Saudi Arabia few questions...

[Abz2000]

arabs can be quite tribal - and many do seem to give preference to arabs over non-arabs despite the teachings of the Prophet (pbuh)
however you won't likely see this in hajj as hospitality and brotherhood take over at that time - only if you stay there for a while

O People, listen to me in earnest, worship ALLAH, say your five daily prayers (Salah), fast during the month of Ramadan, and give your wealth in Zakat. Perform Hajj if you can afford to.
All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not, therefore, do injustice to yourselves.
Remember, one day you will appear before ALLAH and answer your deeds. So beware, do not stray from the path of righteousness after I am gone.

 

[GuestFellow]

Racism to who thought? Westerners or just whoever is not Muslim...

Salaam,

Well I'm not entirely sure. Some Saudis are racist to other Arabs. Then there are Saudis who dislike other Saudis because they are from a different tribe while other Saudis dislike migrant workers from South Asia. Not all Saudis are like this, but I have heard from some Arab friends that racism is a major problem. In fact, one Arab student told me that some don't even realise that they are being racist.

It reminds me of my family. Some of my family members are racist but they don't realise it until I point it out to them.

 

[Abz2000]

one of my cousins worked there, he crashed his car and two groups of people began approaching him thinking he was an arab, they were asking are you from this family or the other?
(there were descendants of two large tribes in the area)
it seems to be something the Prophet saw:

Hadith - Bukhari (#397), Muslim, Tirmidhi, and Ibn Jarud
Abu Hurayrah reported that the Prophet of Allah

said,
"There are two things of which my people will never tire: wailing over the dead and finding fault with people's ancestry."

Majmoo ul-Fataawaa3/456
Ibn Taymiyyah (d.728H) rahimahullaah said: "Everything which is outside the call of Islaam and the Qur'aan, with regards to lineage, land, nationality, schools of thoughts and ways, then it is from the calls of jaahiliyyah [ignorance].
lndeed, even when the Muhaa jirs (those Companions who migrated from Makkah to Madeenah)
and the Ansaars (those Companions who aided and supported those who migrated)
argued, such that one of the Muhaajirs said:" O Muhaajirs! (implying; rally to my aid) "
And one of the Ansaar said: "O Ansaar!"
Upon hearing this, the Prophet

said:
"Is it with the calls of Jaahiliyyah that you call, and l am still amongst you!" And he became very angry at that." [Al-Bukhari 8/137]


i don't know how authentic this is but it is still recorded:

Hadith - Mishkat Al-Masabih, Vol. 2, p. 1021
The Prophet

said on the authority of Ubayy Bin Ka'b:
"If anyone proudly asserts his descent in the manner of the pre-Islamic people, tell him to bite his father's penis, and do not use a euphemism".

The Noble Qur'an - Al-Hujurat 49:11
O ye who believe! Let not some men among you laugh at others: It may be that the (latter) are better than the (former): Nor let some women laugh at others: It may be that the (latter are better than the (former): Nor defame nor be sarcastic to each other, nor call each other by (offensive) nicknames: Ill-seeming is a name connoting wickedness, (to be used of one) after he has believed: And those who do not desist are (indeed) wrongdoers.


The Noble Qur'an - Luqman 31:18
And swell not thy cheek (for pride) at men, nor walk in insolence through the earth; for Allah loveth not any arrogant boaster.

The Noble Qur'an - Al-Hujurat 49:10
The Believers are but a single Brotherhood: So make peace and reconciliation between your two (contending) brothers; and fear Allah, that ye may receive Mercy.

but we should remember not to let their ignorance overflow into our own undoing:

Hadith - Al-Tirmidhi #5989, Narrated Salman
Allah's Messenger

said, "Do not hate me and so abandon your religion."
He asked how he could hate him when he was the means by which Allah had guided them, and he replied, "By hating the Arabs and so hating me."

 

[Salahudeen]

Racism to who thought? Westerners or just whoever is not Muslim...

If you're Pakistani they don't like you and look at you as inferior, not every person in Saudi is like this, but this is the feedback I've heard from people who work there and do jobs such as taxi drivers.

Also I don't think you can ever get permanent citizenship there, even if you marry a Saudi woman she will lose her right to citizenship in Saudi, that's what I heard, how true it is allah hu alam.

 

[ardianto]

"Saudi Arabia is not the kingdom of Rasulullah (saw) because this kingdom was exist yet in period of Rasulullah (saw). Saudi Arabia is a new kingdom that established in early of 20th century by Bani Saud. Bani Saud is not a clan of Rasulullah (saw), the clan that related to Rasulullah (saw) is Bani Hashim that has been exiled to the north and later establish the kingdom of Jordan".

