Saudi woman seeks to put women in the driving seat

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Pєαяℓ σf Wιѕ∂σм ;1441414 said:
Assalaamu Alaaykum they are not! I heard that women are safe drivers You are lucky you are an admin akhee! I wish there was a sister who was a red mod!
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Please don't take it so seriously sister, I was just joking :)

al yunan said:
Salam brother R, Oh Oh! That's a major big time faux pas ! Masalam
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I knew I would get the reaction once I pressed the "post quick reply" button ;D

al yunan said:
PS: can always change name
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I just did. I am assuming a new identity now, I am scared of getting the brunt of the anger of the sisters here. Should I go for full plastic surgery too?
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As long as they're not Asian women, why not? Honestly, that rule should be placed against Asian American women drivers. But as far as Arab women are concerned, I give them the benefit of the doubt. I've never had a problem with them. They tend to get their licenses late anyway.

:) My two taka.
 
Saudi King has already stated that this isn't a religious issue but its a cultural issue

and did any saudi mutawwa release any fatwa saying women who drives against the law are sinful ?
 
I've seen a burka woman driving a 2010 M5 Here where i live :s anyways i read a lebanese article about accidents by women drivers .there was a big percentage of accidents by women driving big 4 wheelers cos women feel safe in them ,they think it's big vehicle So it must be safer. So imagine inexperienced saudi women driving those big gmc's , you know cos big 4 wheelers are the prime choice in ksa . But in saudi arabia it's not a matter of safety cos they can afford building huge driving schools for women unlike here in lebanon it's a chaos we don't have driving schools. So i wonder Why they don't allow them!

And about that burka woman driving M5 the something like 110 thousand dollars car, seriously not cool where is her modesty! That's maybe another reason Why saudis bans women from driving cos it's not cool to see a burka woman driving expensive cars . The Next day you will see millions of sarcastic pictures on the net of rich saudi women driving something like a 2 million dollars bugati. That would be something really contradictive with islamic modesty!
 
Salam akhi,

That's a very unique perspective and after some thought I must agree whether male or female not cool in deed.

masalam
 
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Wow I didnt know driving an expensive car is like showing off a leg...lmao who knew?

Where the sense of so called modesty with men who drive expensive cars? Or does that rule only apply to women. Yep probably it does.

It is a sexist law pure and simple.
 
How do they allow a male driver to sit in the same car with a woman but women are not allowed to be completely alone and drive the car themselves ?
 
Getoffmyback said:
I've seen a burka woman driving a 2010 M5 Here where i live :s anyways i read a lebanese article about accidents by women drivers .there was a big percentage of accidents by women driving big 4 wheelers cos women feel safe in them ,they think it's big vehicle So it must be safer. So imagine inexperienced saudi women driving those big gmc's , you know cos big 4 wheelers are the prime choice in ksa . But in saudi arabia it's not a matter of safety cos they can afford building huge driving schools for women unlike here in lebanon it's a chaos we don't have driving schools. So i wonder Why they don't allow them!

And about that burka woman driving M5 the something like 110 thousand dollars car, seriously not cool where is her modesty! That's maybe another reason Why saudis bans women from driving cos it's not cool to see a burka woman driving expensive cars . The Next day you will see millions of sarcastic pictures on the net of rich saudi women driving something like a 2 million dollars bugati. That would be something really contradictive with islamic modesty!
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As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Getoffmyback:

Are you confusing modesty (The quality or state of being unassuming or moderate in the estimation of one's abilities) with
humbleness (not arrogant or prideful)? If a person has the means and can afford whatever luxury that isn't haram how to do we make it haram?

I don't agree with the wealth squandering, abuse, misuse of many leaders, Kings, Monarchs and despots of so-called Muslim countries but if a regular wealthy Muslim who earned their wealth halal can purchase anything halal they desire.

Why do we demonize practicing Muslims because our condition is less desired.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 2, Book 24, Number 490:

Narrated Ibn Masud:

I heard the Prophet saying, "There is no envy except in two: a person whom Allah has given wealth and he spends it in the right way, and a person whom Allah has given wisdom (i.e. religious knowledge) and he gives his decisions accordingly and teaches it to the others."
 
I think the Saudis should go back to horses, donkeys and camels, cars are wicked decadent Western contraptions. Shut down oil and go back to date growing and clean living. Imagine the tourist potential, come to a country NOT seduced by the temptations of Satan.
 
Saudi Arabian women demanding right to drive are threatened with beatings, arrested
By Elizabeth Flock

Manal al-Sharif in her driving video (Screengrab from youtube) Manal al-Sharif, a woman arrested for organizing an online campaign to encourage Saudi women to drive on June 17, was supposed to be released by police today.

She won’t be.

Instead, Sharif will remain in custody for 10 more days, despite allegedly confessing and repenting for recording a video on YouTube that showed her driving.

