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[h-n]

Perfectly said!!!
No good can come from evil, and to be honest I was just so disgusted when I read those comments about homosexuality. I don't know what type of people accept them and wish them luck. Nice people are they? I would say only evil sees evil as nice. Yes we should treat everyone fairly but that doesn't mean we can complement such people or even smile to them.
It just shows that Allah swt is not unfair to the people of Hell, if anyone chooses to be disgusting then that one shall die in disgust if Allah wills and then treated just as disgusting as he or she is.

I would not say die in peace to such people, coz if Allah wills, peace is far from what they would have when dead as such.

Reincarnation? Funny enough I used to think so when I was 4 or 5 years old maybe? So basically only the ones with a little mind would get such thoughts and I would say the ones believing in them are mindless. That and yes no revelation has ever said such a thing and therefore, no human should assume such things, but most of what humans are following now are based on assumptions isn't it? Big Bang, Sun God, Cow God etc (Allah forbid).

Beauty belongs to the beautiful and dirt belongs to the dirty, choose what you please and Allah shall give each what they deserve.

Thank-you, yes absolutely disgusting the non-Muslims think to quote homosexuals and what do they think we are going to do? Accept them as good people? Liars, and in obvious error.

 

[h-n]

At the risk in going off topic in order to address the homosexual question.

The problem is not with a person having homosexual tendencies, the problem is with how they control them. this is were self responsibility comes into play. Yes, a homosexual has a choice as to living or not living a deviant life style.

Each and every human being living today has had or will have sexual desires that are deviant. I have heard it said that if the inner most sexual fantasies of a human were made public, they would embarrass even the most deviant Shaytan. Yes, we all have deviant thoughts and sometimes even strong desires. Yet, the majority of us control them and do not act upon them and recognize they are thoughts we are forbidden to act upon. Homosexual activities are a matter of choice even if the tendency is not.

The sexual desires are from the Devils, you can tell the difference because;-

1. One is just about having sex - which is why people are willing to have sex with someone whom they don't know the name of.
2. The other is about having a sexual "relationship" were the focus is more on spending time looking at each other etc, actually wanting to be with that person, because you are attracted to that person (which is were Point 1 lacks as it just talks about having sex with someone regardless of whatever you see in that person, which is also why people after having casual sex wouldn't even dream of marrying that person etc ).

It is so worse today, were much focus in on Point 1.

In Paradise;-

Everyone is looking good, you can't just say you want to have sex with that person, and that person and that person etc. So its about being mature, responsible etc. A Married woman in Paradise is not going to spend time looking at the good-looking men around her wishing she was also having sex with them as well rather then having sex with her husband. That is why there is a quote that women will be happy just looking at their husbands.

Males are just listening to society, society just says its normal that Males want to have sex, so the Males just play along with that, because they get what they want, so they don't bother standing up for themselves. It is a tip, even females aren't listening to Marriage, Men, how many Males actually told them to wear mini-skirts etc? Hardly, or never, actually females are listening to other females on how they should dress to have Males sexually like them. Leading them to act and behave lewd. They are happy to follow other lewd females examples by dressing badly, going to nightclubs etc, even at School if someone has a boyfriend, there are females who have said that they wanted a "boyfriend", anyway this is going a bit off topic, but it goes to show that people are following the crowd even in relationships on what to wear, what to do, how to be. They are lewd, deprave.

It is not a sin to sexually be attracted to someone etc, but yes to act on them is being lewd. But homosexuals are gone way off, it is sickening. Even the Prophet did not care for them, so treated them differently from people who had hetrosexual relationships outside of marriage to them. Yes they can repent, but people seem to treat them as being innocent when they are anything but.

 

[Vigno]

The sexual desires are from the Devils, you can tell the difference because;-

1. One is just about having sex - which is why people are willing to have sex with someone whom they don't know the name of.
2. The other is about having a sexual "relationship" were the focus is more on spending time looking at each other etc, actually wanting to be with that person, because you are attracted to that person (which is were Point 1 lacks as it just talks about having sex with someone regardless of whatever you see in that person, which is also why people after having casual sex wouldn't even dream of marrying that person etc ).

It is so worse today, were much focus in on Point 1.

In Paradise;-

Everyone is looking good, you can't just say you want to have sex with that person, and that person and that person etc. So its about being mature, responsible etc. A Married woman in Paradise is not going to spend time looking at the good-looking men around her wishing she was also having sex with them as well rather then having sex with her husband. That is why there is a quote that women will be happy just looking at their husbands.

Males are just listening to society, society just says its normal that Males want to have sex, so the Males just play along with that, because they get what they want, so they don't bother standing up for themselves. It is a tip, even females aren't listening to Marriage, Men, how many Males actually told them to wear mini-skirts etc? Hardly, or never, actually females are listening to other females on how they should dress to have Males sexually like them. Leading them to act and behave lewd. They are happy to follow other lewd females examples by dressing badly, going to nightclubs etc, even at School if someone has a boyfriend, there are females who have said that they wanted a "boyfriend", anyway this is going a bit off topic, but it goes to show that people are following the crowd even in relationships on what to wear, what to do, how to be. They are lewd, deprave.

