Russia to aim Missiles at Europe

[Abdul-Raouf]

There is only one king.

Yes absolutely correct....

These people forget HIM and call themselves super powers/ They think they are the Kings to rule the world.... Fools

They r not super powers... they r stupid powers

 

[Amadeus85]

The truth is that Russia nowadays is as weak as never before in the last century.
This country is in enormous crisis. Their army is old , and remembers Cold War times. Their economy is in bad condition, only oil and gas export gives them much profits. Human rights and freedom of press is no better than in Middle East.Putin is no more than an autocrathic empreror, populistic leader from the past century, like Lukashenko. Evryone in world is loughing when they hear about russian democracy. Average russian man lives about 60 years, one of the most common reason of deaths is alcoholism. Aids is spreading very fast in society.Ksenophobia and racism are on rise.The population, which is now about 140 millions will decline to about 80 millions in the half of this century.
Putin knows this and thats why he is making such scary speeches about those missiles. But in reality no one is afraid of Russia now. Just look what happenned in Chechenia when such huge army couldnt defeat group of highlanders.

 

[Keltoi]

I read an article in Foreign Affairs magazine in which it cited a survey taken of Russian youth, I believe it was something like 43% have a good view of Stalin.

 

[DaNgErOuS MiNdS]

I don't know much about the situation but would the USA help the chechans to beat/weaken russia? a bit like in Afghanistan or is that not possible?

 

[جوري]

I tend to doubt that either the US or Russia have ever stopped pointing Nukes at each other.

After Nearly 50 years of both holding the threat of immediate world annihilation over each other, it does not seem likely either ever fully gave into fully trusting the other. To me this more like something that has been there and the rest of the world has finaly realised it so it came out of the closet.

All during the cold war it was fairly well known that any confrontation between the USA and Russia would most likely take place in either Europe or the Mideast and both countries rather than risk destroying both countries.

the conversions will probably sound like this:

USA "You mess with us we will nuke Iran"

Russia "Just try it and we will nuke the UK and France"

US "You do that and we will also nuke Pakistan, India and Lebanon"

Russia "Oh Yea, and then we will wipe out Germany, Switzerland and Italy"

China (thinking to themselves) "With a little patience, we just need to wait and the World is ours."

I dislike a uni-bipolar world.. nice to see Russia back on the scene.. it will be WWIII in no time... think the world has been working itself up to this for quite sometime... men love their wars like little boys love their toy soldiers.

 

[NobleMuslimUK]

Yes its not just Russia that hates the USA most of the world does. I think before these nations perish they would rather take their enemy down with them.
I also heard Russia threaten Israel constantly, dont know how true this is...

 

[islamirama]

or maybe
North Korea/China/Russia........... v Europe/US ??

North Korea/china/Russia/Iran/Venezula......vs.....Europe/US

lot of ppl out there are waiting in line for an opportunity like this where they can take opposite side of the US. I can see WWIII coming down the road soon.

We need nukes in the UK for cases like this. If Russia sets in nukes on us then we are able to retaliate and set our nuclear missiles on them. Their problem is with the US so um... why threaten Europe? :rollseyes
He'll pay for it if he does go ahead with his threats. Russia v Europe/US? Dream on...

Russia has every right to defend it's land. How is it that US can go over seas and bomb nations for it's "national security" and Iran can't do anything in Iraq to defend it's national security and Russia can't do anything in Europe.

Simple answer is, UK and Europe needs to tell US to go home and then they won't have Russia knocking on their doors.

 

[Woodrow]

I dislike a uni-bipolar world.. nice to see Russia back on the scene.. it will be WWIII in no time... think the world has been working itself up to this for quite sometime... men love their wars like little boys love their toy soldiers.

As sad and sarcastic that sounds. I believe you perceive the problem as it really is.

The fall of the Communism did not defuse the probability of WW3 it only delayed the starting date.

The question will be "where will the major battle field be?"

 

[NobleMuslimUK]

Battlefield might be europe like it has been in the past couple of world wars or maybe the middle east this time round.

 

[noodles]

Canada seems like a nice place to settle this With all the nice little lakes and islands, the hilly areas. It'd be perfect. Plus, it'd be even more multicultural than it already it, so that's a great benefit.

 

[islamirama]

Canada seems like a nice place to settle this With all the nice little lakes and islands, the hilly areas. It'd be perfect. Plus, it'd be even more multicultural than it already it, so that's a great benefit.

yea but the taxes are outrages and opportunities very low like the temperatures

 

[islamirama]

Nato condemns Putin missile vow

Russia's threat to aim weapons at Europe if the US sets up a missile defence shield there was "unhelpful and unwelcome", Nato has said.

