Reverts to Islam: Lonely in a Crowd

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Peace to all.

One of the more interesting threads, so far. It mentions the place I live. It mentions struggles, confusion, realisation, outreach, discovery, realities, choices, conflict to name some.:p

Where to start?:phew

I'll start with the topic of Malay in Malaysia..

Without going to too much detail, it is true that the Malay culture was derived from the hindu, at least where I originate. In the 10th century, they were hindus. In the 11th, they converted to islam. The Brits and secularism changed the entire landscape in the country after WW2. The Malays lost a lot. They lost, in the main, islamic laws were replaced by British common law. Second, they lost the economy.

Masuk Melayu was really thing said with certain humour behind it because you are right, Malays = muslims. And for the same people, white man = Christians. Nothing can sway their thoughts otherwise. It's just their culture here.:D So, I guess they tried to protect their identity from disappearing altogether with the advent of fashion and everything 'western'.

On the eating habits, there are places and masjids that eat from talam/trays depends. Things are changing here too. There was a time, in the 60's and 70's where drinking was openly accepted. 80's people began to be aware of how the nation had 'strayed'. The 90's and turn of the century saw a 'new' spirit of faith emerge. Much fewer numbers drink now. More attend the mosques, but the Malays now are not the same as the Malays of old. Much has changed.

I read with inspiration the challenges faced by our brothers (and sisters) who made that paradigm shift. It was a momentous step. Earth shattering experience. That is just on the shahada. What, as you all describe, leaving all that you were and into what you are, alone. And that is where you have to start, all over again, with each breath and step henceforth. Words cannot do justice.

My struggle for a while was to differentiate tradition and sunnah. As Ali quite correctly pointed out about the peculiarities of the Malay/islam relationship. People are more aware now than they were back in the 60's and 70's. Alhamdulillah. And I attended a for a while the masjid that homes the tabliiq. Observed and listen to taskirah(?), chatted with them, they smile an awful lot, even when they are explaining, or should be irritated, that I got to know some of them.

One thing reading this thread has made me realise is that Allah tests everyone in His own way, and everyone will get their fair recompense, but it is how we deal with our own trials that determines the form. Are we grateful or ungrateful, do we accept or complain?

Lonely in a crowd people, it must be that your rewards in the hereafter is FAR superior to the rewards I will get if we were to do the same thing side by side. I stayed where I was, you 'hijrah'. It must count for something. Allaahu'alam. Just stay true to your course.

Salaam
 
Here's a bit more about 'masuk Melayu' from the perspective of someone who 'masuk Islam' and never 'masuk Melayu'.

Truth be told, I have nothing against the Malays. What I cannot accept is that the general consensus is that to be a Muslim, in Malaysia, you have to be a Malay. Unfortunately to be a Malay involves a lot of things which have no basis is Islam. Take clothing, for example. The Malay baju is nice and comfortable but it's still quite some way from being near to a kurta or a thobe. Same with the songkok. That's standard Malay headgear. Haven't seen anyone wearing a serban with a songkok yet.

I think the most telling differences between Malay and Muslim are in some of the most important occassions in a person's life. Like a wedding. A traditional Malay wedding is not really that much different from a Hindu wedding. Just compare the setting of a bersanding with that of a Hindu wedding and you can see clearly what I am talking about. A Muslim wedding is totally different from a Malay wedding.

So, for a revert like me who chooses to 'masuk Islam' and not 'masuk Melayu' the sense of loneliness is heightened a thousand-fold. I don't take part in many Malay gatherings, especially not bersanding. I look very out of place in a crowd of Malays, not because I am Chinese (nobody thinks that I look Chinese) but because I don't wear Malay costume. No songkok for me. No baju Melayu. No seramping. Definitely no kris (just kidding).

Ah, the feeling of loneliness suffered by reverts can only be understood by reverts. We are not really that different from 'yatim piatu', ie orphans. That's one reason why I don't have to pretend to cry when I perform solat.
 
What I cannot accept is that the general consensus is that to be a Muslim, in Malaysia, you have to be a Malay

Sorry, Ali, but this is not true. It is a 'sense of humour' (but lost over time). Islam is not the exclusive right for Malays. Just happens that Malays are, by and large, muslims. Everyone knows you cannot change your origin or race. Perhaps when they were 'jesting' with you they were not aware of you taking offense to the statement. It is unfortunate that you feel this way. Historically the Malays have been very compliant and welcoming people and willingly accept newcomers. People tended to assimilate the lifestyle and I suppose the general population has come to accept this as part and parcel of the custom here and automatically assume that everyone wants to participate.