It is not a sin to sexually be attracted to someone etc, but yes to act on them is being lewd. But homosexuals are gone way off, it is sickening. Even the Prophet did not care for them, so treated them differently from people who had hetrosexual relationships outside of marriage to them. Yes they can repent, but people seem to treat them as being innocent when they are anything but.

I agree to your points, its such a miserable life they are living out there. Can't think of anything but sex, like they were born for it.
Sex is a part of "married life" but its not life itself yet its going upside down these days and it keeps getting worse.
However, Allah swt lets them enjoy what they want in this world and then in the end all will get what they deserve inshallah and none is treated unfairly.

So why do we even care upset ourselves, when we are following what Allah swt wants alhamdulilah and staying away from devil's ways then those who go astray are of no concern to us, they only harm themselves.

Yes its our job to tell them about the truth, but not push them to it, if they accept our calls to the truth then alhamdulilah that's good, if not then our duty has been fulfilled and their case is at Allah's hands then.

 

[LauraS]

I've never rejected Islam, you have Christians telling your their way is the truth Muslims saying it's theirs. Then all other religions believe 100% that they are right. But there's not concrete proof that any are the truth. It'a not hard to agree with the teachings of any religion because at the core they are about leading a good life, but agreeing with the teachings and believing in God are two different things, I've never had any experiences that tell me Allah is real. Even if I did suddenly discover there is a God I wouldn't suddenly see gay people, who I've known for years, as evil.

 

[Vigno]

I've never rejected Islam, you have Christians telling your their way is the truth Muslims saying it's theirs. Then all other religions believe 100% that they are right. But there's not concrete proof that any are the truth. It'a not hard to agree with the teachings of any religion because at the core they are about leading a good life, but agreeing with the teachings and believing in God are two different things, I've never had any experiences that tell me Allah is real. Even if I did suddenly discover there is a God I wouldn't suddenly see gay people, who I've known for years, as evil.

All I can say is, "humans need to open their eyes" and that won't happen until the heart that is connected to all parts is opened.

 

[LauraS]

All I can say is, "humans need to open their eyes" and that won't happen until the heart that is connected to all parts is opened.

I've never closed my heart to the idea there is a God.

 

[Vigno]

I've never closed my heart to the idea there is a God.

That's good, so you have a start, may you be guided.

 

[h-n]

I've never rejected Islam, you have Christians telling your their way is the truth Muslims saying it's theirs. Then all other religions believe 100% that they are right. But there's not concrete proof that any are the truth. It'a not hard to agree with the teachings of any religion because at the core they are about leading a good life, but agreeing with the teachings and believing in God are two different things, I've never had any experiences that tell me Allah is real. Even if I did suddenly discover there is a God I wouldn't suddenly see gay people, who I've known for years, as evil.

Its a pity that your making the same mistakes as other non-Muslims, they are quick to write (what we have already heard), then actually read. Were ask the questions instead of quoting homosexuals-where there places are in Hell, no Prophets accepted them and they are the best of Men, do you think you have more compassion then the Prophets? Of course not.

Your just think that your "being kind" when accepting evil. As per the "Freedom and evil acceptance" thread. Well its pathetic, as even there are plenty of evil people that care more about offending other evil people rather then accepting what Allah has taught them.

What did you think? That Allah was going to;-

-allow the homosexuals to enter Paradise???
-to allow homosexuality to be acceptable in Paradise??

I will post the Love, love say the Christians (but I say that they are liars) thread again (which I will not post on there incase of anymore derailment), which no Christian, the Jewish Problem (which is in the comparitive section) Jew has refuted neither have the refuted the "Islam has copied (say the Christian and the Jews)", nor "Why Prophet Jesus peace be upon him does NOT love the Chrsitians" or the thread on "Allah" on why he does NOT have children, nor have the Atheist have refuted the "No such thing as Athesim" So instead of quoting the same rubbish, I suggest you read it. Also as per my other threads Non-Muslims and Islam, Sinners being destroyed a good job too! thread, shows that everyone has a fair test and they ALL KNOW that Allah exists. I'll bump up some of the threads for you. I don't believe anyone who say they don't know that God exists, because Allah provides a fair test. You already cannot name anyone better then the Prophets-then why is this if they don't mean anything to you?

I have already spoken to Christians, Jews, Atheists etc, and they have shown that they believe in nothing except falsehood. The Chrsitians have avoided answering the points and choose to ignore them.

There is only one God, the Day of Judgement, Paradise and Hell.

Allah sends Prophets to tell people the message to worship the one God. So Prophets Noah, Lut, Moses, Muhammad, Jesus peace be upon them did not come with a different message.

We talk about the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him more as we had benefited from his direct teachings, BUT we make no distinctions between the Prophets.

So I expect you to read around, before placing comments befitting of Devils.