That is the translation of a comment that I posted in an Indonesian blog to counter a propaganda that mentioned that Saudi Arabia is a kingdom that established by Rasulullah (saw).

Frankly, in Indonesia we have a problem with some people who make propaganda that mentioned Saudi Arabia is a kingdom that established by Rasulullah (saw), Saudis are the chosen people who follow the only right Islam, and Saudi ulama are the only ulama who must be obeyed by Muslims all over the world.

Ironically those people are not Saudis, and even not Arabs ... !!! They are Indonesian but regard themselves as Saudis, and blatantly they call Indonesian Muslims as people who follow wrong Islam ... !!!

May Allah forgive those who make fitnah to their Muslim brothers.

 

[User29123]

This looks different :

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[Abz2000]

nice video, however - it doesn't mention the fact that they've killed many people without public trial for "terrorism" without even showing people the true facts,
nor does it mention the fact that the government doesn't like the idea of a caliphate taking over it's kingdom,
the whole thing was established with the help of the british government which was active in breaking up the caliphate and promoting nationalism.
anyone who knows of Lawrence of Arabia - knows that it is very similar to the nato assisted rebel takeover of libya.

 

[Muhaba]

First it is based on a Monarchy system, is this even allowed in Islam? Is this part of Shari ah,

Second women can't drive is this their country law or Islamic law?

Third, I hear the Saudi Kingdom family is corrupt, true? ( of course corruption is every where but just want to know)

islamic form of ruling is the khilafat but is currently nonexistent. Saudi Arabia is prety islamic. it's a good country and I believe is a nice place to live, except for the weather which is very hot in some parts. then there's also Mecca where there is the Kaaba and Madina where there's the Prophet's Masjid and the fact that it's a place where the Prophet SAW lived so that also makes it special.

i don't think it's unislamic for women to drive. women used to ride horses and camels and noone stopped them from that so i think that means that it's alright for women to use other forms of transportation as well as long as they don't travel too far which might endanger them.
as for ppl claiming that a woman might have an accident and then non-mahram ppl will have to carry her, that might happen if someone is walking on the street or even in their house or even when one is in the car with a male relative and there's an accident and both of them have to be picked up by nonrelatives, so this isn't a good excuse to stop women from driving.

as for corruption, I have no idea about the saudi family. Allah knows best what they are like.

 

[Amat Allah]

laa hawla wa laa qowata illa bellah wa astagfero Allah Al Atheem Allathee laa ilaha illa howa Al Hayyu Al Qayoom

I advice you just for Allah`s sake to quit or stop talking in such topics and our return is to Allah...

in the book of Arriqaaq-Sahih Al Bukhari:

Narrated Warrad: (the clerk of Al-Mughira bin Shu'ba) Muawiya wrote to Al-Mughira: "Write to me a narration you have heard from Allah's Apostle." So Al-Mughira wrote to him, "I heard him saying the following after each prayer: 'La ilaha illal-lahu wahdahu la sharika lahu, lahu-l-mulk wa lahuI-hamd, wa huwa 'ala kulli Shai-in qadir.' He also used to forbid idle talk, asking too many questions , wasting money, preventing what should be given, and asking others for something (except in great need), being undutiful to mothers, and burying one's little daughters (alive)."

Narrated Sahl bin Sa'd: Allah's Apostle said, "Whoever can guarantee (the chastity of) what is between his two jaw-bones and what is between his two legs (i.e. his tongue and his private parts), I guarantee Paradise for him."

Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "Whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day should talk what is good or keep quiet, and whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day should not hurt (or insult) his neighbor; and whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day, should entertain his guest generously."

Narrated Abu Huraira: That he heard Allah's Apostle saying, "A slave of Allah may utter a word without thinking whether it is right or wrong, he may slip down in the Fire as far away a distance equal to that between the east."

Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet; said, "A slave (of Allah) may utter a word which pleases Allah without giving it much importance, and because of that Allah will raise him to degrees (of reward): a slave (of Allah) may utter a word (carelessly) which displeases Allah without thinking of its gravity and because of that he will be thrown into the Hell-Fire."


Narrated Abu Huraira: I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "My example and the example of the people is that of a man who made a fire, and when it lighted what was around it, Moths and other insects started falling into the fire. The man tried (his best) to prevent them, (from falling in the fire) but they overpowered him and rushed into the fire. The Prophet added: Now, similarly, I take hold of the knots at your waist (belts) to prevent you from falling into the Fire, but you insist on falling into it."

and Allah knows the best

 

[Scimitar]

Hope this helps.

 

[peace_maker]

السلام عليكم


I just want to know these few questions about Saudi.

First it is based on a Monarchy system, is this even allowed in Islam? Is this part of Shari ah,

Second women can't drive is this their country law or Islamic law?