Women are unofficially banned from driving in Saudi Arabia.

A Saudi blogger in Riyadh, Eman Al Nafjan, says the report is likely wrong. Sharif did not repent. “Manal’s support campaign and personal friends have denied all this and insist that Manal remains strong,” Nafjan wrote on her blog, Saudi Woman.

Meanwhile, Saudi men have launched a campaign to beat women who drive their cars on June 17.

The “The Iqal Campaign: June 17 for preventing women from driving” Facebook page has attracted more than 6,000 supporters and advocates that men hit women with the cord (Iqal) used to hold on a traditional headress. Some are even proposing they distribute boxes of Iqals for men to use that day.

Author Saudi Abdo Khal, writing in Okaz, said he did not know “whether to laugh or cry” over the proposed Iqal campaign, according to the Agence France-Presse.

But blogger Nafjan is less surprised by the response. “Regarding the whipping, that was completely expected, that happened even 20 years ago,” she said over the phone from Riyadh.

But Nafjan says some things are different now.

“It used to be that we would protest, and there was just one platform. The religious establishment and newspapers would only put out the official story, which would only be against the woman. The difference now is other platforms can be used,”she said.

Sharif’s campaign has used Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube to spread the word.

The Lede blog has reported that much of Sharif’s online campaign has been deleted, including the YouTube video of Sharif driving, a second clip in which she talked about the June 17 protest, and a Facebook page she set up called “Teach Me How to Drive So I Can Protect Myself.” Even the Twitter account Sharif used to spread news of the protest movement was copied and altered to make it seem as if she had canceled the campaign.

But that hasn’t ended the women’s protests. A new “Teach Me How to Drive So I Can Protect Myself” Facebook page is up. A page called “We are all Manal al-Sharif: a call for solidarity with Saudi women's rights,” has gathered 19,000 followers. Sharif’s driving video is on YouTube again, along with her original message about the protest.

“[The government] needs to understand that censorship does not work anymore,” says Saudi blogger Ahmed Al Omran, who writes on his blog Saudi Jeans from New York, where he is a graduate student at Columbia Journalism School. “By the time they removed one version of the video, dozen copies of the same video appeared.”

Watch Sharif’s driving video:


Sharif is not the first to demand that women be allowed to drive. In November 1990, more than 40 women drove their cars in the middle of Riyadh, which resulted in severe condemnation by the official religious establishment and a statement by the interior ministry that women were not allowed to drive.

“Legally speaking, there is no law banning women's driving,” says Omran. “The [Interior Ministry statement is] still a statement, never a law.”

In 2008, an activist recorded a similar video of herself behind the wheel on YouTube. But Nafjan says the government ignored her, in part because she was in the desert, not a city, and in part because she was an activist known for stirring up trouble.

“Manal is not an outsider, she is not known for doing stunts. She is a respected woman and role model. So the government is paying attention,” says Nafjan.

“Everybody wants to take a stand against it. There are thousands of women [in Saudi Arabia] who have international licenses, but few drive. We are afraid of the consequences. Manal was not. She is very brave.”

By Elizabeth Flock | 10:16 AM ET, 05/26/2011
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...atings-arrested/2011/05/26/AGuDBzBH_blog.html


If this is real....:anger:
 
Now this is getting global coverage BTW Iqal campaign is really a bad idea
saudis are concerned that this is not just manals sherifs idea but its some kind of conspiracy againts saudi thats y this issue is getting worse and saudi
ministry of interior is handling in such a way <-- I read this in "Eman Al Nafjans" blog

may be saudi authorities are concerned on the on going secret dating may be they think that this will increase secret dating and parties bt may be
any way banning women from driving and saying women who drove are sinful is not gud
 
Salaam

I agree with most of the sentiments expressed in this thread, this law needs to be repealed. Obviously they need to do it according to their own laws and customs but I hope it happens soon.
 
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Any saudi people on forum did women tried to approach the king or queen and solve this problem in a peaceful way ? like discussion ?
 
If majority of Saudis (men and women) want to keep the ban, good for them!
 
mad_scientist said:
If majority of Saudis (men and women) want to keep the ban, good for them!
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It's not good for those who don't want to keep it. In the case of the women, anyway, I would venture to suggest that group includes the vast majority of those who would choose to drive if there were no ban.

Sometimes democracy becomes, as J S Mill put it, the tyranny of the majority.
 
Why women are not allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia ?

I tried to find the answer, and I found, it's based on Saudi Ulama fatawa. Then I "reviewed' those fatawa, and I found, the daleel that used in those fatawa are daleel about women who do travel without their mahram. Actually those daleel can't be used to ban women to drive cars.

So, I think it's better if Saudi women offer a "win-win solution", ask Saudi Ulama to change their fatwa into "Women are allowed to drive as long as their mahram is/are in the car"
 
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