 

[h-n]

I agree to your points, its such a miserable life they are living out there. Can't think of anything but sex, like they were born for it.
Sex is a part of "married life" but its not life itself yet its going upside down these days and it keeps getting worse.
However, Allah swt lets them enjoy what they want in this world and then in the end all will get what they deserve inshallah and none is treated unfairly.

So why do we even care upset ourselves, when we are following what Allah swt wants alhamdulilah and staying away from devil's ways then those who go astray are of no concern to us, they only harm themselves.

Yes its our job to tell them about the truth, but not push them to it, if they accept our calls to the truth then alhamdulilah that's good, if not then our duty has been fulfilled and their case is at Allah's hands then.

I agree, I'm just letting her know that its unacceptable to waste time talking about the way of the Devil, we already know of it, why don't she spend more time learning about Islam. Anyhow taking a long break, so take care everyone.

Sister h-n

 

[Insecured soul]

Assalam alaikum warehmatullah

To our muslim brothers and sisters doing "amar-bil-maroof wa Nahi-anil-munker" (Enjoining good and forbidding evil) there is a condition which goes with it and i.e. not to increase them in thier (evil doing / forbidden things).

Hope everyone has that in mind, i am no good with words but surely prophets didnt agree with homosexuality and evil things, i see some people and some goverments have given rights to homosexuality and even allowed same sex marriage.

Know one thing such people and government will never accept the word of allah (islam) and they will accept everything (homosexuality) this is how the system of shaitan (devil) is design to make evil things good and good things bad.

Allah azzawajal might forgive homosexuals on the day of judgement, we can never know, he might punish as well its all upto allah.

 

[LauraS]

h-n I'm not being kind by "accepting evil" because I don't see homosexuals as evil.

 

[Vigno]

h-n I'm not being kind by "accepting evil" because I don't see homosexuals as evil.

Could you explain your view of them please? Then I will explain mine inshallah.

 

[LauraS]

Could you explain your view of them please? Then I will explain mine inshallah.

I've put elsewhere that I think in many cases it is something that it is something people are born as which is why gay men appear feminine and gay women masculine. Have you hears stories where parent knew their children were gay before they even came out? That's why I think for some it is unavoidable and just the way they are. I haven't got a clue what the science behind it is but maybe someday we'll know, whether it's to do with the brain or whatever. I believe there is a scientific explanation somewhere though.

 

[Vigno]

I've put elsewhere that I think in many cases it is something that it is something people are born as which is why gay men appear feminine and gay women masculine. Have you hears stories where parent knew their children were gay before they even came out? That's why I think for some it is unavoidable and just the way they are. I haven't got a clue what the science behind it is but maybe someday we'll know, whether it's to do with the brain or whatever. I believe there is a scientific explanation somewhere though.

Having such a feeling is something, and acting upon it is something else. For example, someone sees an apple infront of him which is rotten, but he has some love for rotten things, others surely don't.
Now he can neither control nor stop this feeling of attraction towards the apple but, he could stop himself from going to it and eating it.
This choice is the same with everything, experiencing feelings might not be of someone's power, but as soon as he or she act upon it, then the blame comes.

In Islam it is forbidden for men to look at the private parts of men and the same with women looking at that of other women. What I mean by private parts is not only the reproductive parts but also any part that causes a person to get attracted. This is to avoid such feelings from arousing.
So the presence of such feelings is not new or not normal with some people, but it SHOULD be controlled and avoided.

You are welcome to give further comments.

 

[LauraS]

But this is why I don't see it as a sin or something evil because to me it is something almost medical that causes it. Something while the foetus is developing perhaps. It's just they way they are, straight people may not be comfrotable with and can't imagine loving someone of the same sex but they can't help how they are. Yes they may decide not to act upon their feelings but this could make them spend a lifetime of unhappiness when they could instead just accept who they are and live with a same sex partner. In certain cases there might no point lying to themselves and living as a straight person when they aren't really attracted to them.

I haven't grown up being told homosexuality is evil and just wrong, where if you are deeply religious you would have been, so I suppose we can read each other opinions but never expect to agree. :S

 

[Vigno]

I haven't grown up being told homosexuality is evil and just wrong, where if you are deeply religious you would have been, so I suppose we can read each other opinions but never expect to agree. :S

I suppose you are right, it doesn't seem there is a chance of agreement in this matter.

 

[LauraS]

But it's nice talking to you and having a polite discussion. Often it's not so polite lol.

 

[Ğħαrєєвαħ]

so I suppose we can read each other opinions but never expect to agree. :S

You may not agree, but the truth is out there!

 

[Vigno]

But it's nice talking to you and having a polite discussion. Often it's not so polite lol.

I must say you are right, it gets really aggressive here at times, or many times actually. Its just that our strong belief screens our mind and we get drifted with our hearts and let loose harsh words.

So my apologies to you and everyone on this forum if I ever said anything that is not polite or offensive.

Also I request from forum members to be more wise and not attack with words no matter what is said. You can't teach someone something by embarrassing or offending him or her.

If anyone wants to say something, he or she should say it as an advice and not as an order, and be gentle.

Thank you