Third, I hear the Saudi Kingdom family is corrupt, true? ( of course corruption is every where but just want to know)

and Last, is it good place to live in?

I'm not sure if Monarchy is allowed in Islam. according to I heard I think it's not allowed.

Well, it is definetely the country's law, as it's the only country in the whole word to have a ban on women driving.

Ofcousre, it's corrupt. Every royal family is corrupt. This is what happens when they become leaders.

No matter what how corrupt the people and the government is, it's always a great place to live in.... Numerous mosques, hijabed women, most of all, Makkah and Madinah. People who live here have peace in their hearts.

 

[Scimitar]

Monarchy in Islam is not allowed... The ruler (amir) must be voted in and must be a man who doesn't seek the position. This is evident from reading the Seerahs of the first three khaliphs of Islam.

 

[Abz2000]

well a clear distinction is made between Caliphate and monarchy.

"Hadhrat Huzaifa narrated that the Messenger of Allah said:
*Prophethood will remain among you as long as Allah wills.
Then Caliphate (Khilafah) on the lines of Prophethood shall commence,
and remain as long as Allah wills.
Then corrupt/erosive monarchy would take place,
and it will remain as long as Allah wills.
After that, tyrant kingship/ military kingdoms would emerge,
and it will remain as long as Allah wills.
Then, the Caliphate (Khilafah) shall come once again based on the precept of *Prophethood."In the above Hadith the first era of Caliphate is commonly accepted by the Muslims as that of the*rightly guided Caliphate.

this has been the government of God from since Adam:
30. Behold, thy Lord said to the angels: "I will create a vicegerent/caretaker (KHALIFAH) on earth." They said: "Wilt Thou place therein one who will make mischief therein and shed blood?- whilst we do celebrate Thy praises and glorify Thy holy (name)?" He said: "I know what ye know not."
Quran 2:30

it is true that Solomon (pbuh) was David's (pbuh) Heir, but that was also a Caliphate which Solomon (pbuh) was deemed fit to take on.
(i'm sure you wouldn't consider the two bush's to be monarchs - despite the ballot fraud)

O David! We did indeed make thee a vicegerent (KHALIFAH) on earth: so judge thou between men in truth (and justice): Nor follow your own desires.
for they will mislead thee from the Path of Allah. for those who wander astray from the Path of Allah, is a Penalty Grievous, for that they forget the Day of Account.
Quran 38:26

we can see here that he was told to rule by the rule of God - and not of his own desire.

Christ (pbuh) also spoke of this type of government:

After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
10Thy kingdom come.
Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
11Give us this day our daily bread.
12And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
13And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil:
For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
Matthew 6

It was We who revealed the law (to Moses): therein was guidance and light.
By its standard have been judged the Jews, by the prophets who bowed to Allah's will,
by the rabbis and the doctors of law: for to them was entrusted the protection of Allah's book, and they were witnesses thereto:
therefore fear not men, but fear me, and sell not my signs for a miserable price.
If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) Unbelievers.
Quran 5:44

when the king of Saudi Arabia signs the u.n documents and hands over supreme rule to the security council - he becomes a disbeliever in God.

eco-logic, Sunday, December 05, 1999
U.N. Millennium Assembly celebrates arrival of global governance
By Henry Lamb
A decade of preparation will culminate in the year 2000, in a massive celebration and series of events, carefully designed to change the world forever. The United Nations' Millennium Forum, Assembly, and Summit have been planned to set the world on a course of global governance under the authority of the United Nations.
The new scheme of global governance will empower, and fund, the United Nations to be the supreme governmental authority on the planet. Selected NGOs (non-government organizations), called civil society, will take their place as both representatives of the people, and implementors of U.N. policies. More than 130 international organizations, called IGOs (inter-governmental organizations), will be consolidated as direct administrative agencies of the new U.N. system. National governments will become administrative units, reporting through the appropriate IGOs, to the supreme authority of the U.N.

it is described in the Quran as Godhood, and no-one has the authority to claim that:
But he rejected it and disobeyed;
[SUP]22[/SUP]Further he (pharaoh) turned his back striving hard.
[SUP]23[/SUP]Then he collected his men and made a proclamation
[SUP]24[/SUP]Saying “I am your Lord most high.”
[SUP]25[/SUP]But Allah did punish him and made an example of him in the hereafter as in this life.
[SUP]26[/SUP]Verily, in this is an instructive warning for whosoever fears:

Quran 79

 

[Riana17]

Salam

Personally I have no idea about Dubai, but I would come back to you if our trip happens inshallah

I could talk about Q8, i dont have problem here, living for 8yrs alhamdollelah its all good, but there are no places to go really (for homebody like me, its good) Life is simple

I have nothing against Kuwaitis, my in law is Kuwaiti and he is kind person (may Allah reward him), but Kuwaiti's are too rich (free school, hospital, houses, allowance from birth, highest salary in the world) so we all know when someone looses faith in Allah or does not have good control, then the fastest way to ruin life is money, it is evil.

