Repulsive verses in the bible

[Gabriel Ibn Yus]

Aadil.

Contrary to the Quran. The Bible is not straight forward as even those who believe in it believe in it in a completely different way than that in which the Muslims believe in the Quran.

For us, Muslims, the Quran is a book that shows the way of truth in an indisputable way.

The Bible is the opposite of that. In fact if you would look at the way Bible is considered it is read as a book
which has infinite interpretations. The direct opposite of the Quran.

It does not mean that the Bible is wrong - it just means it has a different purpose.

However, since the Bible is not a straightforward it is a book that can be taken to any direction you want.

If your soul is guided you would take it to good places.

If your soul is unguided you would take it to bad places.

Since the Quran is the only book which gives such guidance in my opinion any person who reads the Bible
without the Quran cannot be guided. And this is my view on the subject.

 

[aadil77]

Aadil, being nice is not always good. Allah is always good but not
always nice. Maybe I said my words to hastily and presented them
in a way which might sound offensive while, Allah forbid, I am not.

Let me explain -

What I meant to say is that Allah is not always nice
because sometimes, when needed, when those who do not
believe obey his will, he is also harsh and sometimes he is vengeful.
When necessary.

Indeed, you can see I am right, for the non-believers do we not refer to
him by the name "Al-Muntaqin" and "Al-Mumit" and by the name "Ad-daar"?

Of course, for a believer, these sides of him are far away from our mind and
it is only a sign of strong belief when it is. Yet, sadly, sometimes when judgment
is needed for some we know he needs to be harsh.

As for corruption.

Only people are corrupted. And they are corrupted by their evil inclinations and Jinns.
Corruption is a human word. The prophecies and scriptures
we have, from Prophets acknowledged by our Prophet cannot be corrupted because a prophecy or
scripture given by force of prophecy does not come from human words at all. And in case of
the prophets which we acknowledge does not come from the Jinn either.

Sorry I don't think me and you are following the same religion. I think you're some kind of undercover christian missionary

Your username suggests that quite clearly

Narrated Ubaidullah: "Ibn 'Abbas said, "Why do you ask the people of the scripture about anything while your Book (Quran) which has been revealed to Allah's Apostle is newer and the latest? You read it pure, undistorted and unchanged, and Allah has told you that the people of the scripture (Jews and Christians) changed their scripture and distorted it, and wrote the scripture with their own hands and said, 'It is from Allah,' to sell it for a little gain. Does not the knowledge which has come to you prevent you from asking them about anything? No, by Allah, we have never seen any man from them asking you regarding what has been revealed to you!" (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Holding Fast to the Qur'an and Sunnah, Volume 9, Book 92, Number 461)"

Your style of writing is the same over emotional message of 'blessings' and all those words christians use

 

[Predator]

You can only believe in one voice my friend. This is true.

But all voices. Even the ones you should not believe in are his.
It is just impossible otherwise.

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lol . Ok brainbox , which one of these 2 verses is from God ?

Do not drink wine nor strong drink (Leviticus 10:9)

Stop drinking only water, and use a little wine because of your stomach and your frequent illnesses. (1Timothy 5:23)

This is clearly a contradiction, your bible is self refuting book and should be taken with a grain of salt

 

[Dagless]

You can not of course reconcile the two beliefs.

However, the words themselves exist in Allah's world
and therefore belong to him.

Please don't confuse matters. In the context of this thread the word of God is what God Himself has said.
All words may belong to Allah but this is not the same as saying Allah has said all things.

I can be neutral on things which have nothing to do with belief in Islam.

For instance.

If a Christian would come to me and tell me I believe that Jesues was
the son of God - I would say that he is an idolater not as an insult but
simply because this is the definition of the word - idolizing something
which you by yourself acknowledge is not God himself.

I think this is clear.

However, if a Christian would come to me - I see the term "son" as an
abstract term which says the Christ was on a very high spiritual level and
he was so free from the bounds of this world that he was not a "slave" but
rather such a devoted believer that he was to Allah's world almost like a son
in a kingdom. I would say this starts to make sense and goes into the domain
of neutral.

