Satan's Horrible Acts

[Pygoscelis]

Other than tempting people from God and Salvation, what acts does Satan do in the Bible or Quran that are terrible? Does he kill anybody?

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

It is an image of scandal, humiliation, arrogance, banishment and eternal curse. Satan is described in the Quran as the deadliest enemy of man. He refused to prostrate himself to Adam and rejected this command of God who banished and cursed him but gave him respite until the Day of Resurrection. Due to his arrogance and envy he declared that he will do his best to bring about the fall and the doom of Adam and humanity. Thus in the Quran, Satan is the source of all evils in human life. Man is warned against that greatest foe of his i.e. Satan. Satans main goal is to lead people astray from God and take them with him to the hellfire.

 

[Jayda]

Other than tempting people from God and Salvation, what acts does Satan do in the Bible or Quran that are terrible? Does he kill anybody?

hola Pygocelis,

Satan was an angel who was given a beautiful name "bringer of light" but selfishly wanted things that were not for him, and would do any horrible thing to get what he wants...

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, who didst rise in the morning? how art thou fallen to the earth, that didst wound the nations? And thou saidst in thy heart: I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God, I will sit in the mountain of the covenant, in the sides of the north. I will ascend above the height of the clouds, I will be like the most High. But yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, into the depth of the pit.

he wants to be above God (which is blasphemous and impossible) and will throw us all into hell to get what he wants... it is something indescribably selfish and like all sins impossible to satisfy and impossible to ever attain... but like an alcoholic there is no rock bottom... he continues to drink thinking that all his indulgence will someday bring him this impossible thing that he wants. he no longer listens to God, he resents Him... so he is lost... and wants us to be lost with him...

Dios te bendiga

 

[Malaikah]

Does he kill anybody?

He is not as close minded as that. He doesn't gain anything from murder unless:

1. The person he murdered died in a state of disbelief. That would make him happy, one more person to fuel hell-fire.:rollseyes

2. That particular murder was done through another human, therefore getting that human to commit a major sin, and at the same time killing another person.

etc....

What is murder really when compared to persuading people to sin with the aim of securing them a seat in the eternal hell fire?

The story of the Devil:

11. And surely, We created you (your father Adam) and then gave you shape (the noble shape of a human being), then We told the angels, "Prostrate to Adam", and they prostrated, except Iblîs (Satan), he refused to be of those who prostrate.

12. (Allâh) said: "What prevented you (O Iblîs) that you did not prostrate, when I commanded you?" Iblîs said: "I am better than him (Adam), You created me from fire, and him You created from clay."

13. (Allâh) said: "(O Iblîs) get down from this (Paradise), it is not for you to be arrogant here. Get out, for you are of those humiliated and disgraced."

14. (Iblîs) said: "Allow me respite till the Day they are raised up (i.e. the Day of Resurrection)."

15. (Allâh) said: "You are of those allowed respite."

16. (Iblîs) said: "Because You have sent me astray, surely I will sit in wait against them (human beings) on Your Straight Path.

17. Then I will come to them from before them and behind them, from their right and from their left, and You will not find most of them as thankful ones (i.e. they will not be dutiful to You)."

18. (Allâh) said (to Iblîs) "Get out from this (Paradise) disgraced and expelled. Whoever of them (mankind) will follow you, then surely I will fill Hell with you all."​

Chaper 7 (Quran)

 

[Pygoscelis]

My asking of this question flows from a conversation I recently had with a self described Satanist. I told him that I could not be of like mind because Satan does too many nasty things (or so I believe). He asked me to name a few and I was unable to do so.

If one views God (rightly or wrongly) in a negative light, and as a bad guy instead of a good guy, then does Satan become a heroic figure, fighting against God, or does Satan do terrible things like killing, stealing etc.

I have heard Satan described as the Father of Lies. Can anybody tell me the origin of this? Does the Quran or Bible tell us that Satan causes us to lie or hurt one another?

 

[dougmusr]

My asking of this question flows from a conversation I recently had with a self described Satanist. I told him that I could not be of like mind because Satan does too many nasty things (or so I believe). He asked me to name a few and I was unable to do so.

If one views God (rightly or wrongly) in a negative light, and as a bad guy instead of a good guy, then does Satan become a heroic figure, fighting against God, or does Satan do terrible things like killing, stealing etc.

I have heard Satan described as the Father of Lies. Can anybody tell me the origin of this? Does the Quran or Bible tell us that Satan causes us to lie or hurt one another?

