Representative group from all muslim communities

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Some of the links may be off-topic, but most are interesting. I thought I would share these:

http://ark.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/ft067n99v9/
http://www.globalwebpost.com/farooqm/study_res/default.html
http://www.irfi.org/board_of_trustees.htm
http://www.uq.net.au/~zzhsoszy/ips/b/bengal.html
http://www.themodernreligion.com/index2.html
http://www2.hawaii.edu/~dru/tombs.htm
http://www.shsu.edu/~his_ncp/Nomads.html
http://pcp.lanl.gov/
http://www.historycooperative.org/journals/ahr/109.4/esenbel.html
http://www.chinamuslim.per.sg/origin/origin.htm
http://www.mtholyoke.edu/courses/jlipman/whitehats.htm
http://www.iiu.edu.my/rector/book/chapter1.html
http://berclo.net/page96/96en-bangladesh.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/maillist.html
http://www.mountainguides.ru/china/article.shtml
http://www.silkroadcn.com/xinjiang/xinjiang_relief_map.htm
http://www.uwm.edu/~bketter/Research/Central_Asia_Maps/Location_full.html
http://et.4t.com/translatdoc1ee.html
http://countrystudies.us/kazakstan/
http://www.utoledo.edu/~nlight/qazaqs.htm
http://www.processedworld.com/Issues/issue32/i32death.html
http://www.ndu.edu/inss/symposia/pacific2000/gladneypaper.htm
http://www.berzinarchives.com/islam/index.html
http://www.angelfire.com/on/paksoy/
http://members.tripod.com/~Dzhan/culture/musicfiles.html
http://kazakhadoptivefamilies.com/music.html
http://www.eg-ban.com/constant-feud04.html
http://www.chinaknowledge.de/
http://pratyeka.org/books/kazak-exodus/
http://www.ozturkler.com/data_english/english.html
http://iicas.org/forumen.htm
http://www.hostkingdom.net/siberia.html
http://history-world.org/
 
New list of brothers in our group:

aamirsaab
Abdul Aziz
Ansar Al-'Adl
Chuck
Hash
khilji
Tayyib Musawwir

Would like to thank and congratulate brother Tayyib Musawwir for joining our group and opening a new thread to Dawah (invite) other Muslim brothers and sisters of all races and nationalities to join our group.
 
Current list:

aamirsaab
Abdul Aziz
Ansar Al-'Adl
Chuck
Hash
Imaad_udeen
khilji
Nakisai
Tayyib Musawwir

I would like to thank brother Imaad_udeen for joining our group. Sister Nakisai, I have added you in our group also, although I have not heard from you. Please let us know, if you get a chance.
 
BBC News World Edition

Srebrenica to remember massacre

Tens of thousands of people are expected to attend ceremonies marking the 10th anniversary of the massacre of Bosnian Muslims in Srebrenica.

About 8,000 men and boys were killed by Serbian forces in 1995, in Europe's worst atrocity since World War II.

British, French and Dutch ministers, as well as a US officials, will take part in a memorial at the Potocari cemetery, where many of the dead are buried.

Security is tight after two unexploded bombs were found nearby last week.

Former US Balkans envoy Richard Holbrooke and the president of the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY) are due to attend.

Over 1,500 policemen will be deployed to patrol the area.

During the ceremony, the remains of some 600 victims aged between 14 and 75 will be buried at the cemetery.

Denial

A Serbian delegation led by President Boris Tadic will attend the memorial for the first time - a move condemned by Serbian hardliners.

More than 600 killed in Srebrenica will be buried on Monday

In Serbia, many still believe the mass killings never took place.

But a new video showing the execution of Muslim civilians sparked national soul-searching among Serbs last month.

Mr Tadic has announced he will "bow to the innocent victims".

Former Bosnian Serb leader Radovan Karadzic and his army commander General Radko Mladic have been indicted for genocide, but they are still at large.

So far 1,300 bodies recovered from mass graves have been laid to rest after being identified through DNA testing.

But more than 4,500 body bags full of human remains still need to be analysed.

On Sunday, the Bosnian government announced a new mass grave believed to contain more bodies of people killed in the massacre had been found.

Thirty bodies have already been recovered from the grave, which is said to contain hundreds more.

Some 8,000 men and boys who had sought refuge were rounded up and killed after being separated from the women.
 
