Response to a stubborn disbeliever

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/ peace ;

Thats frankly Impossible. How can a atheist or a Agnostic confuse anyone about God.
They dont beleive in it, so they dont know the truth like a believer does. ].

woooow , do u tell people that believers know the Truth ? Normally Athiests claim that they are right .

Let the Atheists quote facts and logic all day long.
It dosnt change the Truth.

yap :thumbs_up

God is one , that's the Truth ....nobody can change it

 

[barney]

Well nope.
I just understand that the faithful "know" that their "Truth" is the only possible one, no matter how many facts are put to them.

Some people call it faith blindness.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Well nope.
I just understand that the faithful "know" that their "Truth" is the only possible one, no matter how many facts are put to them.

Some people call it faith blindness.

well thats not really true with me...

you see i already have a mountains weight full of proof for islam and my religion. if you can provide equally sound and logical proof before me against islam then i will very likely accept that but for a surety you cannot

 

[Pygoscelis]

It's simply impossible that Jesus (p) will be angry at Muslims for worshipping one God only......apply ur logic ....hopefully u will understand :statisfie


But those who deny the existance of God , how can they expect mercy of God ?

A theme that is repeated over and over and over in the Bible is that of God getting angry when people worship false Gods. There are entire chapters of the bible dedicated to this. See Judges for example.

Yet the bible only very rarely speaks of those with no Gods.

Seems to me that the Christian God (should such a monster exist) may be more upset with you as a muslim than me as an atheist.

 

[MustafaMc]

Muezzin:
As a agnostic, I admire the world and it's many wonders. I attribute the root of all of this to some craeting force. And i treat it with a certain respect.

Just dont need to pray to do that.

Psygo: Do you think that they once took a interest? Set the ball rolling then moved on?

All least you acknowledge "some creating force", but I doubt that you "treat it with a certain respect". To do so one would acknowledge His existence, he would seek the Truth about His existence and worship and adore Him. To accept the many blessings that we have in this life, to take them for granted and to not glorify the One who gave them to us is most unjust indeed.

 

[- Qatada -]

:salamext:

All least you acknowledge "some creating force", but I doubt that you "treat it with a certain respect". To do so one would acknowledge His existence, he would seek the Truth about His existence and worship and adore Him. To accept the many blessings that we have in this life, to take them for granted and to not glorify the One who gave them to us is most unjust indeed.

Yup, also someone might recognise that someone exists, yet that someone won't be pleased with them until they recognise and thank them for their favours. Anyway this hadith comes to mind:

Allaah, the Most Compassionate says:

“O My slaves, all of you are astray except those whom I guide, so ask Me for guidance, and I will guide you. O My slaves, all of you are hungry except those whom I feed, so ask me for food and I will feed you. O My slaves, all of you are naked except those whom I clothe, so ask Me for clothing and I will clothe you. … O My slaves, if the first of you and the last of you, your humans and your jinn, were to stand on a single plain and ask of Me and I were to give each one what he asked for, that would not cause any loss to Me greater than what is lost when a needle is dipped into the sea.”

Narrated by Muslim (2577).
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[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/ peace ;

...Seems to me that the Christian God (should such a monster exist) may be more upset with you as a muslim than me as an atheist.

as there is no Christian God but God & i worship Him alone only , God Willing , there will be no fear at all on the Last Day. But , we have to wait till that day.....see u there , bye.

 

[Joe98]

I'll try and re-word what he wrote:

In many places the bible is upset that people worship false gods.

But there is nowhere in the bible where the problem is that people worship no gods.

 

[- Qatada -]

False gods also consist of ideologies which oppose the laws of God Therefore one can also worship the government or the ideology of their state.


And Allaah knows best.

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam / peace ;

I'll try and re-word what he wrote:

In many places the bible is upset that people worship false gods.

But there is nowhere in the bible where the problem is that people worship no gods.

I read Bible long ago.....i remember this kind of command ....Worship me ....so , if anybody denies God .....surely s/he is disobeying God. And what's the punishment of disobeying God ?


I just browsed & here is Bible punishment quiz . U may search for the ans here .

Bible Punishment Quiz

http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news0601/biblepunishment.html

 

[MustafaMc]

A theme that is repeated over and over and over in the Bible is that of God getting angry when people worship false Gods. There are entire chapters of the bible dedicated to this. See Judges for example.

Yes, idolatory and ascribing partners with Allah is a most serious sin. To deny the favors and blessings of Allah is also a most serious sin.

Yet the bible only very rarely speaks of those with no Gods.

Come to think of it, I think you are right. I will have to study on this point.

Seems to me that the Christian God (should such a monster exist) may be more upset with you as a muslim than me as an atheist.

Christians, Jews and Muslims claim that there is only One God. However, the Christian "concept" or perception of this One God is that He is manifest in three "persons". They claim that the One God became flesh in the form the human Jesus. There is only One God and had He willed He could have made us all one nation and of one faith, but this life is a test to separate the sheep from the goats so to speak. The world as it exists is according to His Divine Will to which we submit.