The US says it wants missile defence in eastern Europe to counter threats from states like Iran and North Korea.


On Sunday, Russian President Vladimir Putin said Iran was not a threat to the US, hinting that Russia was the target.


French President Nicolas Sarkozy has said he will have "frank" talks with Mr Putin this week about the threat.

'Stormy summit'


Washington wants to deploy interceptor rockets in Poland and a radar base in the Czech Republic to counter what it describes as a potential threat from "rogue states" such as Iran and North Korea.


It insists the shield is not aimed at Russia.


"As far as I am aware, the only country speculating about targeting Europe with missiles is the Russian Federation," Nato spokesman James Appathurai said.
"These kind of comments are unhelpful and unwelcome."




See map of US missile defence bases


The new French president will hold his first talks with Mr Putin at this week's G8 summit in the German resort of Heiligendamm.


"I will listen attentively to him. He called for a frank dialogue. From my side, it will be frank," Mr Sarkozy said.


US President George W Bush is also due to meet Mr Putin at the three-day summit, which starts on Wednesday.


The BBC's Rupert Wingfield-Hayes in Moscow says that if Mr Putin's words are anything to go by, the summit is likely to be stormy.


'Joke of the year'


Mr Putin issued his warning in an interview with foreign reporters ahead of the G8 meeting.
"If the American nuclear potential grows in European territory, we will have to have new targets in Europe," Mr Putin said.


He said neither Iran nor North Korea had the weapons that the US was seeking to shoot down.


"We are being told the anti-missile defence system is targeted against something that does not exist. Doesn't it seem funny to you?" he asked.


Top Iranian security official Ali Larijani described the planned deployment as the "joke of the year", adding that Iran's missiles were not capable of reaching Europe.
Mr Putin said Washington had "altered the strategic balance" by unilaterally pulling out of the anti-ballistic missile (ABM) treaty in 2002.


He hoped US officials would change their minds about the missile plan, and said that if an arms race resulted it would not be Russia's fault.


Last week, Moscow announced it had tested a ballistic missile to maintain "strategic balance" in the world.

 

[جوري]

You can't just go pointing your weapon at someone, there is strategy to this.. like that of khalid ibn ilwaleed... it isn't about number of men or weaponry, or casualty even... very few men had the ability to win a war..
To win a war means things are being met not just loss of lives.... which is what all the wars now a days seem to be about, they are mindless, with no diplomacy, ethics or mitigation or thought, almost like Viking' sporting event.
I really don't believe many men possess that ability anymore...
What did khalid ibn ilwaleed do when Arabia was threatened? people couldn't handle the situation, they were outnumbered 1000 to 1... he rearranged the five parties of troops that were with him at each end during the night time, asked people to tie torches into the camel hooves and set them running to create the illusion, that more forces were coming, obviously when the enemy group on the east finds themselves fighting with a different set of men, than those from the night previous, they feel like perhaps they are being outnumbered, not because there were new troops but because he asked sides to switch, and all the torrent sand in the air from the camels' running the night previous, the enemy felt they were outnumbered, they retreated.

There was an intelligent thought here, it wasn't about casualty, or winning, it was about fulfilling a purpose...
How many decent ethical thoughts or mitigation go into wars now a days? None, you just see people dropping like flies, like animals, like their lives meant nothing at all!

 

[Keltoi]

Putin doesn't like the idea of a U.S. missile shield period, regardless of its location. These disagreements have occurred many times before, but this time Putin knows that Russia has a much smaller saber to rattle. If Europe wants a missile shield there is very little Putin can do or has the right to do. Threatening Europe only makes his position more ludicrous.

 

[England]

North Korea/china/Russia/Iran/Venezula......vs.....Europe/US

lot of ppl out there are waiting in line for an opportunity like this where they can take opposite side of the US. I can see WWIII coming down the road soon.




Russia has every right to defend it's land. How is it that US can go over seas and bomb nations for it's "national security" and Iran can't do anything in Iraq to defend it's national security and Russia can't do anything in Europe.

Simple answer is, UK and Europe needs to tell US to go home and then they won't have Russia knocking on their doors.

And Britain/US/Europe have the right to defend their lands too. Now those critics that have criticised Britain for upgrading its nukes can shut the hell up. If Russia set off any nuclear missiles don't for one minute think they won't feel the effects of ours. Russia is starting to remind me of Iran. If they have a problem with the US they should sort it out WITH the US. The UK/Europe should not tell the US to go home just because of these threats. We should not bow down to scum.
It's a shame really because I've met some decent Russian guys/girls and to think if Russia go ahead we'll end up becoming enemies :X

Nah I think Putin is talking out of his arse. They haven't got the guts, they know what will happen.