You are trying to confuse again. Firstly this is a very odd way to word things. Secondly, Jesus being the son of God is a central Christian belief. Its like saying if a vegan came up to you and said its ok to eat meat sometimes.

In my eyes, the Bible is a necessary preliminary to the Quran much like
a ground is a necessary preliminary to a flower. I think this is the best
example I can give.

There are so many reasons this cannot be correct but the main one which requires no quotes from the Quran or Hadith is this: The Bible contains things which are directly against what the Quran teaches. That in itself should tell you what you are stating is incorrect.



btw whenever I see this in my subscribed threads, I see the word "repulsive", is there no kinder word which could be used in the title?

 

[Gabriel Ibn Yus]

Ok, let's answer.

Airforce. If you want contradiction's in the Bible I can give you many more.

Why are there three different contradicting stories of creation?

Why are the histories described in the book of king contradicting the histories
described in Chronicles?

Why in the book of Chronicles Adam has only one child while in the beginning he
has three?

Are these not contradictions?

I do not care about the religions at all. You say that the assumption that Jesus is the
son of God is central to Christianity. But Christianity is wrong and we all know that
so I do not understand what you are saying here.

In my opinion the question of the relationship between Islam and other religions is interesting yet remains of minimal value now. This is because currently the number
of true believers in the other religions is not big.

The reason for this is because our main problem is not what is the essence of the relationship between the Quran and the Bible but rather the question of rather
religious issues are used by factors which are non-religious what so ever.

In fact if you would think about it you would see that this makes much sense and this is the main problem of the world today.

We all now that the Dajjal has the name Kafir on his forehead. So why do nobody see him?

Because he hides between others and he makes the unimportant things look important and the important things seem unimportant.

Therefore I am not confusing but clarifying. And no, my name is not that of Christian missionary. I do not like missionaries.

The main problem of Muslims today is that world affairs are not been conducted by religious terms (in which they have much credit and where we can easily justify our stand). If the world would turn into conducting itself on religious terms then things would be much simpler as I am sure you can agree.

The reason the world does not conduct itself by religious terms today has nothing to do with the Jews or the Christians which with by any reasonable means are completely powerless (at least when one speaks about truly religious institutions and not cover up for disbelief).

The reason is that people believe in something that is an absolute deception and our main problem is that we do not see it because it seems so based, correct and reasonable - and that is that people believe that people should base their view on life on pure reason.

This lies in complete violation of any religious principle I am aware to and is dangerous for the ongoing health of any society. The issue of what is the relationship between the Quran and the Bible is interesting yet secondary for me at this point. My main interest currently is that people would go away from believing in confusing things and start embracing religion. By that I of course mean that people should take upon themselves the message of the Quran and the Prophet Muhammad. I think that this is the true mission of Islam today. Success in this would pave the way in any other endeavour the will of Allah dictates upon us. In this I am sure.

I have written in my introduction post the address for my blog, you can also find it in my
profile details. I would be glad beyond words if you would read it, tell me what you think of it and if you agree with it help my distribute it.

May the true way prevail.

Blessings.

 

[Ramadhan]

Ok, let's answer.

Airforce. If you want contradiction's in the Bible I can give you many more.

Why are there three different contradicting stories of creation?

Why are the histories described in the book of king contradicting the histories
described in Chronicles?

Why in the book of Chronicles Adam has only one child while in the beginning he
has three?

Are these not contradictions?

I do not care about the religions at all. You say that the assumption that Jesus is the
son of God is central to Christianity. But Christianity is wrong and we all know that
so I do not understand what you are saying here.

In my opinion the question of the relationship between Islam and other religions is interesting yet remains of minimal value now. This is because currently the number
of true believers in the other religions is not big.

The reason for this is because our main problem is not what is the essence of the relationship between the Quran and the Bible but rather the question of rather
religious issues are used by factors which are non-religious what so ever.