Baju Melayu for ceremonial occasions in Malaysia is not unlike wearing a suit to go to work in international companies.

I am not taking offense to your statements, just like to clarify the 'fading away humour' of yesteryear about masuk melayu.. It is hardly spoken off nowadays as the 'humour' has worn very thin.:shade:
 
Something for Everyone to reflect upon:

The New Muslim


By Muhammad Daniel

I was born from an act of idealism
To a world where ideals are sold


I looked for the way to be muslim
Got confused with what I was told


Each group claimed to be on the right path
Citing strong evidences to prove


But my heart found no peace with this conflict
So restless I started to move


From this one to that one I staggered
Nowhere did I seem to fit in


But in fear of the fire I kept searching
Wondering at the state we are in


Soon I grew tired of meetings
Of conferences, speeches and shows


I longed for some friends to be close to
As we lined up to pray in the rows


But the rows said salaam and dispersed
To the cultural lives whence they came


I went home to no group to be part of
Past the pubs looking warm in the rain


But Allah is my refuge my solace
He alone do I turn to to ask


That the muslims get out of their ghettos
To unite on their God-given task


And take in the wandering converts
For God surely will reward those


Who share the diamonds they’re hiding
In the peace of their family homes
 
[h=2]Pumpkin Seeds[/h]
You will not be asked about your culture in your grave
And you will not be judged based on your father’s last name
When the trumpet blares, there will be no more kings’ only slaves
And your family traditions will not be able to keep you safe

Your language will bring you no comfort on that day
And no one will care about the kind of food your mother used to make
The angle of death does not discriminate
No matter your ethnic group, clan or race

We were created from the exact same clay
Many nations have come before, many nations have been replaced
Disgraced and erased, so which one of you feels safe
And which one of you remembers what life was like back in the day

When we used to be brothers,
And we used to stand up for one another, in the face of trouble,
We used to love each other, and understand that your struggle is my struggle
We used to be one, a nation brought together in praise under the morning sun
For those who would dare, we would defend our rights to life and liberty
We used to care, before than about the orphans and anyone else in despair
We used to believe in justice we used to be fair

Unity was not a word; it was a state of mind
Before states, nations and flags we were mankind
From the same seed we were created and to the same dirt we shall return
Now we are diseased with innovations in the fire left to burn
We seek to please heads of nations, compromising what we’ve learned
Indeed this is a time of humiliation for those who are concerned
The state of our affairs is unbearingly absurd
Taking enemies as friends after the wrath they have incurred
Empty threats and broken promises, vision is becoming blurred
Wanna raise your hands up to the sky but most of you are unsure
That the end is coming near, and only one can judge us
How can you be sincere when you forgot your purpose?
This is the final frontier; did you not think we would be tested?
Ridiculed, abused, confused and arrested
Made to feel strange in a place that’s infested
But blame is a game that they win uncontested.

We like to huff and puff about all of our stuff being protected
But what’s the point of reading books when you don’t understand the message?
Divided and conquered, but we used to be connected
And you didn’t have to like us, but you still had to respect us
Every corner of the globe but we still facing one direction,
Standing row by row, if not today, than on the day of resurrection
Where there will be no protection, without the permission,
Of the One true God, takbir: “Allahu Akbar”

And we used to be brothers,
But today I’m only really your brother until I ask to make your sister my bride
Now a days it aint girl what’s your size, its girl what’s your tribe?
But what good are your eyes, when taqwa is colour blind?

And Alhumduallah, praises to the Lord of both you and I,
Who created us from difference so that we may learn to love what’s inside?
Honoured us with this religion, the last of its kind
And a messenger with a message for all mankind

But I wonder what he would say, sallallahu `alayhi wa sallam
To know that his ummah has gone astray, sallallahu `alayhi wa sallam
He showed us how to behave, sallallahu `alayhi wa sallam
He even taught us how to pray, sallallahu `alayhi wa sallam
He was the best who ever came, sallallahu `alayhi wa sallam
So where is his example today? sallallahu `alayhi wa sallam
He emphasised solidarity, sallallahu `alayhi wa sallam
It seems like we have forgotten his ways, sallallahu `alayhi wa sallam

‘Cause we used to be brothers,
But how many of you would leave your brother on the front line to die?
There are children in Palestine getting buried alive
It’s scary to think we change the channel before we change our minds

There is no hope for a nation that is not unified
Do you really see me as your brother, or am I just some guy?
Do you protect me or do you put me on trial?
‘Cause some of you are so stingy you won’t even donate a smile
Subahanallah, Where is the love?
The state of our Ummah is that we forgot where we came from?

