Salafi , whats all the fuss about

[Pinkrose]

Jazaakalahu'khayran Akhi ansar al 'adl!! You understand so much about the salafi's and their da'wah!!

I am still learning alhamdulilah and am trying to follow the way of the salafus-saleh!! So far i have read books about the salafis and everything i have read seems so right!! There are a few salafis here in Grand Rapids that we know and alhamduiliah we learn a lot from them and never seen anything wrong!! My whole family now are salafis and are trying to learn more so we can be closer to Allah swt!! May Allah guide us all to the right way!! Ameen!!

One thing i don't understand is why ppl call us extremists when were are trying to follow the right way!! Subhanallah!! It gets me so angry!! Sumtimes it makes me cry to think of it:enough!: ....(no use of me blabbering so i'll shut up:X ) If i don't make any sense plz' don't pay any attention to my post!!:-\
I'm just not in the right mood right now..i guess!!

Sry if i offended anyone in my post!!:X

 

[eyes_of_mine]

The problem I have with Salafi, is clinging to that as your label,
you don;t say I am A SALAFI , you say I am a muslim then you go on to say bout Salafi.
But people I have spoken to PREFER to known as a Salaf before they are known as a muslim, this in itself creates a section, and Prohpet PBUH never said we are to call ourselves SALAFi over calling ourselves Muslims,

Please correct me if I am wrong .

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

Sister eyes_of_mine,
You're not wrong, you're absolutely correct. It is wrong for people to prefer to be known as 'Salafi' over 'Muslim'.

 

[abubakr]

Asalamu alaykum

I think people labelling salafis as extremists are being quite unfair. I think these people have many misconceptions about salafiyyah. another thing is that there are certain people who claim to be upon the way of the salafis but are actually not. for example groups suhc as ghulaat (extremists) hadaddidiayh and qutubiyah. also groups suhc as HT, al-muhajiroun and other takfirist/jihadi groups may somtimes use the title salafi but are actually not from the salafis.

 

[Taalib-e-'Ilm]

i thought sectarian discussions are not allowed, as this forum is for uniting ppl... where did this rule go when the tableegh thread was shut down? doesnt it apply for the moderators too? or is it the mentality of "Salafiz r PERFECT" in the moderators mind!!!! DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME:rollseyes

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

This isn't a sectarian discussion. It is a discussion of methodology used in fiqh. We are not labelling any groups here. However, if this turns into a sectarian discussion it will be closed.

 

[Mohsin]

I don't understand y the taleegh section was shut down.What was wrong with it.

 

[Taalib-e-'Ilm]

This isn't a sectarian discussion. It is a discussion of methodology used in fiqh. We are not labelling any groups here. However, if this turns into a sectarian discussion it will be closed.

Forum rule:
12.This is not a Fiqh discussion board. Prolonged threads arguing over Fatwas and the details of Islamic law will be closed. Avoid asking questions that require a Scholar or Shaykh, as there is no one on the board qualified to answer your questions. Please use other knowledgeable means such as a scholar, Imam or knowledgeable person in your area or provide sources. :coolious: does this mean that this thread has to be closed ? after all u mentioned the word fiqh? P.S. i would like to know WHY EXACTLY THE TABLEEGH Thread was shut down? Also... if salafi broz and sis can talk abt their fiqh according to their thinkings and their evidence than do consider the fact that not every is following shiekh bin baaz's fatawas... their has been a lot of debate regarding the "true Salafi" issue at tayyibah mosque in leicester between a sheikh from notthingham and an arab salaf and guess what? the salaf was given a weeks time to get daleel for something... it was a long arguement the shaykh made everything as clear as crystal water and every1 knew that but yet the salafi brother was so firm on his belief considering something....which i wouldn't like to mention coz than u'lll bring that evidence and i'lll bring this.... and it'll bcom a fuss...my point being is that every1 should b allowed to give their own opinions on this forum as it is an islamic forum, and not every1 should b FORCED TO APPLY THE FATAWAS OF SALAFI SCHOLARS!!!!

 

[IbnKhaled]

I'm curious about the tableegh issue as well as traditionally sects are determined by their aqeedah, whereas tableegh are clearly not differentiated by this as they deal with dawah mainly and some basic fiqh in the deployment of this.