I believe that we err greatly when we attribute human emotions to Allah such as of Him being upset with humans. From my perspective as a Muslim, I would rather be a Christian on the Day of Judgement than to be an atheist or an agnostic. At least some Christians are sincere and have a worshipful attitude toward their Creator.

 

[Woodrow]

In some manner or another everybody is going to worship somebody or something. Even those who claim they do not worship anything. True it may not be worship in the terms of any standardized ritual, but it is still worship some things that I find people worship to at least some extent:

Freedom

Intelligence

Wealth

Self Worth


I just happen to believe that Allah(swt) has more substance and more validation to be worshiped.

 

[Phil12123]

I'll try and re-word what he wrote:

In many places the bible is upset that people worship false gods.

But there is nowhere in the bible where the problem is that people worship no gods.

The Bible may not talk about a group of people who worship no god, as opposed to the True God, and the emphasis is indeed on worship of the True God vs. worship of idols or false gods. But the Bible does say that you're a fool if you say there is no God (Ps. 14:1), so that would be a "problem," wouldn't it? Also, it says, the fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge. So, if you deny the Lord exists, you can't even begin to have true knowledge, which would be a problem, too.

 

[Balthasar21]

Which school of thought when we are to discuss the validity of hadith? Lol. You know non Muslims discuss the validity of Hadith, do they follow a school of thought?



Interesting how you 'predict' my very moves, yet fail to answer questions.



Do you normally ignore questions you find hard to answer? Did you ever reply about to the question about the article's creation on the other thread?




I will ask the other mods not to delete a thread you make on such a topic, so go ahead please. As long as you can discuss in a constructive civilised manner, we will be alright sir.



Great assumption, you think I read all of your posts? I did when you were new here, I put some effort, but after a while, I thought it best to leave you be, since you harldly replied to questions. Some people hear but hear not and see but see not.

So if you want to give me alink to a post where you were insulted plesae do, if not then don't complain.



The two are miles apart. I might not have a video camera with footage but the chances are nowhere near each other.

Regards,

You Did Say I Could Create A Post About Hadith's Yes ????

 

[barney]

All least you acknowledge "some creating force", but I doubt that you "treat it with a certain respect". To do so one would acknowledge His existence, he would seek the Truth about His existence and worship and adore Him. To accept the many blessings that we have in this life, to take them for granted and to not glorify the One who gave them to us is most unjust indeed.

Why would that force require some mass-cheering session? If it is aware of us still what does it need that for?
What is the gain that it gets for such continuous bigging up?

I can admire the forces work without spending my existance constantly seeking it's approval. In my opinion wrapping myself up in perceived expectations of something nobody can understand, is a waste of a life.

If I was to accept mohammeds explaination of what allah DID want, then I would pray 50 times a day. Why? because thats what Allah said he wanted. Mohammed said this would be too burdensome on the ummah. Well Moses said it would and Mohammed agreed. So back he went to haggle the frequency down, first to 30 then to 20 or something, and finally to 5.

Well If i was to accept that this was actually Gods word, then I would be praying fifty times like he first wanted, not some haggeled compromise.

 

[- Qatada -]

Why would that force require some mass-cheering session? If it is aware of us still what does it need that for?
What is the gain that it gets for such continuous bigging up?

I can admire the forces work without spending my existance constantly seeking it's approval. In my opinion wrapping myself up in perceived expectations of something nobody can understand, is a waste of a life.

Do you know what worship is? Worship consists of being obedient to Allaah, it's to do whatever Allaah loves and to turn away from what He doesn't love. So if someone is supporting his family, then that is an act of worship - since it is an act loved by Allaah.

If one is kind to the creation, then they need to be thankful to the Creator for the good which He has given them.

If I was to accept mohammeds explaination of what allah DID want, then I would pray 50 times a day. Why? because thats what Allah said he wanted. Mohammed said this would be too burdensome on the ummah. Well Moses said it would and Mohammed agreed. So back he went to haggle the frequency down, first to 30 then to 20 or something, and finally to 5.

Well If i was to accept that this was actually Gods word, then I would be praying fifty times like he first wanted, not some haggeled compromise.

If you read the end of the hadith, you'd realise that the reward of them 5 prayers is equal to the 50 which were prescribed earlier. It's a great sign of Allaah's Mercy to us, and it is Allaah Himself who decreed this.

So it's nothing about 'haggling' - it's about Allaah showing to us what He has prescribed, and the great reward and Mercy which He bestows upon us for so little.




Regards.

 

[Umar001]

You Did Say I Could Create A Post About Hadith's Yes ????

Did you read the post yuou quoted, it stated a condition:

I will ask the other mods not to delete a thread you make on such a topic, so go ahead please. As long as you can discuss in a constructive civilised manner, we will be alright sir.​

Your thread was deleted by another mod who I didnt even know had deleted it because you spoke in a rude way. You see so we can discuss it in pm if you wish and then post the out come, last thing I'd want us being immature all over the board when discussing a serious matter.

I will leave this post until you read it and then delete it since it is going off topic.

Regards Eesa.