Fair trade tests G8 goodwill on Africa

By Brian Love Sun Jul 10, 8:44 AM ET

GLENEAGLES, Scotland (Reuters) - When the ink dried on G8 pledges to double aid for Africa, what was missing was a commitment to make life viable for cotton farmers and fishermen who are hurt by heavily subsidized U.S. and European rivals.
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Economic self-interest took a back seat when Group of Eight leaders signed off on debt relief and an extra $50 billion per year for under-developed regions at the Gleneagles golf resort in Scotland on July 8, half of it for Africa.

But the goodwill faded when the eight men were asked to stop government support for exports of farm produce so that needier countries can compete on a more even footing in world markets.

In Geneva, the head of the World Trade Organization said at the same time that long-running negotiations among close to 150 countries on broad liberalization of trade in agricultural and manufactured goods and services were in crisis.

Aid agencies were quick to point out that more market access and fairer trade was what Africa needed most but was least likely to get any time soon.

"Despite word games in Gleneagles, in ongoing trade talks in Geneva the US and EU are still pushing to retain subsidies by another name," ActionAid, a non-government development agency, said.

OLD RIVALRIES

The friction between Europe and the United States was almost palpable after British Prime Minister Tony Blair proposed that G8 countries set a 2010 deadline for halting export subsidies.

The proposal was shelved and an official communiqu said the G8 leaders were instead ready to work toward that goal "by a credible end date."

That did not stop big players such as the United States and the Europeans, the big subsidizers along with Japan, competing with offers of an end to farm aid, offers that analysts said were either too conditional or too vague to be meaningful.

President Bush said his country was ready to work with the 25-nation European Union on abolition of farm aid and that this might be doable by 2010.

French President Jacques Chirac said the EU had offered as much last year with no response from Washington and that Bush was making pledges to the media that he had not even aired inside the summit rooms of the Gleneagles hotel.

Indeed, Chirac said bluntly that no date would be set unless it was part of a broader package on trade in goods and services among nearly 150 countries involved in the so-called Doha Round of negotiations that are in trouble at WTO headquarters in Geneva.

The next big test of whether the rich G8 countries are serious about satisfying demands for more access to their markets and fairer trade with Africa comes in December in Hong Kong, when ministers will push for completion of the Doha Round free trade deal.

For now, there are plenty of other problems to contend with, such as a feud between Europe and the United States over aid to Airbus and Boeing, or threats by U.S. Congressmen to block surging Chinese exports of clothes and textiles.

COTTON ON

Helping Africa help itself means striking long-elusive deals on things like trade in cotton. 10 million farmers in West Africa suffer because of U.S. subsidies despite producing cotton for a third of the U.S. price, a recent report highlighted.

Subsidized fishing boats from the EU often catch more fish off African shores than local vessels, while African fish exports to the EU are limited, according to the report by the Commission for Africa, a group advising Blair and G8 leaders.

Irish rock star Bono, one of the figureheads of a campaign to rid Africa of poverty, met G8 leaders to congratulate them for raising aid, but also to make the point that fair trade was vital for Africa to fend for itself.

"Everyone wants the fishermen, not the fish," he said
 
JAKARTA (AFP) - The exiled leadership of the Aceh separatist movement has agreed to a demand by Jakarta that the tsunami-hit province should remain a part of Indonesia, the rebels said in a statement.

Free Aceh Movement (GAM) spokesman Bachtiar Abdullah said in the statement sent to AFP from Stockholm that the separatists and representatives from Aceh civil society groups agreed to the demand, a key prerequisite for peace talks.

During consultations in Sweden at the weekend, both sides agreed "the only way to a comprehensive and sustainable peace in Aceh was through a negotiated agreement that gives to the people of Aceh the right and capacity to determine their own affairs within the context of the Republic of Indonesia."

Jakarta has said any peace talks to end the conflict in the resource-rich province at the westernmost tip of Sumatra island could only proceed in the context of Aceh not seceding from Indonesia.

Indonesian government and separatist rebels will meet this week in Helsinki for a final round of informal peace talks amid optimism an end to three decades of conflict is in sight in Aceh, the hardest hit region in the December 26 tsunami disaster.

However, in the same statement, the GAM also reiterated its demand that Jakarta allows for the establishment of local political parties in Aceh, a request that has been consistently rejected by the Indonesian government.

Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono said last week the government could accept that former rebels run in local elections for the positions of mayors, district heads and deputies and of vice governor.