In fact if you would think about it you would see that this makes much sense and this is the main problem of the world today.

We all now that the Dajjal has the name Kafir on his forehead. So why do nobody see him?

Because he hides between others and he makes the unimportant things look important and the important things seem unimportant.

Therefore I am not confusing but clarifying. And no, my name is not that of Christian missionary. I do not like missionaries.

The main problem of Muslims today is that world affairs are not been conducted by religious terms (in which they have much credit and where we can easily justify our stand). If the world would turn into conducting itself on religious terms then things would be much simpler as I am sure you can agree.

The reason the world does not conduct itself by religious terms today has nothing to do with the Jews or the Christians which with by any reasonable means are completely powerless (at least when one speaks about truly religious institutions and not cover up for disbelief).

The reason is that people believe in something that is an absolute deception and our main problem is that we do not see it because it seems so based, correct and reasonable - and that is that people believe that people should base their view on life on pure reason.

This lies in complete violation of any religious principle I am aware to and is dangerous for the ongoing health of any society. The issue of what is the relationship between the Quran and the Bible is interesting yet secondary for me at this point. My main interest currently is that people would go away from believing in confusing things and start embracing religion. By that I of course mean that people should take upon themselves the message of the Quran and the Prophet Muhammad. I think that this is the true mission of Islam today. Success in this would pave the way in any other endeavour the will of Allah dictates upon us. In this I am sure.

I have written in my introduction post the address for my blog, you can also find it in my
profile details. I would be glad beyond words if you would read it, tell me what you think of it and if you agree with it help my distribute it.

May the true way prevail.

Blessings.

You claim that we need to embrace religion and the way of Islam and the prophet SAW.

However, your writing is clearly not that of a muslim, at least not a muslim who follow the prophet SAW.

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you all,

Can I just post something that 'life is short' put on another thread.............

1. The Qur’an says in Surah Nahl, chapter 16 verse 125:
’Invite (all) to the way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious.’ [Al-Qur’an 16:125]
‘The true servants of the Most Merciful are those who behave gently and with humility on earth, and whenever the foolish quarrel with them, they reply with [words of] peace.’ (al-Furqan 25: 63)

In the spirit of praying for a greater interfaith friendship, and peace.

Eric

 

[Predator]

Ok, let's answer.

Airforce. If you want contradiction's in the Bible I can give you many more.

Why are there three different contradicting stories of creation?

Why are the histories described in the book of king contradicting the histories
described in Chronicles?

Why in the book of Chronicles Adam has only one child while in the beginning he
has three?

Are these not contradictions? .

How do we know that a book claimed to be from God is really the Book of God? One of the tests, out of the many such tests, is - that a message emanating from an Omniscient Being MUST be consistent with itself. It ought to be free from all discrepancies and contradictions.
This is exactly what the LAST TESTAMENT, the Book of God says:

Holy Quran 4:82
Do they not consider the Quran with care
Had it been from anyone other than Allah
They would have found therein many a discrepancy


If God Almighty wants us to verify the authenticity of His Book (The Holy Qur-án) with this acid test, why should we not apply the very same test to any other Book claiming to be from Him

 

[Gabriel Ibn Yus]

The world is created by Allah and has many voices in it. These voices seem to be contradicting to us -
but they are all of his creation.

 

[جوري]

The voices are contradicting because folks love to follow their whims and lowly desires rather than God's final word!
if you believe a book about self-immolating mangods, and messengers sleeping with their daughters when they were specifically sent to warn against the sins of the flesh along with hordes of others, then be my guest, but that does take you outside the folds of Islam!

peace

 

[Predator]

The world is created by Allah and has many voices in it. These voices seem to be contradicting to us -
but they are all of his creation.

Pastor Gabriel, How can a Bible the word of God have different voices , as God is one and has only one voice and how can God contradict himself like below



2 Samuel 24:13 - SEVEN YEARS OF FAMINE.
1 Chronicles 21:11-12 - THREE YEARS OF FAMINE.


Matthew 27:5 - Hanged himself.
Acts 1:18 - And falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all of his bowels gushed out.