I would venture that the key differentiator of the salafi minhaj as directly or indirectly alluded to here is in fact in their aqeedah and not so much in their fiqh, as the adoption of a variant of the athari aqeedah especially in respect to their understanding of tafwid has led to censure from Ashari, Maturidi and Athari scholars, who are in turn censured by scholars who are within the salafi group - indeed, declarations from both sides declare one another to be ahlul bida for this reason (and occasionally more - jahmiyyah etc).

With respect to fiqh, the differences aren't that pronounced as the salafi methodology usually employs some variant of the Hanbali usul and there is a wide range of acceptability in fiqh due to our principle of ikhtilaf as an inevitable result of ijithad and Islamic epistemology. The only issue comes where ikhtilaf is denied by those who claim to be on haqq without reference to the methodological differences of thsoe with whom they disagree, or blind following of a certain set of evidences from scholars who claim that they can ascertain the correct positions from amongst say the schools of thought - something which is puzzling when the awwam clearly aren't at the level of fully investigate these proofs having not been possessed of a detailed understanding of usul al fiqh.

Blind following can indeed be dangerous and those who are uneducated will not see as far as those who are.

My apologies if any of the above comments have caused offence, I am just trying to present a picture of what I have heard from scholars of both sides.

 

[Mu'maneen]

The problem I have with Salafi, is clinging to that as your label,
you don;t say I am A SALAFI , you say I am a muslim then you go on to say bout Salafi.
But people I have spoken to PREFER to known as a Salaf before they are known as a muslim, this in itself creates a section, and Prohpet PBUH never said we are to call ourselves SALAFi over calling ourselves Muslims,

Please correct me if I am wrong .

Very, very true. Whenever one joins a group such as a Salafi, they cling onto such group and may even listen to only Sheiks who are part of that group and disregard other Imam's who do not label themselves as a Salafi.

They will also look up to Brothers and Sisters who are part of that group over those Muslims (who maybe better in Iman and 'Ilm) who do not classify themselves as Salafi's.

Also Salafi's have gone as far to call certain Muslims and even Scholars as being part of the Khawaarij sect!

They disregard Jihad nowadays in many countries and say that one can only fight Jihad once one has a certain amount of knowledge, despite the fact that the majority of Martyrs who fought Jihad along side Prophet Muhammad (salla Allaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) were recently reverted Muslims.

Also they attack the fighters in Palestine and critisise their way of dealing.

Also they support the Kuffar army located in Muslim countries including Saudi Arabia despite the fact that such military openly kill innocent Muslims in neighbouring countries such as 'Iraq etc.


Now, I have nothing against them and do not hate them, I even know a very good Brother who is a Salafi, and I love him for the sake of Allah, but I advise all Brothers and Sisters to avoid joining groups and to only stick to being called a Muslim!
Prophet Muhammad (salla Allaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) was a Muslim and nothing else, so let us call ourselves what he was called and not names of groups alongside being called a Muslim. Muhammad (salla Allaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) was the best example, so we only need to follow his actions and his way of life.


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[kadafi]

Very, very true. Whenever one joins a group such as a Salafi, they cling onto such group and may even listen to only Sheiks who are part of that group and disregard other Imam's who do not label themselves as a Salafi.

They will also look up to Brothers and Sisters who are part of that group over those Muslims (who maybe better in Iman and 'Ilm) who do not classify themselves as Salafi's.

Also Salafi's have gone as far to call certain Muslims and even Scholars as being part of the Khawaarij sect!

They disregard Jihad nowadays in many countries and say that one can only fight Jihad once one has a certain amount of knowledge, despite the fact that the majority of Martyrs who fought Jihad along side Prophet Muhammad (salla Allaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) were recently reverted Muslims.

Also they attack the fighters in Palestine and critisise their way of dealing.

Also they support the Kuffar army located in Muslim countries including Saudi Arabia despite the fact that such military openly kill innocent Muslims in neighbouring countries such as 'Iraq etc.

As-salaam alaikuum

This discussion is dwelving in to sectarian issues which breaches one of the forum rules. Before I close it, I have to clarify certain misconceptions mentioned by brother Mu'maneen.

Your incorrect description of salafiyyah is actually referring to those who affliate themselves with hizbs and claim to follow the manhaj of the Salaf but are actually following their desires and incorrect ideologies. This also includes the ghulaat (the extremists).

This is in direct opposition of what salafiyyah is.