Life becomes boring when everything comes easy and you dont work for the money on your pocket, there is no reason to wake up early in the morning.

Finally I love Bahrain, I was there for 2weeks, I observe how friendly and kind people are, infact it was rated as Most Friendliest country in the world by forbes.com, Bahrainis can be Manager, or a car cleaner, well Kuwaitis are all in high position, no one works in the restaurant etc
Now Bahrain are having little internal trouble , inshallah will be over soon
But then by that time, things can be very different, so perhaps, you should see the country first before moving

Also we were in Malaysia for two weeks, we absolutely love it, my husband once said, if ME is not anymore peaceful place to live, we will move to Malaysia inshallah

Mashallah Beautiful country, I've never seen a country before that has thousands of same built-designs of houses before (wow people do not envy or dont mind their houses are alike of the rest lol) and yet there are hectares of farmlands, clean environment, loved by all the people of the world, I think they are 2nd or 3rd most Visited country in the world, and yes cheap too

 

[peace_maker]

Even Saudis are of very high status. That's what's corrupting them. Easy life...

 

[esperanza]

But they allow women to be driven around by men I heard, and the male driver is alone with the woman in the car isn't this more fitna?? Don't know if this is true but it's what I was told.

yes this is true and many saudi women travel about with non mahram drivers..yet women are not allowed to drive

 

[esperanza]

Salaam,

Well I'm not entirely sure. Some Saudis are racist to other Arabs. Then there are Saudis who dislike other Saudis because they are from a different tribe while other Saudis dislike migrant workers from South Asia. Not all Saudis are like this, but I have heard from some Arab friends that racism is a major problem. In fact, one Arab student told me that some don't even realise that they are being racist.


It reminds me of my family. Some of my family members are racist but they don't realise it until I point it out to them.

sadly yes there is quite alot of racism,,,towards other arabs and espeially asians..and many saudis think themsaleves superior......but not all be sure...
but yes arabs tend to be racist among themselves..

for example they favour whiter skinned people..and arabs not saudis but others will judge against dark skinned especcially women,,,,i have heard arab women discussing this..thinking a white skinned women is preferrable

 

[Abz2000]

 

[GuestFellow]

Even Saudis are of very high status. That's what's corrupting them. Easy life...

Salaam,

Not all Saudis are rich. I have heard of Saudi people that are very poor.

 

[ardianto]

But they allow women to be driven around by men I heard, and the male driver is alone with the woman in the car isn't this more fitna?? Don't know if this is true but it's what I was told.

This is the question that has been questioned many times to those who support prohibition to drive for women. And their answer, bigger fitnah will happen if those women drive alone than driven by non-mahram drivers.

I know, you must be confused by their statement. But, I think now it's time to reveal the reasons behind that prohibition that I collect from some fatawa and statement.

Those non-mahram drivers are not just any driver, but drivers who work for their husbands.

If women drive car alone, they can go anywhere they want. But if those car are driven by drivers who work for their husbands, those women will not have this 'freedom' because those drivers will report to their husbands, where they were going.

That's why they said, bigger fitnah will happen if those women drive alone than driven by non-mahram drivers.

Other reasons behind that prohibition that I read from some fatawa are :

- If women drive cars, they will show their faces. And show faces is forbidden for women.

- Can cause fitnah. If they stop in the red light, men around them can be attracted.

- Sometime technical problem happened to cars. If those women got problem with cars, men will come to help them, then this meeting will lead to zina.

- Can increase divorce rate. There is a bad habit that committed by (some) Saudi men, when they angry to their wives, they leave their wives and back to their parent homes. If women can drive, when those women angry to their husbands, they will leave their husbands and back to their parent homes.

- Can through shar'i distance limit in traveling alone for women. There is maximum distance which women are not allowed to go alone through this limit. But this distance is not measured by how far they are from homes, but by how long distance they have reached on the trip. If women drive car around the city in circular trip, although they still in the city but they have reached maximum shar'i distance, they are considered have left the city.

I know, many Muslims are disagree with reasons behind this prohibition. But those are the true reason that I found from some fatawa ans statements.

Actually, I and many other Muslims are understand if those Saudi Ulama want to protect women from evil men. But like many other Muslims, I have a question, if they only want to protect their women from evil men, why don't they allow women to drive car with one condition, accompanied with their mahram in the car. Unfortunately, there was never an answer for this question.