2 Samuel 6:23 - MICHAL never had a child until she died.
2 Samuel 21:8 - MICHAL had 5 sons.

2 Kings 24:8 - Jehoiachin was 18 years old when he began to reign.
2 Chronicles 36:9 - Jehoiachin was 8 years old when he began to reign.

1 Kings 16:6-8 - 26th year of the reign of Asa, Baasha reigned over Israel.
2 Chronicles 16:1 - 36th year of the reign of Asa, Baasha reigned over Israel.

The Bible is indeed corrupt and is undoubtedly filled with man's alterations, lies and corruption.


With this said, I'd like to you to reconsider your beliefs. I ask you to give Islam a serious and honest research and thought.

 

[Gabriel Ibn Yus]

Airforce - There is something that we have to
remmber and this is why I started the discussion to begin
with.

One has to remmber that the Torah is not the main basis
for the religion of Judaism, and even more so to the nation of
Judaisim as we know it today.

It is true that within these ideas there are many things which
deserve the word corrupt. However, when corruption exists
one has to concentrate ones criticism on the source of the
corruption beacuse otherwise ones criticism is unuseful.

I am sure you are well aware of the implications of this
corruption (as I can see from the picture in your signature).
My only interest is the following two things : That this corruption
would stop and that the world would acknowledge the message of
the Prophet Muhamad. In fact, we know that these to goals are
the same.

We have the same goals, I am sure in that, I know that.

 

[Thyme]

Wow. I thought this forum was about promoting the peace in Islam, but I've seen so many threads already, criticising other religions (especially Christianity). The welcome to this site was really nice, then I go to read threads like this... Can't you follow Allah truly and follow the footsteps of the religion of peace? Peace doesn't come from criticising others beliefs and holy books. You first have to perfect your own.

The disciple is not above his teacher, but every one that is perfected shall be as his teacher. 41 But why lookest thou on the mote which is in the eye of thy brother, but perceivest not the beam which is in thine own eye?

or how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, allow me, I will cast out the mote that is in thine eye, thyself not seeing the beam that is in thine eye?

Hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine eye, and then thou shalt see clear to cast out the mote which is in the eye of thy brother. 43

 

[Zafran]

Wow. I thought this forum was about promoting the peace in Islam, but I've seen so many threads already, criticising other religions (especially Christianity). The welcome to this site was really nice, then I go to read threads like this... Can't you follow Allah truly and follow the footsteps of the religion of peace? Peace doesn't come from criticising others beliefs and holy books. You first have to perfect your own.

salaam

Its common - your bound to get people from both sides that like attacking other religions and beliefs. Theres many anti chirstian threads by muslims and many anti muslim threads by christains and other non muslims like athiests. Its ultimatly a forum - people like saying whatever they like when nobody knows who they actually are. They think they can get away with it.

peace

 

[aadil77]

Wow. I thought this forum was about promoting the peace in Islam, but I've seen so many threads already, criticising other religions (especially Christianity). The welcome to this site was really nice, then I go to read threads like this... Can't you follow Allah truly and follow the footsteps of the religion of peace? Peace doesn't come from criticising others beliefs and holy books. You first have to perfect your own.

well I've made my intentions clear for this thread in the first post, don't see how it stops 'peace', there have been many debates between muslim and christian scholars - at the end of it both parties respect each other - it doesn't affect 'peace'

there was a genuine need for this thread otherwise I woudn't have posted it

 

[Rhubarb Tart]

Wow. I thought this forum was about promoting the peace in Islam, but I've seen so many threads already, criticising other religions (especially Christianity). The welcome to this site was really nice, then I go to read threads like this... Can't you follow Allah truly and follow the footsteps of the religion of peace? Peace doesn't come from criticising others beliefs and holy books. You first have to perfect your own.

What Zafran said.

I think the title was phrased wrongly, it should have been something like "Questionable verses in the bible...". Would you have a problem with that Tymre?