Jn 8:44 "You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.

 

[Malaikah]

If one views God (rightly or wrongly) in a negative light, and as a bad guy instead of a good guy, then does Satan become a heroic figure, fighting against God, or does Satan do terrible things like killing, stealing etc.

That is disgusting! :raging:

The Devil is nothing but a pure enemy of every human being! He might not kill/steal himself but he is the one who tempts humans to do it and make it seem permissible and less evil for them! He wants nothing more than to fill the hell-fire with people! The more the merrier. As if he cares about anyone else, he knows that he is doomed himself.

Even if you view God to be 'evil' (May God protect us from such foolish ideas!), how does rebelling help? The devil has his place in hell reserved already, by 'worshipping' or teaming up with him a human is doing nothing but securing themselves an eternal seat in hell!

Do they think that the devil will help them when the angel of death comes to them, and forceful snatches their soul? No! He will laugh at them, happy to have secured another person for the hell fire!

And what will the devil say to him when they meet on the Day of Judgement?! Are they still a team? Is he still his 'friend'?? No! He will betray him completely:

His companion (Satan devil)] will say: "Our Lord! I did not push him to transgress, (in disbelief, oppression, and evil deeds) but he was himself in error far astray."

[50:27]
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Honestly, some people just have nothing to rebel against so they rebel against themselves.

Pygoscelis, you don't actually believe in Satan do you? I mean, you don't even believe in God.

 

[Pygoscelis]

That is disgusting! :raging:

Well, I don't mean to offend you, but that is how God appears to many atheists and believers of religions other than the monotheistic ones. I'm not pushing it, just aknowledging it exists.

He wants nothing more than to fill the hell-fire with people!

This is what I'm asking about. And thank you, dougmusr for the reference. That's what I'm seeking. Does Satan state an agenda to put people in Hell or just to rebel against God? Are there any biblical or quranic verses stating that Satan WANTS harm to come to people, or just that he wants them to stand up to or go astray from God, harm being the ultimate consequence due to God's will and power?

Even if you view God to be 'evil' (May God protect us from such foolish ideas!), how does rebelling help? The devil has his place in hell reserved already, by 'worshipping' or teaming up with him a human is doing nothing but securing themselves an eternal seat in hell!

Well thats really a question of morality vs obedience. Many find it moral and right to stand up to "evil" even knowing that they can not win.

No! He will laugh at them, happy to have secured another person for the hell fire!

This is what I'm looking for. Please substantiate this claim, and then I can use it when next I speak to the satanist refered to in the OP.

Pygoscelis, you don't actually believe in Satan do you? I mean, you don't even believe in God.

You are correct. I don't believe that either actually exist. But that doesn't make them uninteresting as literary figures. The Satanist refered to above DOES believe in Satan and God as do the Christians and Muslims here. That alone makes it a fascinating concept.

 

[Malaikah]

Are there any biblical or quranic verses stating that Satan WANTS harm to come to people, or just that he wants them to stand up to or go astray from God, harm being the ultimate consequence due to God's will and power?

Yes it is very clear that he wants to harm us. As I mentioned in my first post:

1. He is arrogant and thinks that he is better than us. Is this what you call a justified reason to rebel against the Almighty God? Arrogance?

Iblîs said: "I am better than him (Adam), You created me from fire, and him You created from clay."​

2. He declared to lead us astray:

(Iblîs) said: "Because You have sent me astray, surely I will sit in wait against them (human beings) on Your Straight Path.

Then I will come to them from before them and behind them, from their right and from their left, and You will not find most of them as thankful ones (i.e. they will not be dutiful to You)."
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(Allâh) said (to Iblîs) "Get out from this (Paradise) disgraced and expelled. Whoever of them (mankind) will follow you, then surely I will fill Hell with you all."​

Chaper 7 (Quran)

Here he states explicitly that he has betrayed us (The setting is the Day of Judgement):

And Shaitan will say when the matter has been decided: "Verily, Allah promised you a promise of truth. And I too promised you, but I betrayed you. I had no authority over you except that I called you and you responded to me. So blame me not, but blame yourselves. I cannot help you, nor can you help me. I deny your former act in associating me with as a partner with Allah. Verily, there is a painful torment for the Zalimun (polytheists and wrongdoers).
[14:22]​

I haven't got any other resources at quote from at the moment, perhaps someone else can quote something.