The Permanent Committee (for Research and Verdicts) was asked:

“What is Salafiyyah, and what is your opinion concerning it?”
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So they replied:

“Salafiyyah is an ascription to the Salaf. The word ‘Salaf’ refers to the Companions of Allaah’s Messenger (sallAllaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) and the Imaams of guidance from the first three generations of whom the Messenger of Allaah (sallAllaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) testified for as to their superiority when he said: ‘The best of mankind is my generation, then those who come after them, then those who come after them. Then there will come a people who will bear witness before taking an oath, and take an oath before bearing witness.’ [Reported by Imaam Ahmad in his Musnad, Al-Bukharee and Muslim]

The word Salafiyoon is the plural of Salafee, and it is an ascription to the Salaf. The meaning of the word Salaf has already been mentioned. Furthermore, it also refers to those who follow the methodology of the Salaf, which entails following the Book and the Sunnah, calling the people to them and acting upon them. So as a result of this, they become the adherents of the Sunnah and the unified body (Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jamaa’ah).”

Our teacher, Muhammad Amaan bin ‘Alee Al-Jaamee, may Allaah have mercy on him, said: “When we use the word ‘Salaf’ generally, from a religious standpoint, we mean by it: The Companions of Allaah’s Messenger (sallAllaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) – i.e. those who were present during his lifetime and accepted the Religion from him directly…those who also fall under this term are the ones who followed them – those who inherited their knowledge before a long time had passed and those who fall under the testimony and praise of Allaah’s Messenger for them that they were the best of mankind, when he (sallAllaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) said: ‘The best of mankind is my generation, then those who come after them, then those who come after them.’ This term (Salaf) also includes the successors of the Taabi’een.”

Our teacher, Saalih bin ‘Abdillaah Al-‘Abood, said: “What is intended by the term ‘Salafiyyah’ is: Following the way of the Pious Predecessors (Salaf as-Saalih) of this Muslim ummah, who are in fact Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jamaa’ah. This means uniting oneself and gathering others upon the following of the Sunnah of Allaah’s Messenger (sallAllaahu 'alayhi wa sallam), in hidden and in open, and following the way of the first and foremost from the Muhaajireen and Ansaar, who followed them in goodness.”

Shaikh Bakr bin ‘Abdillaah Abu Zaid said: “If it is said: the Salaf or the Salafees or their efforts, Salafiyyah, then these are all ascriptions to the Salaf as-Saalih (righteous predecessors), which includes all of the Companions, may Allaah be pleased with them, as well as those who followed them in goodness, excluding those who were driven by vain desires. Those who remained firm upon the methodology of the prophets (after them) were ascribed to their righteous predecessors because of that. And so they were called: Salaf, Salafees, and their ascription would be: Salafee. So based on this, the term Salaf means the righteous predecessors. When used generally, this term means: Everyone that strives to follow the Companions, even if they are in our time, and so on. This is what the scholars all agree on. So it is an ascription, which can be traced back to the Book and the Sunnah, and it is an ascription that cannot be separated for even a moment from the first generation (i.e. Salaf), rather it was from them and returns to them. As for the one who opposed them by using a different name or ascription, then no (he is not from them), even if he lived amongst them and was their contemporary. This is why the Companions were free from the Qadariyyah and the Murji’ah.”

He also said: “Be a Salafee upon earnestness, following the way of the pious predecessors , as well as those after them, who followed their footsteps in all aspects of the Religion, such as Tawheed, acts of worship and so on…”
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Whilst the title salafi is merely an affirmation of your intention to adhere to the manhaj of the Salaf, it should never replace the title that Allaah (Exalted is He) gave us.

Shaykh ul-Islaam Ibn Taymiyyah said:

"I do not mind which out of the two blessings was greater. that Allaah guided me to Islaam, or that he kept me away from these innovated sects. By Allaah , the Most High, in the Qur'aan He called us the Muslims, the Believers and the Worshippers of Allaah, so we will not leave the manes which Allaah has names us with in favour of names innovated by the people which they call themselves by and also their forefathers for which Allaah has send down no proof".
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(In al-Wasiyyatul-Kubraa.Taken from the Book Forty Hadeeth On: The Call to Islam and the Caller By Shaikh 'Alee Hasan 'Alee 'Abdul Hameed)

As for the case of suicide-bombing, it is discussed in here:
http://www.islamicboard.com/world-affairs/5739-falastiin-jihad-suicide.html

If you want to reply to my posts in that topic, I will re-open it. Drop me a pm.