Saudi woman driver's lashing 'overturned by king'

[GuestFellow]

^ People in Saudi Arabia should be actively involved in deciding how to govern their country. Not pressure from other countries. Change must come from within.

 

[Crystal]

I agree with that ^

 

[User29123]

TrueStranger is right, one thing i don't like is about Saudi is the war to be honest no Muslim country is doing anything to help our brothers and sisters dying. I think only IRAN spreads the word. I should start hacking them lol...

 

[GuestFellow]

TrueStranger is right, one thing i don't like is about Saudi is the war to be honest no Muslim country is doing anything to help our brothers and sisters dying. I think only IRAN spreads the word. I should start hacking them lol...

Salaam,

No Muslim country can actually stop America and it's allies, unless they all unite and form some sort of an alliance. Iranian leaders make anti-west speeches in order to distract its own people form their domestic problems like high unemployment...

 

[Rhubarb Tart]

If Saudi stops supporting USA, they would weaken USA. And USA wouldn't be so powerful would it? Other countries would follow their example. Saudi along with Britain, Israel are the biggest supporters and contributors for the war in Afghanistan and Saudi also agreed with the war in Libya.

Saudi people will NEVER challenge their government neither will British people or american. About oil for domestic use? so how do you suppose the planes landing bombs in Libya move?

I don't agree with lashing, a bit much, a fine would do and since the country treats their women like children why on earth should she take responsibilities like an adult? About other ways, what other way is there?

 

[Rhubarb Tart]

And do you think license is importance or even tested in Saudi Arabia like their road are safe to begin with? 14 years old boys are allowed to drive with license and cause more road accidents and death there. Lol at driving test, do they teach about speed? If they do, they clearly need to monitor the roads more carefully because I would permanently remove many people driving license for driving like a loon.

Anyhow I agree with you, Saudi people are the only people that have rights to govern their country. AS long as this stupid rule is not copied by other country.

 

[User29123]

Its true Saudi or British or American people have not challenged their government, but Julian Assange has and many other hackers however some have quickly been shut down and put in Jail and also called "rapist"

 

[Jedi_Mindset]

If a women could've ride camels, donkeys and horses to in our Nabi(PBUH) time, then they can drive cars to, aslong they've a Mahram with them.

 

[joyous fairy]

^ Yep.

Also, if you think about it she wasnt actually breaking the license law. She doesnt have the opportunity to follow the law fully (i.e get a license) so she had to do what she could and improvise (i.e drive without a license because it is impossible for her to get one, right?)

So say if she drove and then showed the police a woman made license, would she have been given the same punishment? Or say if she had been taught to drive and had for example a British driving license and showed that to them would she be given the same punishment?

 

[GuestFellow]

Salaam to all...

Also, if you think about it she wasnt actually breaking the license law. She doesnt have the opportunity to follow the law fully (i.e get a license) so she had to do what she could and improvise (i.e drive without a license because it is impossible for her to get one, right?)

That is not an excuse. This women should have not been driving in the first place, since she did not have a driving licence and driving for women is banned. If she had issue with the law, she should have campaigned against the law without breaking any rules.

I have heard of cases where people have been driving without a licence and put other road users (including pedestrians) in danger. Some road users have been killed. It is irresponsible behaviour and people that drive without a licence ought to be punished.

So say if she drove and then showed the police a woman made license, would she have been given the same punishment? Or say if she had been taught to drive and had for example a British driving license and showed that to them would she be given the same punishment?</span>

I assume she would still be punished because all women are not allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia.

If Saudi stops supporting USA, they would weaken USA. And USA wouldn't be so powerful would it? Other countries would follow their example. Saudi along with Britain, Israel are the biggest supporters and contributors for the war in Afghanistan and Saudi also agreed with the war in Libya.

Saudi Arabia has no choice. If it stopped supporting USA, it will be invaded at some point. Other Muslim leaders countries may not support Saudi Arabia. I doubt Saudi Arabia will take such a risk.

I'm certain US has foreseen that oil will not last forever and it MAY have invested in alternative forms of energy.

Saudi people will NEVER challenge their government neither will British people or american.

How do you know?

About oil for domestic use? so how do you suppose the planes landing bombs in Libya move?

Oil is used for many things, like fueling cars. It is not just used in the military. Like I said, I see nothing wrong with giving oil to countries for domestic usage.

I don't agree with lashing, a bit much, a fine would do and since the country treats their women like children why on earth should she take responsibilities like an adult? About other ways, what other way is there?