 

[Trumble]

Russia has every right to defend it's land.

I'm sure it does but who, exactly, do you believe to be threatening that land?

I find it rather ironic to discover that, situated where planned, the US missiles would be totally incapable of intercepting anything fired from Russia anyway. The whole thing is a nonsense, purely for internal Russian political consumption. So Putin says they will target missiles on Europe - so what, how long does that take, half-an-hour? Same to un-target them. Whoopy-doo.

 

[islamirama]

And Britain/US/Europe have the right to defend their lands too. Now those critics that have criticised Britain for upgrading its nukes can shut the hell up. If Russia set off any nuclear missiles don't for one minute think they won't feel the effects of ours. Russia is starting to remind me of Iran. If they have a problem with the US they should sort it out WITH the US. The UK/Europe should not tell the US to go home just because of these threats. We should not bow down to scum.
It's a shame really because I've met some decent Russian guys/girls and to think if Russia go ahead we'll end up becoming enemies :X

Nah I think Putin is talking out of his arse. They haven't got the guts, they know what will happen.

If UK/Europe wants to nuke up t hen they can do that all they want. But when they let US go there and set up bases, then Russia has every right to defend it's nation and take precaution measures. Why is it that US can do that and not other nations? How will US feel if Russia sets up bases in mexico or canada, you think US will let that happen?

I'm sure it does but who, exactly, do you believe to be threatening that land?

US is threatening that land by inviting trouble. Russia is only Re-acting in self-defense.

 

[noodles]

We'll just have to wait till wednesday for this G8 summit

Until then we can debate all we want

 

[Zman]

This could have been avoided completely, if the U.S. listened to Russia's concerns and many early warnings that was issued by its leadership.

This started with the U.S.'s insistence on creating a "defensive" missile shield in the heart of Europe.

The excuse was that Iranian missiles could target Europe. Iran would not alienate Europe by targeting it. It would be wiser to split Europe and the U.S.

Also, if Iran was the real U.S. concern, why not build this defensive missile shield in the Middle East, that way, any alleged Iranian missiles that are launched, can be dealt with before they reach European airspace?

The real objective of this missile shiled is Russia, and no one else. We are the ones who are yearning to re-start the Cold War, not Russia.

We had many opportunities to embrace and include Russia in the European/Western family, but, we've always dealt with them at arms length...

 

[MTAFFI]

This could have been avoided completely, if the U.S. listened to Russia's concerns and many early warnings that was issued by its leadership.

Russia's concerns are ridiculous, not to mention the issue is regarding land that Russia does not have any right to dictate what goes on that land

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This started with the U.S.'s insistence on creating a "defensive" missile shield in the heart of Europe.

Actually the US "insisted" on nothing, it was an idea and was gladly welcomed by the countries that these defense systems will be found in, Russia on the other hand is the one who is "insisting"

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The excuse was that Iranian missiles could target Europe. Iran would not alienate Europe by targeting it. It would be wiser to split Europe and the U.S.

Perhaps not Europe, but then lets not forget about the british sailors. I think Iran has made it clear many times it is not exactly best friends with Europe. Also lets not forget North Korea

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Also, if Iran was the real U.S. concern, why not build this defensive missile shield in the Middle East, that way, any alleged Iranian missiles that are launched, can be dealt with before they reach European airspace?

I dont think it would be wise to put anything else, military or otherwise, in the mid-east do you? Also if these deterents are put in place they would supposedly stop an attack before it reached european airspace

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The real objective of this missile shiled is Russia, and no one else. We are the ones who are yearning to re-start the Cold War, not Russia.

If Russia wasnt intending on using missles against the europeans why would they care, it isnt offensive it is defensive. This security measure would not effect their security, it will only improve the european security, which is why the Russian argument is ineffective. Their threat to aim missles at the europeans is only more reason to implement such a system, and maybe implement and even more advanced one, since Russia is posing itself as a threat. Why would the US want or need to start a new cold war with russia? Or arms race for that matter, the US is already superior in every aspect of military might, we have no need to prove that. I think you should do some research on Putin and Russias history before you go blaming this one on the US.

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We had many opportunities to embrace and include Russia in the European/Western family, but, we've always dealt with them at arms length...

Or is it the other way around? I suggest you learn on this subject before you speak on it