Sami Zaatari's Refutations

[rebelishaulman]

Now you know how I feel when I see these ridiculous Muslims attack the Torah by copying and pasting from atheist websites and then pleading ignorance to the true meaning. :-[

 

[MTAFFI]

It doesnt help taking stuff out of context, especially when half the verses your posting start with and, which means something came before or after it.

look the verses up, that is why I posted the verse with reference, there is nothing out of context about it. Not only that but why is it OK for a Muslim to do it about the bible as Sami Zaatari is doing, he is not only quoting out of context but he is also interpreting out of context. i could do the same with the above. Also please note that you also state only half of my verses started with "and" what about the rest? I could quote at least 100 more, my main point with this is, dont disrespect others religions it just isnt right and it may come back to bite you with your own.

 

[Philosopher]

How many days did it take to create Heavens and Earth ?

Quran 7: 54 Your gurdian-Lord is Allah who created the heavens and earth in Six Days

Quran 10: 3 Verily your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and earth in Six Days

Quran 11:7 He it is Who created the heavens and earth in Six Days
Quran-25:29: He Who created the heavens and earth and all that is between, in Six Days

The above verses clearly state that God created the heaven and Allah created the heaven and the Earth in 6 days. But the verses below stated-

Quran 41: 9 Is it that ye deny Him who created the earth in Two Days ?

Quran 41: 10 He set on the (earth) Mountains standing firm high above it, and bestowed blessing on the earth, and measured therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in FOUR DAYS…

Quran 41: 12 So He completed them (heavens) as seven firmaments in Two days and …

http://www.load-islam.com/artical_det.php?artical_id=496&section=indepth&subsection=Glorious Quran

Allah’s Days Equal to 1000 Years or 50,000 Years?

Quran 22: 47 A day in the sight of the Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning. Quran-32:5: To Him, on a Day, the space whereof will be a thousands years of your rekoning

Quran 70: 4 The angels and the spirit ascend unto him in a day the measure whereof is Fifty thousands years.

http://www.load-islam.com/artical_det.php?artical_id=475&section=indepth&subsection=Glorious Quran

Is Man Created From Clotted Blood?
Quran-23:14: Then fashioned We the drop (semen) a CLOT OF CONGEALED BLOOD then fashioned We the Clot a little lump (foetus), fashioned We the little lump into bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of Creators. ( Bengali translated Quran said: “Zamaa’t Raokto theeke Manoosh banieesi” And this Ayat has been repeated again and again throughout the Quran ) Quran-75:38: Then he becomes a CLOT; then (Allah) shaped and fashioned…

Quran 96: 2 Created man, out of a mere clot of congealed blood

http://www.understanding-islam.com/related/text.asp?type=article&aid=102

Does Earth Spread Out Like Carpet (flat)?
Quran 15: 19 And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon Mountains firm and immovable;

Quran 78: 6-7 Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse, And the mountains as pegs (anchor)?

http://www.geocities.com/tick_tick_tickin_away/earth.html

A resting place for Sun!?
Quran 36: 38 And the sun runneth on unto a resting place for him. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Wise.
Quran 36: 39 And for the moon We have appointed mansions till she return like an old shrivelled palm leaf.
Quran 36: 40 It is not for Sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit.

Really I thought that we orbited around the sun?

http://miracles-of-allah.blogspot.com/2006/12/orbits.html

All refuted.

Since you are a Christian, I have some lovely gifts for you for Easter 

1.) Encyclopedia of Biblical Errancy
2.) Scientific Boo Boos in the Bible
3.) List of Biblical contradictions
4.) Bible and Women

 

[lavikor201]

Philosipher, just put Islam as your religion already. You attack the Bible and Christianity, and then defend the Quran against attacks.

Why lie about being an agnostic?

Also I love how Muslims will use these Bible contradictions from atheists sites.

 

[Philosopher]

Philosipher, just put Islam as your religion already. You attack the Bible and Christianity, and then defend the Quran against attacks.

Why lie about being an agnostic?

Also I love how Muslims will use these Bible contradictions from atheists sites.

I'm not Muslim because I doubt Allah's existence.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

So you guys have to go just as low i suppose? Well its your decision. I havent done it to u guys have i? So dont talk to me about it. If it itches that much, say it to them directly. Plain and simple.

 

[lavikor201]

So you guys have to go just as low i suppose? Well its your decision. I havent done it to u guys have i? So dont talk to me about it. If it itches that much, say it to them directly. Plain and simple.

