Assalamu Alaikum,
I am looking for a forum where we can unite Muslim brothers from all distant and remote communities of the world.
I am from Bangladesh and saw the break up of Pakistan as I grew up. From my experience I have come to the following realization over the years:
- Bangladesh, as a geographically small Muslim country is not a viable state, as it cannot address two of its immediate dangers facing its 160 million population, of which 90% is Muslim
* river-linking project for all rivers at upstream zones in India that will dry up the rivers in dry winter season and will inundate the entire country with excess water during monsoon season, in other words the seasonal flooding will get much worse after the river-linking project is completed with barages put in place in all rivers at upstream locations - just like the Farakka Barage has already contributed to environmental imbalance in downstream areas of the river Ganges (Padma, as is locally known)
* Global warming in 50 years may increase sea-level by 1 Meter and that will displace 10-15 million people in Bangladesh from its fertile low-lying Bhati areas, this is currently being promoted as the first human casualty of Global warming. Experts still cannot agree, but evidences are mounting
- Being part of a bigger unit has its benefits, in the old days empires were brought upon nations and communities by force and internal peace within a large empire always fostered trade improving the lives of all citizen. Regardless of how it was achieved a long lived large unit always flourished, although eventually they always fell apart. Yet they do serve a purpose for their time and age in advancing human evolution, in my opinion. Mostly it is economies of Scale that gives the bigger unit its comparative advantage, bigger markets, bigger production base etc.
- Ancient Chinese, Indian, Mesopotamian, Egyptian/North African and Meso-American empires left their marks, so did Greek, Roman, Persian, Islamic, Mongolian, Slavic and Turkish empires. The recent Mercantile empire of Renaissance colonizers has also left their legacy out of which the West has emerged
- The colonizing empires eventually collapsed as they could no longer hold on to their colonies, and then emerged the non-colonizing natural large unit, the US, which was able to withstand and to contribute to the demise of the Communist bloc, an unnatural form of Union that was forced upon nations and people of Eastern Europe and Eurasia, by the old Slavic empire, in the name of Bolshevism
- The US inherited the torch of Renaissance and is now the reigning global hegemon, the sole and unmatched super power. Europe is trying to form a super-state to emulate the success of the US, by way of EC. Its success so far is countable and limited
- In this background, two other large units are emerging, namely China and India, which seem to be able to take advantage of their economies of scale, China in manufacturing and India in IT sector, Medical services etc.
- Bangladesh or Pakistan (although it has nuclear deterrence) is no match for India’s size and will continue to be bullied and be a victim, it is the law of the jungle, might is right etc.
- Muslims from other parts of the world were saddened to see the breakup of Pakistan and it has some lessons for all of us, here in my opinion, in very brief over-simplified terms, is what happened:
* Jinnah and other elite Indian Muslims wanted to unite the country under one language Urdu, but Bengal Muslim’s with their age-old Bangla language which was actually developed under Turkistani Sultanate and Mughal rule in Bengal, did not want to give up a mother-tongue and rightly so. 98% population of the then East Pakistan spoke the language. If Jinnah had promoted Arabic rather than Urdu, as the third language (Bangla being 1st, English 2nd), Bengal Muslims would have gladly accepted
* Jinnah moved to the Western wing and set up capital there. Although the Eastern wing had 50%+ of the population, it was made one province, where the Western wing had five provinces, and all provinces got equal share of the budget - which meant that 50% of the population was apportioned 17% of the budget.