Would you argue that America treats women like sex objects? : O

And do you think license is importance or even tested in Saudi Arabia like their road are safe to begin with? 14 years old boys are allowed to drive with license and cause more road accidents and death there. Lol at driving test, do they teach about speed? If they do, they clearly need to monitor the roads more carefully because I would permanently remove many people driving license for driving like a loon.

I'm not sure how they monitor road safety. I believe it is foolish to let people drive independently without a driving licence.

Its true Saudi or British or American people have not challenged their government, but Julian Assange has and many other hackers however some have quickly been shut down and put in Jail and also called "rapist"

It is risky to challenge the government. What happens if no one supports you? What happen to your family? Who will look after them once you are put on trial, convicted and sentenced to prison? There are cases where friends and family are punished too...

Challenging the government is dangerous and extremely risky. Only take such a risk if you can cope with the loss.

 

[Roasted Cashew]

Saudi Arabia needs to get it's act straight. Women can't drive? That is just plain stupid. About time they change this ridiculous and discriminatory law.

 

[AabiruSabeel]

Courtesy of The Saudi Gazette

 

[joyous fairy]

Salaam to all...

That is not an excuse. This women should have not been driving in the first place, since she did not have a driving licence and driving for women is banned. If she had issue with the law, she should have campaigned against the law without breaking any rules.

I have heard of cases where people have been driving without a licence and put other road users (including pedestrians) in danger. Some road users have been killed. It is irresponsible behaviour and people that drive without a licence ought to be punished.

I assume she would still be punished because all women are not allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia

It is risky to challenge the government. What happens if no one supports you? What happen to your family? Who will look after them once you are put on trial, convicted and sentenced to prison? There are cases where friends and family are punished too

Challenging the government is dangerous and extremely risky. Only take such a risk if you can cope with the loss.

Walaikum salam,

I agree that crimes should be punished, however, I dont think we should assume that she didnt know about the risks involved in what she was doing. How many years has it been since men have been driving in SA? In all those years dont you think women have tried getting the law changed? Dont you think that she drove as a last resort in trying to get the law changed? Are there more women than men in SA? Probably. And they would have challenged this law before doing anything dangerous.

Also, you have stated at the end of your post that its dangerous to challenge the government. So how should the women go about protesting laws that they dont agree with? If the government dont listen, they have to resort to other means that would at least get them noticed and this woman did exactly that. She probably was prepared to face the consequences and I think people will forget about this soon enough, not much will change, sadly. Unless more women did something that would bring about change.

Plus, I dont think you can say the country is not ready for women driving. If they are ready to have cars on the street, they should be ready for women drivers. :hmm:

 

[GuestFellow]

Walaikum salam,

:wa:

How many years has it been since men have been driving in SA? In all those years dont you think women have tried getting the law changed? Dont you think that she drove as a last resort in trying to get the law changed? Are there more women than men in SA? Probably. And they would have challenged this law before doing anything dangerous.

There was a Saudi documentary. Some women agreed to share their views about driving. One said that when society is ready to change, women will drive. Some Saudi women cannot read read/write while others cannot even afford a car from what I have heard on the documentary or I think it was an article (I can't remember). Taking this risk is not justifiable IMO.

Also, you have stated at the end of your post that its dangerous to challenge the government. So how should the women go about protesting laws that they dont agree with? If the government dont listen, they have to resort to other means that would at least get them noticed and this woman did exactly that. She probably was prepared to face the consequences and I think people will forget about this soon enough, not much will change, sadly. Unless more women did something that would bring about change.

That is a different issue. I was responding to this post.

Its true Saudi or British or American people have not challenged their government, but Julian Assange has and many other hackers however some have quickly been shut down and put in Jail and also called "rapist"

Julian Assange did not put other people in danger in the process of revealing important information. He may possibly have legal arguments to support his case.

For this Saudi women, she put other road users in danger. I'm certain she can raise this issue with the monarchy or individuals with significant influence over the monarchy in a polite and respectful manner by writing letters or something along these lines.

Besides, the monarchy from what I have read, have no problem with women driving. It is the society that have problems with women driving. This will only work if the society actually changes. Challenging the government and breaking laws will not have much effect.

Plus, I dont think you can say the country is not ready for women driving. If they are ready to have cars on the street, they should be ready for women drivers. :hmm:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWD4KzSpj_g

I do agree that these driving laws do not make sense. If the monarchy is not going to enforce women driving ban, then these laws are useless.