But when your soul begins to quiver in the shade of your rattling chest,
You will see that this world was nothing but an illusion you were in
Ya Bani Adam, don’t be fooled be wicked men
Cause there is only one God, but nuff people who don’t remember him
I am your reflection; our connection is stronger than any election
We seek protection in our Lord, may he grant us direction

May he make us amongst those who love each other for his sake,
May he make us amongst those who receive his will shade
May he make us amongst those who are content with our fate,
May he make us amongst those who have the honour of seeing his face
We ask Allah for his mercy, we ask Allah for his grace
We ask Allah to unite this Ummah and to keep us safe
We thank Allah for the countless blessings we receive everyday
And may we give thanks for unknown blessings already on their way


Aameen
 
Aselam aleykum
Thanks for your appreciation. It's true, I often feel isolated. The first few years are great and everybody welcomes you. But some people have a certain niche for you, a certain expectation of how they want you to act. They expect you to be a newbie, no matter how long ago you accepted islam, and once you show that you've outgrown it you're no longer that welcome. Or allot of people also change their behavior and think that they have to act this or that way...

The area where I felt it the most was looking for a wife. Many girls of the younger generations might be open minded toward marrying a revert, but at the same time they fear their fathers reaction. Be it that he might disagree because he wants his daughter to marry somebody from the same race, or out of fear that a revert might leave Islam just as suddenly as he (seemed to have) entered it.

It was a difficult challenge, but Alhamdoelillah i'm happily married now (and father of a lovely one-year old girl :)).
 
I dont know but from my experience I never noticed the difference between myself and the revert brothers. When I used to live in the U.S. my best friends used to be reverts, we used to laugh and joke a lot. Many of them were ex gang members so their stories were very interesting to me!!

It was just amazing when I used to go me and Jamal (James) to a buffet while I have a long beard and his nick was full with tattoos but is wearing the small hat (I dont know its name) but we had stuff to share, how to get a Halal job, both of us wanted to move away from the U.S. to live next a masjid and put our children in a segregated school, we liked to workout and boxing, talking about knowledge, about how Allah saved us many times ... The same thing with Hassus, Abduallah and all my reverted friends.

I engaged to a revert sister for a couple of months, and never noticed the difference.

For the culture issues we just try to act like our prophet prayers and peace be upon him in most of the things like food, weddings..etc so our culture was the culture of Mohammad prayers and peace be upon him.
 
Actually I will never forget this, when Allah blessed me and I moved to KSA, James had his eyes watery and told me I have butterflies in my stomach may Allah hold him steadfast.
 
No born Muslim, however well-meaning, can understand the situation of a revert as well as another revert.
As-salamu 3laikum, sorry, but as a revert myself, I totally disagree with you. Please don't generalise so much, we are all individuals and have our unique sets of circumstances. Actually, I have had the opposite problem, where other reverts thought they completely understood me because I am a revert too, and actually they didn't understand my situation. There is nothing wrong with reverts sharing their experiences and problems with each other from time to time if that will benefit them, but I don't think they should form clubs or separate from the main community. I have been part of various Muslim communities in different countries, some much more mixed than others, and alhamdulilah I have not had problems with any of them because of being a revert. I think there is too much tendency for some reverts to blame any problems they may have with others on being a revert, when actually these are just normal problems that can come up with any group of people - we all have different personalities and different ways of dealing with things.
 
Just as an example, I want to eat from a tray (or talam, as it's called here) but they prefer to eat from a plate. I want to wear the salwar but they would rather see me wear a sarong. They hold wedding functions with all kinds of Malay customs which are derived from Hindu customs and I don't want to have anything to do with that.
I am not sure if this is happening in Muslim communities all over the world but here, the Malays have been Muslims for so long that they have forgotten about the essence of Islam and thought that being Malay and being Muslim are synonymous. In fact, the common term for reversion here is to 'masuk Melayu' meaning 'become a Malay'.
This can happen in any community where the Muslims are all from the same culture and where they are not used to mixing with Muslims from other cultures or even listening to scholars from outside their country. I lived in a community like that for two years (not Malay though). Occasionally people would tell me you should do this or that, but if I knew the thing in question was not required in Islam but just a custom of theirs, I didn't let it bother me. I didn't see it as a big deal, as long as it wasn't something forbidden in Islam. I would try to fit in with their culture as much as I felt comfortable with, and if they told me to do more, I would just say ' I'm still not completely used to this new culture'. Occasionally there were bad customs that had crept into the culture that were against Islam (but of course not everyone did those things), in that case if you can advise them with wisdom, good, if not, just stay away. Don't let it make you feel lonely.
 
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