But he ruled out allowing local parties saying the laws only recognized national political parties with representations in the region.

In the statement, the GAM expressed commitment for a negotiated peace and said genuine democracy in Aceh would include "the establishment of local political parties under a system of self-government."

The participants to the meeting also expressed concern about continuing military activities in Aceh by the Indonesian armed forces, and opposition to the peace process "expressed by some opportunistic politicians in Jakarta," the statement said.

Several parliamentarians have criticized the government for opening peace talks with separatist rebels and lashed at Jakarta for agreeing on the involvement of foreign peace monitors saying it may internationalize the conflict.

Yudhoyono has since approached and obtained the support of the leaders of several key political parties for the peace talks.

The GAM statement did not identify or give details on the number of representatives of Aceh civil society groups attending the meeting held in Lidingoe, Sweden, with the assistance of the Olof Palme International Center.

Almost 15,000 people, mainly civilians, have been killed in Aceh since the GAM began its independence bid in 1976, with accusations of widespread rights abuses levelled at both sides.

An uneasy peace agreement was struck in 2002, but collapsed early the next year as the government launched a major operation to crush the rebels, placing the resource-rich region under temporary martial law. The region has now returned to normal status.
 
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Brother and Sisters of faith of this forum,

Its been less than a month since I joined this forum. My purpose was

to create awareness that our Ummah should be more united
to explore practical ways to achieve this objective and
to share these ideas with members

Out of around 1200 members of this forum we currently have 9 committed members who have become members of our group.

This website and www.ummah.com both are based in UK and most members are either from UK or US with a small number of members from other parts of the muslim world.

If we are to build bridges between the geographically diverse nation states of the muslim world, I believe all of us may consider the following work during our spare time:

- visit country specific forums of different Muslim countries
- visit University forums of different Universities in Muslim countries
- visit all Islam related forums (except forums that promotes violence against non-combatants)
- and invite Muslim members to come to a common space to share their views and opinions with others of the Ummah

Eventually we will need a private space, where access will be limited to members of the "group". I think both this site and Ummah.com has private spaces for purposes such as this. Currently the World Affairs of this site is our home. Ummahnews.com of www.ummah.com is an excellent resource. Journalists and reporters from different muslim communities can be the best candidates to become members of our global group, just like Univerisity students who are young, idealistic and have time to spare for causes such as this.

After some time, we will have a website whose sole purpose will be for the exclusive use of the members of this group and membership will be by invitation only. If we can have a sufficiently large member group, we may be able to join our efforts with those of OIC and D-8 organizations as I have mentioned earlier. The idea is to unite the efforts of diverse groups as long as the goals and purposes are the same.

Most websites currently have country and regional bias. Sites such as this one and Ummah.com have strong British and some times South Asian cultural overtones, as the majority of members are from these regions, if I am not mistaken. Our new website, which will be our eventual home, will have a balanced mix of members from all parts of the Ummah where no one will feel intimidated or cultural peer pressure to have certain level or standard of English or any other such standards which are not that relevant for the unification and development of the Ummah. We will develop our own global Ummatic culture if we can have such a thing, Insha-Allah.

Available spare time for one person in a 24 hour day is limited, so I encourage all member of our group or any Muslim forum member to participate in our work. I hope it can become one of your causes as it deserves to be.

May Allah(SWT) guide you to the right path.

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Current homes for our group:


http://www.islamicboard.com/showthread.php?t=3060
LI Islamic Forum > General Forums > World Affairs > Representative group from all muslim communities

http://www.muslimglobe.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=583
Muslim Globe Forum > Main > Current Events > Representative group from all Muslim communities

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=61266
ummah.com forum > Main > Member Announcements > Representative group from all Muslim communities

http://al-islam.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=512&sid=4b37d70125951c86b12105743e08954b
Forum Index -> Pressing Issues of the Muslim Ummah > The Khilafah and The Current Political Situation > Representative group from all Muslim communities

Current members:

islamicboard.com:
aamirsaab
Abdul Aziz
Ansar
Chuck
Imaad_udeen
khilji
Nakisai
Tayyib Musawwir

ummah.com:
khilji
Salman Al-Farsi




Sample Dawah introductory announcement:

Assalamu Alaikum

We are a small group of Muslim brothers and sisters who has this idea that maybe if we could gather a bunch of Muslim brothers and sisters from all corners of the Muslim Ummah and share our thoughts and views, problems and their possible solutions and maybe if we could work on small projects for the uplifting of the Ummah, we could increase the feeling of solidarity among Muslims of different races and nationalities which would help the eventual reunification of the Ummah.

