Saudi justice

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al-muslimah said:
Those saudi apostates ahve betrayed the ummah they don't even know correct sharia.They just sit down with their coffee and dates and are as Shaykh Feiz said " comfortable " what traitor.They are nothing like their greaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat granfather Muhammad ibn saud he was atrue man whil abdulaziz and Faysal and Fahd are all murtadeen.He would have been ashamed to see them today.
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that means apostate, right?
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al-muslimah said:
Those saudi apostates ahve betrayed the ummah they don't even know correct sharia.They just sit down with their coffee and dates and are as Shaykh Feiz said " comfortable " what traitor.They are nothing like their greaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat granfather Muhammad ibn saud he was atrue man whil abdulaziz and Faysal and Fahd are all murtadeen.He would have been ashamed to see them today.
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Assalaamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatulaah,

And who are these people you are declaring Takfir upon? You should really be careful dear sister. Safe guard you tongue and leave these matters to the scholars of Islaam.
 
al-muslimah said:
Those saudi apostates ahve betrayed the ummah they don't even know correct sharia.They just sit down with their coffee and dates and are as Shaykh Feiz said " comfortable " what traitor.They are nothing like their greaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat granfather Muhammad ibn saud he was atrue man whil abdulaziz and Faysal and Fahd are all murtadeen.He would have been ashamed to see them today.
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Could that be because he had a true Sheikh ul Islam Muhammad ibn Abd-al-Wahhab to guide him while current ones guide and appoint thier favorite petro-dollar loving scholars?
 
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Excuse me sister Mu'minah Maybe you should search for knowledge and then come and yell at me. I know what takfir is do you? They have commiitted takfir daeefatul kufr. Read the book
BEWARE OF TAKFIR
By Abu Hamza Almisri
***you will understand more.So lets not debate now.
 
Scholars have done this and don't accuse me of something true.
Allah says
Wa man lam yahkum bima anzalallah faolaika humul kafirun-- and whoever doesn't rule with the book of Allah are the disbelievers.( surah maidah:44)
 
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We are deviating from topic :ooh: ...although that has become the standard of world affairs section in LI. Seriously we should name it "Anything goes" section you know what Im saying :ooh: that way people might get much needed drugs to recover from the experience.

Anyways we are entering dangerous grounds :zip:. Calling Takfir on people should be left to the Scholars as Sister Al-Mu'minah said. We shouldn't be going around judging anyone who hasn't openly apastated or been made Takfir on by someone superior to them in knowledge or more then one scholars on their level.

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We are deviating from topic :ooh: ...although that has become the standard of world affairs section in LI. Seriously we should name it "Anything goes" section you know what Im saying :ooh: that way people might get much needed drugs to recover from the experience.

Anyways we are entering dangerous grounds :zip:. Calling Takfir on people should be left to the Scholars as Sister Al-Mu'minah said. We shouldn't be going around judging anyone who hasn't openly apastated or been made Takfir on by someone superior to them in knowledge or more then one scholars on their level.

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http://www.islamicboard.com/world-affairs/53570-saudi-justice-7.html#post861738
 
YES!!!! i mean him .May Allah protect him and he lost both hands in jihad and an eye.May Allah have mercy on him and now they brang him to America to get a " fair trial " please. They want to torture a man who has no hands .some free democracy.Lanahumullah.
 
al-muslimah said:
YES!!!! i mean him .May Allah protect him and he lost both hands in jihad and an eye.May Allah have mercy on him and now they brang him to America to get a " fair trial " please. They want to torture a man who has no hands .some free democracy.Lanahumullah.
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only if you knew him! he was a disillusioned/disgruntled ex-British Government employee, bent on revenge, just like Br. Saddam was, once, a (failed) former CIA assasin!
 
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Um........... scholars, at least the true scholars have already made takfir on them such as Shaykh Abdullah Faysal and they made allegiance to kuffar hello!! duh that makes them apostates they turned muslims and scholars over to the kuffar governments and whoever does that in Islam , turn a muslim over to the enemy side have apostasized.They took the jews and christians ( US and UK) as awliya( friends) and Allah says " oh you who believe do not take the jews and christians as awliya: friends and allies.
HELLO!! THEY HAVE DONE THAT. A LONG TIME AGO IT IS IN THEIR BLOOD.
 
al-muslimah said:
No he wasn't maybe you are dillusional since you believe media lies.
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ah well! there is no answering to such "knowledeable" person as yourself, so I have got to admit defeat and bow out.

al-muslimah said:
Um........... scholars, at least the true scholars have already made takfir on them such as Shaykh Abdullah Faysal and they made allegiance to kuffar hello!! duh that makes them apostates they turned muslims and scholars over to the kuffar governments and whoever does that in Islam , turn a muslim over to the enemy side have apostasized.They took the jews and christians ( US and UK) as awliya( friends) and Allah says " oh you who believe do not take the jews and christians as awliya: friends and allies.
HELLO!! THEY HAVE DONE THAT. A LONG TIME AGO IT IS IN THEIR BLOOD.
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other day I asked a supermod to give me a freehand to deal with posts and people such as these but was not granted permission, so my hands are truly tied

P.S you have just called hijrah to Medina and Habsha haram as well as any and all treaties signed by RasulAllah with jews and kuffaar too! (either by distorting context or copying from some hate site/book)

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(please do not misunderstand as I despise al-Sauds as much as the next man, but there is no need to distort Quraan or use decrees from criminals to prove anything)
 