 

[Ramadhan]

Wow. I thought this forum was about promoting the peace in Islam, but I've seen so many threads already, criticising other religions (especially Christianity). The welcome to this site was really nice, then I go to read threads like this... Can't you follow Allah truly and follow the footsteps of the religion of peace? Peace doesn't come from criticising others beliefs and holy books. You first have to perfect your own.

This forum is about promoting the peace is Islam.

BUT this forum also serves many purposes:

1. answering/discussing questions from long time muslims as well as new muslims about aqeedah, fiqh, sira', etc etc
2. Strengthening eeman among muslims
3. discussing current affairs that may have impacts on muslims life
4. clarifying misconceptions about Islam
5. etc..etc..
6. and in one section, there is a "comparative religions" sections where we also discuss other religions' teachings and practices.

I don't see there is anything wrong with this thread. As muslims, we are obligated to do dakwah/syiar to promote Islam because we will be questioned by Allah SWT in during the judgement day why some people around us failed to enter Islam.
One way to do that is to point out the errors and falseness of their scriptures so that the followers of those religions realize that they have not been following the truth.
As far as I know, the discussions in this thread have been largely peaceful, so I don't understand why you accuse of such thing (that we don't promote peace)

 

[Ramadhan]

Wow. I thought this forum was about promoting the peace in Islam, but I've seen so many threads already, criticising other religions (especially Christianity). The welcome to this site was really nice, then I go to read threads like this... Can't you follow Allah truly and follow the footsteps of the religion of peace? Peace doesn't come from criticising others beliefs and holy books. You first have to perfect your own.

By the way, you are free to put forth your arguments and reject the notion there are such verses in bible.

 

[Hiroshi]

The purpose of this thread is to expose the contents of the bible that alot of people including christians and jews are unaware of. Its also to expose the hypocrisy of some christians and jews who try but fail at attacking the quran and at the same time will overlook the verses in their own bible. The purpose is also to show how badly the original true scriptures sent down by Allah and preached by our prophets have been modified and added to.

I don't expect christians or jews to justify these verses - since the meanings are quite clear, you're welcome to do so though. But please do not use the following excuses: meaning was lost in translation, the verse had a metaphorical meaning, verse not to be taken literally, you dismiss parts of bible eg; the OT, verse was not by god or jesus or whoever, they're out of context etc etc. At the end of the day its in your 'holy book' called the bible.

I'll start off with the violent verses advocating murder

-Ezekiel 9:5-7 "Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. god threatens to kill women and children

-Hosea 13:16 (King James) Samaria will bear her guilt because she has rebelled against her God.
They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open.god threatens to kill pregnant women and children by the sword

-Ezekiel 23 - 25 I will direct my jealous anger against you, and they will deal with you in fury. They will cut off your noses and your ears, and those of you who are left will fall by the sword. They will take away your sons and daughters, and those of you who are left will be consumed by fire. 26 They will also strip you of your clothes and take your fine jewelry. god threatens more slaughter

-Exodus 31:15 For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death. god commands you to kill those who work on the sabbath

-If a man or woman living among you in one of the towns the LORD gives you is found doing evil in the eyes of the LORD your God in violation of his covenant, and contrary to my command has worshiped other gods, bowing down to them or to the sun or the moon or the stars of the sky… Take the man or woman who has done this evil deed to your city gate and stone that person to death. – Deut 17:2-7
god commands you to kill anyone who worships other gods

-Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases…you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. Deuteronomy 13:7-12: Again you must massacre everyone follows different religions

In Soorah 11:81-82 we read of fire and brimstone raining down upon Sodom with only Lot and his family escaping. Were the children and pregnant women evacuated first?

 

[aadil77]

In Soorah 11:81-82 we read of fire and brimstone raining down upon Sodom with only Lot and his family escaping. Were the children and pregnant women evacuated first?

Probably not, but that was a punishment direct from Allah, not a command from jesus or god to go and specifically kill women - including pregnant women, children and even animals