 

[Keltoi]

I think of the Devil as the opposite of everything embodied in Jesus Christ. One poster described Satan as "the enemy of man", and I think that is a valid description.

 

[glo]

Although some satanists actually worship Satan as a person, to my understanding most satanists don't.

Instead they follow the idea of Satan rising up against God's authority.
In some way it preaches anarchy - the defiance against authority.

These behaviours are evident throughout Bible history:

• Adam and Eve defy God by eating the fruit which will give them 'the knowledge of good and evil' , i.e. will make them more 'like God'
• People build the tower of Babel to 'become like God'
• The Israelites turn away from God while Moses is on the mountain and build themselves a golden idol, i.e. a 'replacement for God'

These are the behaviours Satanists aspire to. To defy God and his authority. To fulfill their own needs, wishes and desires.
Foe many non-believers that may not sound so bad. Many people have a 'live-and-let-live' and 'do-what-you-like-as-long-as-you-harm-no-one' attitude.

For believers (Muslims, Christians and Jews alike) that concept is quite shocking! When all they strive for is the exact opposite: to put God first, to lead the kind of live which would please God.
So looking at Satan from the eyes of a monotheist, Satan is the ultimate enemy: he tries to come between believer and God, to tempt and entice people away from God, and thereby to destroy the one thing which is most precious: the relationship with God.

peace

 

[akulion]

Well sis to put it simply...

The worst of the worst things that humanity does..including torture, killing etc etc are ALL suggestions from the satan.

But he SUGGESTS...the people ACT

So on the day of judgment when he is asked if he MADE those people do those things, he will turn his back on them and say "I only whispered it to them, it is they who acted on it"

So deception (telling people lies) and arrogance (in front of god) are the 2 major things he does.

Apart from that I dont believe he kills or anything

 

[Abdul Fattah]

Well the answer is very simple. He has lied to every single being that exists; Making the evil look good and making the good look evil to them. So that means he is partially responsible for a lot of wrongdoings of this world.

 

[Pygoscelis]

Thank you all for your responses.

Glo, you are right on the money as far as most of the Satanists I know. It isn't that they believe Satan actually exists, though some do (ie the one I was speaking to that started this thread). Most do not. Most simply see Satan as a heroic literary figure fighting against tyrany/opression/conformity/obedience (whether the God Character in the Bible (and they see him as literary figure not an actual being) is in the eye of the reader), sort of like a Robin Hood.

Most I know are this way in reaction to the Bible and not the Quran though. I doubt many of them have any knowledge whatsoever about Islam, but that may be because they come from the same culture I do where Christianity is dominant.

I wanted you folks to list some of the negative acts associated with Satan because I honestly wasn't aware of any. Reading the Bible gave me the impression that his only "negative" trait was his rebellion against God, and if God is a negative being then that becomes a virtue. And I think that is how people become Satanist.

 

[Woodrow]

I have met a few self-proclaimed satanists. To be honest I do not believe they had any concept as to who or what satan is. They struck me more as anti-authority radicals and simply enjoyed the ability to shock other people.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

http://www.islamicboard.com/basics-islam/19707-powers-shaytaan.html?highlight=powers+of+the+shaytaan

 

[Pygoscelis]

I have met a few self-proclaimed satanists. To be honest I do not believe they had any concept as to who or what satan is. They struck me more as anti-authority radicals and simply enjoyed the ability to shock other people.

This group also exists yes. A lot of these people actually turn out to be children of hard core Christians and so its how they rebel.

I think its a very different group than those who are brought up secular or otherwise non christian and then read the bible and see Satan as a heroic literary figure (the ones I was refering to the in the posts above).

 

[syilla]

i think this board has the satanist religion thread somewhere.....

it has alot of info in it....but i don't really know where :hiding:

sorry.

 

[Skillganon]

... Making the evil look good and making the good look evil to them. So that means he is partially responsible for a lot of wrongdoings of this world.

That is more of an accurate description of his prupose, ultimately to lead a portion of mankind into hell.

 

[tasha]

hola Pygocelis,

Satan was an angel who was given a beautiful name "bringer of light" but selfishly wanted things that were not for him, and would do any horrible thing to get what he wants...


Dios te bendiga

i was under the impression that satan was not an angel. from my past studies i learned that angels have no will of their own and they obey allah swt. So is satan a jinn? and Allah swt created angels from light. someone answer this for me.