* Ironically, Jute, the main exportable cash crop of then Pakistan was produced in the marshy Eastern wing and earned 70% of export earnings from 1947-1971
* Initially, highly educated muslims from present day India (Bombay, Delhi) monopolized the government administration, but soon the Punjabi muslims took over, due to their proximity to the capital and because they joined the army in large numbers, while they excluded Bengal Muslims since they are not from a “martial race”
* the feeling of Racial superiority of North-west Indian Punjabi’s who are more “Aryan” types, and of the Urdu speaking Indian Muslim who were descendant’s of Central Asian Muslim invaders, was too much for the poor Bengali Muslims, who were mostly dark skinned Dravidian types converted from lower caste Hindu’s with smattering of immigrant blood in the elite families - after the removal of British raj, they now had two bosses to deal with, who looked down on them and robbed them of their resources at the same time
* despite all of the above, the average Bengal Muslim would never dream of breaking up Pakistan, unless it was for the instigation of Indian RAW (Indian CIA, Research And Intelligence Wing) and our national traitor Sheikh Mujib, whose entire family is India’s agent, both of whom were helped by politicians of the western wing
* Bright individuals like Bhutto and General Yahya Khan unleashed a genocide in Dhaka on 25th March, 1971 on fellow Muslims and took us to the point of irreconcilable differences, how can you trust a partner that thinks that they are superior to you because they look better, deal with you unfairly and finally want to kill you to make us subservient to them. Obviously, all sane Bengal Muslims then followed the so called “father of nation” Sheikh Mujib and with the help of India, got rid of this nuisance
- the bitter taste of the Pakistan period remains with Bangladeshi Muslims and although relationships have steadily improved since 1971 and are very friendly now (much better compared to our relation with India), neither Pakistan nor Bangladesh has any desire to reunite, but the possibility of a global Islamic Common Market, where many countries will participate is much more acceptable to both people, if I am not wrong
- I would welcome Muslim brothers from Pakistan to correct any wrong statements I have made. I must emphasize that despite all that has happened, it is in the past, a generation has passed and also everything that has happened, it was due to stupidity of politicians in both wings East and West, the victims were of course the people of both wings, ie the people of Pakistan and Bangladesh
- the purpose to bring this issue up was to show the complexity of uniting diverse communities under the banner of Islam. In todays age of democracy and free flow of information, I believe a common market gradual approach like EC is the best approach, of course there is no reason why we cannot try to implement as much of Sharia law as possible. In my opinion, HE Mahathir Muhammad of Malaysia, is one of the best qualified to give advice for such an initiative
- After the breakup of last three remaining Islamic empires, the Ottoman, the Safavid and the Mughal - the remnants of the Islamic world have morphed into many small nation states in the Muslim world, resulting in non viable entities like Bangladesh
- Muslim’s of today do not just live in small non-viable states, but they also live in minority enclaves, such as Kashmir in India, Xinjiang and Ninxia of China, Southern Russia, Mindanao, South Thailand to name a few, even the largest Muslim state of Indonesia cannot compete with China or India, due to size constraint
The idea of this thread will be to hear from diverse Muslim people, from Hui Muslims in Ninxia, Kazakh Muslims in Bayan Olgii to Berber Muslims in Morocco and Algeria and our Sub-Saharan Muslim brothers from Darfur to Nigeria. Hopefully, with increased dialogue and exchange of information, we can form a group of representatives from all distant Muslim communities.
OIC does its job well, buts its scope is limited. We would like to form a more grass root people’s group, whose feet are in the ground and who are from among the people and the communities. Our work and connections will complement the work of OIC to unite the Ummah and hopefully we will be able to join hands with OIC at a future date.
Anyone that is involved with, supports or sympathizes with violence (that is not sanctioned by established authorities on Islam) or promotes separatism against any existing nation states, will not be welcome and will be expelled from the group, as in my opinion, sabr is a better tool for getting results.
The group will work to expose injustice and among other things do brain-storming ideas on how together we can act on small projects to improve comparative advantage of the people of the Ummah, such as sponsoring scholarship for top students in remote disadvantaged Muslim communities, and encouraging study of Robotics, Artificial Intelligence and Cognitive Science among Muslim students which has tremendous future potentials to revolutionize economy and society.
Together, Insha-allah, we shall make a difference. Allah help those, who make the effort to help themselves.