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By NoName55--"P.S you have just called hijrah to Medina and Habsha haram as well as any and all treaties signed by RasulAllah with jews and kuffaar too! (either by distorting context or copying from some hate site/book)
(please do not misunderstand as I despise al-Sauds as much as the next man, but there is no need to distort Quraan or use decrees from criminals to prove anything)"

What will you use for proof?? "logic and reason"?get a life.
 
al-muslimah said:
Excuse me sister Mu'minah Maybe you should search for knowledge and then come and yell at me. I know what takfir is do you? They have commiitted takfir daeefatul kufr. Read the book
BEWARE OF TAKFIR
By Abu Hamza Almisri
***you will understand more.So lets not debate now.
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Scholars have done this and don't accuse me of something true.
Allah says
Wa man lam yahkum bima anzalallah faolaika humul kafirun-- and whoever doesn't rule with the book of Allah are the disbelievers.( surah maidah:44)
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May Allaah increase you in goodness sister, I am not yelling at you nor do I want a debate anymore then you do, but I felt it was my duty as your sister in Islaam to advice you not to get into Takfir we do not have knowledge regarding this issue. Thus we should leave it to the people of Sunnah.Some people let their emotions get in the way and as a result make takfir without due right.

The issue of takir for ruling by other than what Allah has revealed is one wherein there are different issues. The two imam, Bin Baz and al-Albani (raheemahumallah). Views that it is minor kufr not major. The newspaper ash-sharq al-Awsar published and article wherein the Muftee Abdul Azeez bin Baz stated:

“I came across a beneficial answer from the noble shaykh Muhammad Naasirudden al-Albanee, may Allah grant him success, which was prnted in the newspaper ash-sharq al-Awsat and al-Muslimoon wherein the noble shaykh answered a question that was put to him regaring takfeer due to not ruling by what Allah has revealed without explanation.
He made it clear, may Allah grant him success, that it is not permissible for anyone to make takfeer of whoever does not rule by other than what Allah has revealed due to the mere action without knowing if he considered it lawful to do that in his heart. He made use of what is found from ibn Abbas (r), and others from the salaaf of the ummah. There is no doubt that what he mentioned in his answer in the tafseer of the verse

“Whoever does not rule by what Allah has revealed, then they are the disbelievers.”

“Whoever does not rule by what Allah has revealed then they are the transgressors.”
Al-Maa’idah:47

Is correct, and he, may Allah grant him success, mafe it clear that kufr is of TWO types, major and minor, just as transgression is two, and likewise sin is major and minor. So whoever makes it lawful to rule by other than what Allah has revealed or makes it lawful to make zinaa or to legalise interest or legalises anything else from the prohibited acts, which are agreed upon as being impermissible, has disbelieved due to the major kufr. Whoever does such actions however, without making them lawful, then his kufr and his transgression is minor transgression and likewise is his sin. ”

This is what the Lajna ad-Daa’imah was upon under the presidency of Shaykh Abdul Azeez ibn Baz. It answered the following question:


“Question: Is the one who does not rule by what Allah has revealed a Muslims or a disbeliever who has committed major Kufr?

Answer: Allah said:

Whoever does not rule by what Allah has revealed, then they are the disbelievers. Al-Maa’idah: 44

And Allah has said:

Whoever does not rule by what Allah has revealed then they are the transgressors. Al-Maa’idah verse 45

And Allah has said:

Whoever does not rule by what Allah has revealed then they are the sinful.
Al-Maa’idah verse 47


HOWEVER, if he makes that lawful and believers that it is permissible, then it is major kufr, major transgression and major sin which expels one from the religion. As for doing it out of bribery or out of another intent whilst believing that it is prohibited then such as person has sinned and is considered a disbeliever who has committed minor kufr and minor sin which Does not expel the person from the religion., as the people of knowledge had elucidated in their explanation of the mentioned verses. ”

Our respected shaykh, Abdul Azeez bin Baz said:

“Whoever rules other than what Allah has revealed does not escape from four issues:

1.The one who says “I rule by this (i.e a man-made laws) because they are better then the Divine Legislation of Islaam (i.e Sharee’ah)” then such a person is a disbleiver, who has committed major kufr.

2.The one who says “I rule by these man-made lawas as they are like the Divine Legislation of Islaam, and ruling by it is permitted, just as ruling by the Divine legislation of Islaam is also permitted” such a person is a disbleiver who has commited major kufr.

3.the one who says “I rule by these laws, but the Divine Legislation of islaam is better, but ruling by other than what Allah has revealed is permitted.” Such a person is disbleiver who comiited major kufr.

4.The one who says “I rue by these man-made laws” yet believes that it is not permissible to rule by other than what Allah has revealed and says “Ruling by the Divine Legislation of Islaam is better and it is not permissible to rule by other than it” yet is weal or does this out of what his rulers have originated before him, such a person is a disbliever who has comiited minor kufr which does not expel him from the religion and the action is considered to be from major sins.”
 
Sorrry sister.
No that is not what I meant they are ruling with Allah's book but in a wrong way sometimes. My problem is woth the so called saudi royal family they are traitors and are wrong.Many scholars have made takfir on them that newspaper.Ibn Baz is atrue scholar and what he said was right.
I was talking about takfirul ijtihad( kufr based on individual judgment) refering to that ayah in surah maidah:
Ex. one who doesn't rule with the book of Allah occasionally is not a kafir but has commited a major sin as reported in an authentic hadith by Ibn Abbas(ra).However one who doesn't rule with Allah's book all the time is a kafir according to the hadith of Ibn Masud and Ibn Abbas.(raa).That what I meant sister Muminah.Jazakallah.
 
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