
 
I think everyone must remember that a muslim cant commit a crime. In order for a muslim to be remotely guilty, you need millions of witnesses, video tape from hundreds of angles and a declaration from God (serious sarcasm).

i understand why you get that impression, but it is not that simple. muslims will most certainly criticize other muslims - and themselves. for example, it is very common to hear muslims blaming themselves for the sorry state muslims are in. few have any praise for their leaders.
 


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Hamas gunmen deploy near Fatah's security services base in Gaza City.

That is, of course, what CNN would have you believe. If you look closely you can just see a partly covered Star of David shoulder patch on the guy on the extreme left with the gray shirt.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/06/14/gaza/index.html#
 
Question: Why until now, Palestinians failed to have an independent country?
Answer: They're fighting each others.


Conclusion: I think most Malaysians are so sick to see Palestinian fighting each others, making us going to give our donations elsewhere.. Why giving money to failures... so sad.

It was my thought too ! When Palestinians don't fight against Israelis and they have nobody else to annoy, they fight themselves, then drawn themselves in self-pityness !

How shameful ! :cry:
 

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