Wassalamu Alaikum
I am looking for a forum where we can unite Muslim brothers from all distant and remote communities of the world.
I am from Bangladesh and saw the break up of Pakistan as I grew up. From my experience I have come to the following realization over the years:
- Bangladesh, as a geographically small Muslim country is not a viable state, as it cannot address two of its immediate dangers facing its 160 million population, of which 90% is Muslim
* river-linking project for all rivers at upstream zones in India that will dry up the rivers in dry winter season and will inundate the entire country with excess water during monsoon season, in other words the seasonal flooding will get much worse after the river-linking project is completed with barages put in place in all rivers at upstream locations - just like the Farakka Barage has already contributed to environmental imbalance in downstream areas of the river Ganges (Padma, as is locally known)
* Global warming in 50 years may increase sea-level by 1 Meter and that will displace 10-15 million people in Bangladesh from its fertile low-lying Bhati areas, this is currently being promoted as the first human casualty of Global warming. Experts still cannot agree, but evidences are mounting
- Being part of a bigger unit has its benefits, in the old days empires were brought upon nations and communities by force and internal peace within a large empire always fostered trade improving the lives of all citizen. Regardless of how it was achieved a long lived large unit always flourished, although eventually they always fell apart. Yet they do serve a purpose for their time and age in advancing human evolution, in my opinion. Mostly it is economies of Scale that gives the bigger unit its comparative advantage, bigger markets, bigger production base etc.
- Ancient Chinese, Indian, Mesopotamian, Egyptian/North African and Meso-American empires left their marks, so did Greek, Roman, Persian, Islamic, Mongolian, Slavic and Turkish empires. The recent Mercantile empire of Renaissance colonizers has also left their legacy out of which the West has emerged
- The colonizing empires eventually collapsed as they could no longer hold on to their colonies, and then emerged the non-colonizing natural large unit, the US, which was able to withstand and to contribute to the demise of the Communist bloc, an unnatural form of Union that was forced upon nations and people of Eastern Europe and Eurasia, by the old Slavic empire, in the name of Bolshevism
- The US inherited the torch of Renaissance and is now the reigning global hegemon, the sole and unmatched super power. Europe is trying to form a super-state to emulate the success of the US, by way of EC. Its success so far is countable and limited
- In this background, two other large units are emerging, namely China and India, which seem to be able to take advantage of their economies of scale, China in manufacturing and India in IT sector, Medical services etc.
- Bangladesh or Pakistan (although it has nuclear deterrence) is no match for India’s size and will continue to be bullied and be a victim, it is the law of the jungle, might is right etc.
- Muslims from other parts of the world were saddened to see the breakup of Pakistan and it has some lessons for all of us, here in my opinion, in very brief over-simplified terms, is what happened:
* Jinnah and other elite Indian Muslims wanted to unite the country under one language Urdu, but Bengal Muslim’s with their age-old Bangla language which was actually developed under Turkistani Sultanate and Mughal rule in Bengal, did not want to give up a mother-tongue and rightly so. 98% population of the then East Pakistan spoke the language. If Jinnah had promoted Arabic rather than Urdu, as the third language (Bangla being 1st, English 2nd), Bengal Muslims would have gladly accepted
* Jinnah moved to the Western wing and set up capital there. Although the Eastern wing had 50%+ of the population, it was made one province, where the Western wing had five provinces, and all provinces got equal share of the budget - which meant that 50% of the population was apportioned 17% of the budget.