 

[Balthasar21]

Did you read the post yuou quoted, it stated a condition:

I will ask the other mods not to delete a thread you make on such a topic, so go ahead please. As long as you can discuss in a constructive civilised manner, we will be alright sir.​

Your thread was deleted by another mod who I didnt even know had deleted it because you spoke in a rude way. You see so we can discuss it in pm if you wish and then post the out come, last thing I'd want us being immature all over the board when discussing a serious matter.

I will leave this post until you read it and then delete it since it is going off topic.

Regards Eesa.

Overstand something you were the one who said I could create a post on Hadith , And I was only asking you were you a man of your word . because I try to post it , now your say someone delete it LOLOLOLOLOL . I knew this was going to happen , Here what you said .


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Originally Posted by Balthasar21
You speak of Hadith Yes Laughing here . Are you saying I Can Start A Post On Hadith's And you or any of the Moderators / Administrator Will Not Closed / Remove / Delete The Post YES or No ? ... Beware of what you ask for ok .

I will ask the other mods not to delete a thread you make on such a topic, so go ahead please. As long as you can discuss in a constructive civilised manner, we will be alright sir.



I'm only asking you if you have change your mind about me posting it , Because you gave me the ok . Yes ,

 

[Umar001]

Overstand something you were the one who said I could create a post on Hadith , And I was only asking you were you a man of your word . because I try to post it , now your say someone delete it LOLOLOLOLOL . I knew this was going to happen , Here what you said .


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Quote:
Originally Posted by Balthasar21
You speak of Hadith Yes Laughing here . Are you saying I Can Start A Post On Hadith's And you or any of the Moderators / Administrator Will Not Closed / Remove / Delete The Post YES or No ? ... Beware of what you ask for ok .

I will ask the other mods not to delete a thread you make on such a topic, so go ahead please. As long as you can discuss in a constructive civilised manner, we will be alright sir.



I'm only asking you if you have change your mind about me posting it , Because you gave me the ok . Yes ,

And what did I say to you in the quote? Discuss it in a civilised manner. What was the reason, and who deleted your thread?

Thread deleted by Alpha Dude
Reason: You could have brought these issues forward WITHOUT the offending/insulting tone. Not suited for Comp Rel in any case...​

Its clear, language such as:

Would you as a Muslim seriously eat one ? If so , Ypu are nasty and your prophet as well !!!​

You Will Get Bad Breath And Your Teeth Turn A Little Yellow , But You Sure Wont Have Any Pissy Breath ?​

So if you want to discuss this as a child then it wont happen. You quoted me, and I said:

As long as you can discuss in a constructive civilised manner, we will be alright sir.​

Which part of that do you not understand, I don't ask you to agree, I don't ask you to accept what I say, I ask that you have curtosy.

I mean, if Muslims are doing wrong then that is sad, how can you laugh knowing that people are on a wrong path? Is that a funny thing? To me its an upsetting and serious matter.

Edit: To justify yourself you then assume people's intention, it has reached me that you wrote to the closer of the thread:

The reson why you remove the post is because you didn't like it , Let be real I haven't disrespect anyone I just ask him was he a man of his word .​

So you are now assuming that he removed it because he didnt like it, I think he was offended, I mean language like pissy is hardly civilised.

 

[Balthasar21]

And what did I say to you in the quote? Discuss it in a civilised manner. What was the reason, and who deleted your thread?

Thread deleted by Alpha Dude
Reason: You could have brought these issues forward WITHOUT the offending/insulting tone. Not suited for Comp Rel in any case...​

Its clear, language such as:

Would you as a Muslim seriously eat one ? If so , Ypu are nasty and your prophet as well !!!​

You Will Get Bad Breath And Your Teeth Turn A Little Yellow , But You Sure Wont Have Any Pissy Breath ?​

So if you want to discuss this as a child then it wont happen. You quoted me, and I said:

As long as you can discuss in a constructive civilised manner, we will be alright sir.​

Which part of that do you not understand, I don't ask you to agree, I don't ask you to accept what I say, I ask that you have curtosy.

I mean, if Muslims are doing wrong then that is sad, how can you laugh knowing that people are on a wrong path? Is that a funny thing? To me its an upsetting and serious matter.

Edit: To justify yourself you then assume people's intention, it has reached me that you wrote to the closer of the thread:

The reson why you remove the post is because you didn't like it , Let be real I haven't disrespect anyone I just ask him was he a man of his word .​

So you are now assuming that he removed it because he didnt like it, I think he was offended, I mean language like pissy is hardly civilised.

Don't even try it first I never assum any thing he only remove the post because of What your Hadith's writers written , Because you nor him would be able to explain how your Hadith's writer could write such things . I notice you and him left out what the Hadith's were saying Why is that .

Remember your the one who said when could discuss The Validity Of hadith Yes . Now you and the other mod trying to flip the script . Now that you and the other mod have read what type of things your so-called Hadith's writer , are saying You see why I say I don't accept any Hadith's unless they're back up by the qur'aan . Because NO WAY WOULD ALLAH WOULD HAVE ANY MUSLIMS ACCEPTING ANY HADITH'S LIKE THE ONE YOU AND THE OTHER MOD READ. Remember when you point your finger at someone the other one always point back at you .