Saudi blood money ruling angers activists

[titus]

We can personally verify and compare news from multiple sources if they are available. But when like in this case we are just looking at one source. we are not certain if there is or is not another side to the story

Daily Mail

Albawaba

The Independent

It seems the main sources for this are the activists and Saudi media. Many reputable companies are also reporting it.

 

[Karl]

Excuse me, but on what Islamic evidence did the Shafi imam you are speaking of deduce his conclusions?. No where in the Qur'an does it say that a man who kills his wife and children is exempted from jursidical judgement. That doesn't even sound fair at all.

In the time of Muhammad a man's wife or wives and children were his property as were his slaves. Feminism, equality and socialism, humanism and the American way did not exist yet. The thing here is that a man does not fear jurisdical judgement more than he fears the judgement of God. So these killings were very rare even in pagan times. The Quran is not a law book but a religious book, it implores good behaviour and moderation in all things. Common Law would be from old customs of the day in different areas. People in those days minded their own business when it came to domestic affairs. Law scholars also use Hadeeth not just the Quran. I have not read all the Hadeeth so I can't give you the details.

 

[Futuwwa]

In the time of Muhammad a man's wife or wives and children were his property as were his slaves.

That time is called Al-Jahiliyah for a reason.

Feminism, equality and socialism, humanism and the American way did not exist yet.

Equality and Socialism are certainly Islamic values, even if they were not called that at the time. Caliph Abu Bakr launched the Ridda Wars because the apostates refused to pay zakah. That's almost as communistic as a giant missile parade ;D

 

[titus]

Caliph Abu Bakr launched the Ridda Wars because the apostates refused to pay zakah. That's almost as communistic as a giant missile parade

Sounds like colonialism to me. Or maybe imperialism. Certainly not socialism and most certainly not equality, especially considering the losers and their families became slaves of the winners.

 

[Futuwwa]

Uh, do you know the first thing about zakah or the Ridda Wars other than my previous post?

 

[Karl]

Sounds like colonialism to me. Or maybe imperialism. Certainly not socialism and most certainly not equality, especially considering the losers and their families became slaves of the winners.

Lol was this Caliph a socialist? Like Richard the Lion Heart and Julius Caesar? Lets get serious. Powerful rulers of Pagans, Christians, Muslims, Jews and whatever were/are all imperialists. I don't have a problem with Imperialism unless I am on the losing side.

 

[ardianto]

In the time of Muhammad a man's wife or wives and children were his property as were his slaves.

You know that it's not true but you try to make Muslims believe that it's true. This is not the first time you spread lie about Islam.

 

[Karl]

You know that it's not true but you try to make Muslims believe that it's true. This is not the first time you spread lie about Islam.

I think you misunderstand. This is not about Islam it is about the way things were everywhere at the time. Men were warriors and ruled their household. Interferers would be put to the sword. No man anywhere would tolerate outside interference of their private property and domestic affairs. Interfering in domestic matters would cause feuds and wars. Even in modern times some men (myself included) would not tolerate outside interference in their domestic affairs.

 

[islamica]

“O you who believe! If a Faasiq (liar — evil person) comes to you with any news, verify it, lest you should harm people in ignorance, and afterwards you become regretful for what you have done”
[al-Hujuraat 49:6]


Saudis: Muslim cleric still on trial

RIYADH, Saudi Arabia, Feb. 7 (UPI) -- A Muslim cleric charged with the torture killing of his daughter is still on trial, the Saudi government said Thursday, denying reports he was spared prison.

Fahad bin Abdullah al-Bokran, a spokesman for the Justice Ministry, said in a statement released to Saudi news media reports last week that Fayhan al-Gamdi had been ordered to pay blood money or diya to the 5-year-old girl's mother were inaccurate, Gulf News reported. He said the next court date will be Wednesday.

"The case is still being heard at the court and no sentence has been issued yet," the statement said. "The father is still in prison and we expect a ruling soon after all aspects related to the case are examined."

Al-Gamdi's daughter, Luma, died in November, after six months in a Riyadh hospital. The little girl had a fractured skull and other severe injuries.

Reports that her father would suffer only a financial penalty outraged many in Saudi Arabia.

Luma's mother, who is divorced from al-Gamdi, denied her daughter was raped.

"My daughter was not raped," she told Saudi news media. "All the official evidence both at the hospital where she was treated or by the police indicate that she had not been raped by her father. I am shocked by the assault on my daughter's honor."

The government says al-Gamdi is not an official cleric. He is known for television appearances.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-Ne...2961360269972/