We have already started a group in www.islamicboard.com and have assembled around 8 members, mostly from US, UK and South Asia.

I am here to find like minded individual's who would like to join our modest group effort.

Please note, we will not ask for much from the members, at the most a few hours a week of your spare time, spent online, to work on various projects.

Initially we are going through a recruiting drive and we need Muslim brothers and sisters to visit:

- major country specific websites and forums of all countries with a significant muslim population
- University websites and forums of all Muslim majority countries and regions

to help our recruiting effort.

Please feel free to ask questions, we will be happy to share more details of our ideas.
 
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Brothers and Sisters from our group and others in the forum, I have been active at the following thread of this forum:

ummah.com forum > Main > Current Events > The Big Debate - Courtroom
Should Muslims work with Hizb ut-Tahrir to re-establish Khilafah?

Here I have engaged in some heated debate with HT members and supporters and I might even say that I have won the debate, as no one is responding after I have presented my research and analysis of the 40 page methods publication from HT website.

Since they are reluctant to discuss any other method than HT's method, I have opened a new thread here:

ummah.com forum > Main > Current Events > The Big Debate - Courtroom
To unite the Ummah, if Hizb ut-Tahrir's method will not work then what method will

To forum tech guru's, is it possible to have common workspace between multiple websites, where a forum subsection or thread can be visible from all websites, via some kind of hyper-link. Till we have something like this, we will have to live with this inconvenience for now. For the time being, I will continue my work at the above forum.

I would encourage you to sign up there, follow the debate and participate with your posts there.

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Hashim said:
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khilji, greetings. May i ask one small question. How can you work for unity by establishing another group? Brpther from reading your posts, a little advice, we have more than enough groups already akhee trust me. I think you should put less emphasis on the 'group' and more on the actual achiving unity. And second question akhee, how do you hope to build unity by taking a dig at other muslims, like hizbut tahrir who are doing more da'wah and working more for unity than yourself. Dont take this as insults, see this as constructive advice insh'allaah. I noticed you seemed a bit arragant, and you said you you 'won' the debate against certain hiazbu tahrir members about their methods. Subhanallaah, akhee when other people say, mash'llaah khiji really talks well he won the debate, that is when you habe truly won the debate. When you say it yourself, i belive thats called 'blowing your own rumpet'. I am not hizbu tahirir, i belong to no group and will join no group, i refue to do so. But i will 'debate' with you if you like here about hizbut tahrir methods, and there will be no 'winner' akhee i asssure you, just a discussion between two brothers.

I apoligisie akhee if i have offended you, and Allaah knows best.

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Brother Hashim, no offence taken. Let me answer your questions:

- actually I have pretty much given up on this idea of forming a group by recruiting members from these forums, the chances of success are not good, so I will look for other ways to help the unification of the Ummah, within my humble means

- I respect HT for the dawah they are doing and calling muslims towards Islam and Deen, but I disagree with their method of establishing Khilafat, in fact I posted some recommendations for making changes in their methodology in the above thread in Ummah.com, but seeing what I have seen so far, I doubt anyone there is willing to listen, everyone thinks that they have got the right idea and everyone must follow them. I think I am one of the minority in these forums when I say that lets all get together and decide, with the help of all our recognized experts, what is right for us to do and what is wrong

- I am not perfect, I may have my share of arrogance, but winning debate is not what I am after, I think we all grew up from our adolescence by now, I am no high school student, and no I do not take it as an insult, at least you care to respond to my posts and I thank you for that

I think it is time to wrap up this little project. If any of the members have any questions, please ask.

It was good debating with you guys and exchanging views, and I am sorry that I could not do more. But at least I could express my opinions on what we can do to change the situation that we, the muslims of the Ummah, find ourselves in today.

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Brother Hashim, thanks for your encouraging words. I do not believe I gave up hope, I believe in having hope till the day we pass away to akhirat. But I learnt from HT's approach that face-to-face meetings and starting with people around us are more appropriate ways to form groups and propagate ideas.

I will keep an eye on World Affairs from time to time to see if you have started the threads on the practical ideas.

Allah had given me the opportunity to see a few countries and societies up close and work in their midst. I hope and wish that I can bring some positive inputs from my personal experience to help the people of the Muslim Ummah.

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