* Ironically, Jute, the main exportable cash crop of then Pakistan was produced in the marshy Eastern wing and earned 70% of export earnings from 1947-1971
* Initially, highly educated muslims from present day India (Bombay, Delhi) monopolized the government administration, but soon the Punjabi muslims took over, due to their proximity to the capital and because they joined the army in large numbers, while they excluded Bengal Muslims since they are not from a “martial race”
* the feeling of Racial superiority of North-west Indian Punjabi’s who are more “Aryan” types, and of the Urdu speaking Indian Muslim who were descendant’s of Central Asian Muslim invaders, was too much for the poor Bengali Muslims, who were mostly dark skinned Dravidian types converted from lower caste Hindu’s with smattering of immigrant blood in the elite families - after the removal of British raj, they now had two bosses to deal with, who looked down on them and robbed them of their resources at the same time
* despite all of the above, the average Bengal Muslim would never dream of breaking up Pakistan, unless it was for the instigation of Indian RAW (Indian CIA, Research And Intelligence Wing) and our national traitor Sheikh Mujib, whose entire family is India’s agent, both of whom were helped by politicians of the western wing
* Bright individuals like Bhutto and General Yahya Khan unleashed a genocide in Dhaka on 25th March, 1971 on fellow Muslims and took us to the point of irreconcilable differences, how can you trust a partner that thinks that they are superior to you because they look better, deal with you unfairly and finally want to kill you to make us subservient to them. Obviously, all sane Bengal Muslims then followed the so called “father of nation” Sheikh Mujib and with the help of India, got rid of this nuisance
- the bitter taste of the Pakistan period remains with Bangladeshi Muslims and although relationships have steadily improved since 1971 and are very friendly now (much better compared to our relation with India), neither Pakistan nor Bangladesh has any desire to reunite, but the possibility of a global Islamic Common Market, where many countries will participate is much more acceptable to both people, if I am not wrong
- I would welcome Muslim brothers from Pakistan to correct any wrong statements I have made. I must emphasize that despite all that has happened, it is in the past, a generation has passed and also everything that has happened, it was due to stupidity of politicians in both wings East and West, the victims were of course the people of both wings, ie the people of Pakistan and Bangladesh
- the purpose to bring this issue up was to show the complexity of uniting diverse communities under the banner of Islam. In todays age of democracy and free flow of information, I believe a common market gradual approach like EC is the best approach, of course there is no reason why we cannot try to implement as much of Sharia law as possible. In my opinion, HE Mahathir Muhammad of Malaysia, is one of the best qualified to give advice for such an initiative
- After the breakup of last three remaining Islamic empires, the Ottoman, the Safavid and the Mughal - the remnants of the Islamic world have morphed into many small nation states in the Muslim world, resulting in non viable entities like Bangladesh
- Muslim’s of today do not just live in small non-viable states, but they also live in minority enclaves, such as Kashmir in India, Xinjiang and Ninxia of China, Southern Russia, Mindanao, South Thailand to name a few, even the largest Muslim state of Indonesia cannot compete with China or India, due to size constraint
The idea of this thread will be to hear from diverse Muslim people, from Hui Muslims in Ninxia, Kazakh Muslims in Bayan Olgii to Berber Muslims in Morocco and Algeria and our Sub-Saharan Muslim brothers from Darfur to Nigeria. Hopefully, with increased dialogue and exchange of information, we can form a group of representatives from all distant Muslim communities.
OIC does its job well, buts its scope is limited. We would like to form a more grass root people’s group, whose feet are in the ground and who are from among the people and the communities. Our work and connections will complement the work of OIC to unite the Ummah and hopefully we will be able to join hands with OIC at a future date.
Anyone that is involved with, supports or sympathizes with violence (that is not sanctioned by established authorities on Islam) or promotes separatism against any existing nation states, will not be welcome and will be expelled from the group, as in my opinion, sabr is a better tool for getting results.
The group will work to expose injustice and among other things do brain-storming ideas on how together we can act on small projects to improve comparative advantage of the people of the Ummah, such as sponsoring scholarship for top students in remote disadvantaged Muslim communities, and encouraging study of Robotics, Artificial Intelligence and Cognitive Science among Muslim students which has tremendous future potentials to revolutionize economy and society.
Together, Insha-allah, we shall make a difference. Allah help those, who make the effort to help themselves.
Wassalamu Alaikum
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