I never posted such a thing, only one person did, so why say "you guys" first of all. Second, no one accused you of doing anything. I generally respect your honest and lovely opinions.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

What I meant was if I bring up that someone is doing the same thing they accuse another of doing, then I get it thrown at me. Not trying to generalise.

Peace

 

[Muhammad]

and Greetings,

It is not OK for anyone to quote out of context or disrespect other religions. I don't have time to read all the refutations that are posted and so I cannot know whether such a thing is going on. Therefore I would suggest to Sami that you limit your refutations posted here to only defend Islam against accusations and not go into comparative debate.

 

[Sami Zaatari]

and Greetings,

It is not OK for anyone to quote out of context or disrespect other religions. I don't have time to read all the refutations that are posted and so I cannot know whether such a thing is going on. Therefore I would suggest to Sami that you limit your refutations posted here to only defend Islam against accusations and not go into comparative debate.

why should i? let them prove their statements first instead of just saying i am doing it, and the rebuttal was a rebuttal refuting a lie against Islam and we simply turned the tables on them using their own bible, there was no taking out of context so no i wont stop doing anything until proven. tell me Muhammad do you tell the non-muslims here to stop posting threads or articles on comparitive religion? i dont think you really do, so why should i, especially when the person doesnt actually prove the article is taking things out of context.

anyways, here is a new rebuttal, the rebuttal is against ali sina refuting his lie that the prophet and his companions were thieves:

http://muslim-responses.com/Looting/Looting_

 

[lavikor201]

why should i? let them prove their statements first instead of just saying i am doing it, and the rebuttal was a rebuttal refuting a lie against Islam and we simply turned the tables on them using their own bible, there was no taking out of context so no i wont stop doing anything until proven. tell me Muhammad do you tell the non-muslims here to stop posting threads or articles on comparitive religion? i dont think you really do, so why should i, especially when the person doesnt actually prove the article is taking things out of context.

anyways, here is a new rebuttal, the rebuttal is against ali sina refuting his lie that the prophet and his companions were thieves:

http://muslim-responses.com/Looting/Looting_

You don't take any verses out of context? Not one? :X

 

[aamirsaab]

why should i? let them prove their statements first instead of just saying i am doing it, and the rebuttal was a rebuttal refuting a lie against Islam and we simply turned the tables on them using their own bible, there was no taking out of context so no i wont stop doing anything until proven.

Defending Islam via refutations is, mashallah, fantastic, and certainly more than what I can do. Whilst defending Islam, however, there is no need to raise ones voice nor is there a need to disrespect or act in a manner in which others would deem disrespectable.

walaikum asalam.

 

[Grace Seeker]

I have noticed that when Mr. Zaatari speaks about Islam that I find him very respectful of other religions. I notice that when he is defending Islam from attacks from other religions, he is general fair there also. He at least posts a link to whatever point he then proceeds to try to refute, in this manner one can read the context in which the refute is written. I appreciate that, because some just quote the line they want to attack, and Mr. Zaatari goes out of his way to make the whole issue available to those who care to read his links.

What I think Mr. Zaatari fails to realize is what is and isn't context when quoting from the scriptures of other religions. This seems to occur, not when Mr. Zaatari is defending Islam, for then he generally sticks to Islamic texts. It seems to occur instaed when he uses the old saying, "the best defense is a good offense" and attacks other religions referring to their own scriptures and tries to debunk them. Certainly that plan makes some sense. It is just that he is not as skilled at handling other people's scriptures as he is at handling his own.

Simply quoting a whole verse (as opposed to the phrase he is interested) is not the same as taking something in context. The context for many biblical statements, such as Jesus' teaching in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5-7) is the whole of Jewish history up to that point in time. When Leviticus says an eye for an eye, it isn't a statement suggesting people be vengeful and get back at people who hurt them. The context was that people were already that way, taking someone's life for the injury to an eyelash. Understood in that light, the biblical injunction was limiting revenge to be no more than the injury suffered. Thus the idea of a proportional response was introduced. When Jesus referred to this passage in his sermon, he went farther and asked people to give up the idea of revernge all together. Examining and explaining is a lot of work and doesn't allow for snappy one-liner come backs, but that is what context is all about. It is about searching for understanding more than winning a point of argument.

 

[Muhammad]

and Greetings,

Sami Zaatari has now been banned and so this thread shall now be closed.

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