Scans see 'gay brain differences'

[Uthman]

i am just to help people who are GAy...! i am straight guy!

She wasn't referring to you.

 

[Tornado]

You are still not addressing the drug analogy. Explain why your analogy is different than the drugs analogy. Or you believe drugs should be allowed freely?

I don't understand your drug analogy. You are talking about somebody who dislikes drugs (similar to a homosexual who dislikes(sexually) the opposite sex), but then forcing them to to take drugs as it is the only acceptable way (forcing homosexuals to only like the opposite sex, whom they aren't attracted to).

If homosexuals get married, how does it affect you? It doesn't. Let them do what they want as long as they are happy and aren't negatively affecting anything.

 

[جوري]

This thread has completely diverted from its original path..
let's recap then we can close it!
two opinions, you can fall into the category of choice and let it rest!

Being gay is a form of sexual deviation, as originally defined by the DSM before the new age wave... It is a sin religiousely speaking! No more on the matter needs to be said..
Like knowing that pre-marital or extra marital sex is wrong without an institution
or consciousely disengaging from a pederast act with a consenting 13 year old, or taking more than one consenting wife, you understand the difference of what it is against religious law and what goes against state law..

On the other hand, you can let 'state law' define your morality and are ok with homosexuals gyrating their bodies whilst wearing blindingly colorful speedos in front of your three year olds, because they really can't help it...

Homosexuality isn't a choice to you, and certainly we have seen examples of that when ann heche decided she was no longer a lesbian, left her female lover Ellen DeGeneres to become hetrosexual again, or when George Micheal decided to forgo women for lewd acts in public for which he was arrested more than once...

No, it is as the scans on those ninty folks tell us, an inborn trait..

with that I hope we are done here!

 

[Chuck]

Some corrections for what you put in brackets.

You are talking about somebody who dislikes drugs (similar to a homosexual who dislikes(sexually) the opposite sex)

Nope: similar to a heterosexual who dislikes(sexually) the same sex.

but then forcing them to to take drugs as it is the only acceptable way (forcing homosexuals to only like the opposite sex, whom they aren't attracted to)

Nope: forcing heterosexual to only like the same sex, whom they aren't attracted to.

It was a parallel to your analogy that you were giving to the sister here.

If homosexuals get married, how does it affect you? It doesn't. Let them do what they want as long as they are happy and aren't negatively affecting anything.

How does drug additicts taking drugs affect me either?

 

[Umar001]

Has this thread not run its course?

 

[Tornado]

Has this thread not run its course?

Yea probably.

Chuck, I truly understand your analogy at all.

 

[Tornado]

..sorry, I meant I don't understand

 

[root]

I think it has run it's course. I think it's a great example that Islamaphobia and homophobia are both the same thing, they are both grounded in ignorance. Islam to me appears more homophobic than any other religion on this planet.

Nuff said me thinks.

 

[Chuck]

If you guys want to end the thread, then I'll explain without going into step by step.

(1) I see a problem with his analogy. He assumed female will have a healthy relationship with male, which goes against what he is trying to show here. I don't know why he would use that analogy.

(2) Perhaps he was trying to show that heterosexual can't be homo so neither can homo be hetero. Now that doesn't show that they are born with it? His analogy is about likes and dislikes rather than if a person is born with it. Not to mention he is comparing with a healthy choice with unhealthy choice. Naturally most people will prefer healthy choice, it doesn't add to his argument if these people can't take unhealthy choice. But anyway lets move forward.

(3) In OP it is said that homos have a different brain so it should be acceptable. Well brain of drug addicts are different too.

There are many biological factors that are involved with the addicted brain. "The addicted brain is distinctly different from the nonaddicted brain, as manifested by changes in brain metabolic activity, receptor availability, gene expression, and responsiveness to environmental cues."

http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/1891

(4) If their society accepts homosexuality, fine, it is their society. But Muslim society don't need to accept it which they consider against the natural order created by God. Many western countries are now paying for birth to increase their population. Tell me which muslim country pays to increase their population. If these lifestyles are going against natural selection and evolution then what there is to add what is natural and what is not. :giggling:

adios

 

[جوري]

Here is a guy who draws assimilations between religion and a deviant sexual act..
Do we really need to keep this going? further do you really need members like that aboard?

 

[suffiyan007]

u can refer to koran(Quran) the tafseer translated arabic to English....! u will know that God the Allah punished the people of Prophet Luth....people going to be gay...and God Sent down the stone rain onto the people who doing homosex..(in Sodom and Gomorrah)....Allah turn the world upside down....and the homosex people trapped into the water....now is called Dead Sea....!the dead sea if peope going there u swim u will not be drowned! and this is the lesson that teach the peoples who on that centurY!

 

[suffiyan007]

luth has given his daughter to the people....but no one seem attracted and his wife also punished by God !

God Said: a man dont ever love a man, he will punish.if not punish in the world it will punish on the LAST DAY....(judgement Day)...and the day u die!

 

[Tornado]

I think it has run it's course. I think it's a great example that Islamaphobia and homophobia are both the same thing, they are both grounded in ignorance. Islam to me appears more homophobic than any other religion on this planet.

Nuff said me thinks.

I don't know about more homophobic, but I do think it's very sad that there is even a discussion like this

 

[BlackMamba]

Wouldn't the fact that there are much less gays in Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia, prove that people arent born gay?

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Wouldn't the fact that there are much less gays in Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia, prove that people arent born gay?

the fact that there are less openly gay people in the KSA proves that the KSA is a repressive country.
Some say that the fact gay people exist in countries like SA is a proof enough gays are born that way..

 

[Tornado]

Wouldn't the fact that there are much less gays in Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia, prove that people arent born gay?

It doesn't. Coming out and admitting that you are gay or a lesbian is harder to do in Saudi Arabia that it would be to do in a society where it's more acceptable. If anything, the scans pretty much prove people are born that way.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Al Habeshi it has, close it please.

 

[BlackMamba]

the fact that there are less openly gay people in the KSA proves that the KSA is a repressive country.
Some say that the fact gay people exist in countries like SA is a proof enough gays are born that way..

Okay, theres 25 million gays in the United States alone, thats like 12 percent. I know that theres not that many gays in KSA. Maybe a few here and there but not anywhere near 12 percent. And of the gays in KSA, barely any probably commit sodomy, which is the what is actually punishable by religions.

 

[Azy]

Being gay is a form of sexual deviation, as originally defined by the DSM before the new age wave... It is a sin religiousely speaking! No more on the matter needs to be said..

I thought the homosexual act was prohibited, not the state of being homosexual itself.
As for it's classification, are we to accept medical progress only so long as the Islamic world agrees with the outcome?

On the other hand, you can let 'state law' define your morality and are ok with homosexuals gyrating their bodies whilst wearing blindingly colorful speedos in front of your three year olds, because they really can't help it...

State law and morality should probably be two separate things, each person's morality is subjective and individual.
On the issue of homosexuals gyrating in front of three year olds, perhaps the parents should take responsibility for where their children are and what they're doing.
If it's genuinely lewd behaviour in public, most countries have laws against that.

Chuck
Many drugs are available freely, alcohol, nicotine, why pick drugs? Why not forcing people to eat cake if they don't want to? I think you're just trying to play on the extra revulsion factor that muslims will have towards drug use.

When discussing sex between heterosexuals, is the physical act all that matters? Surely in Islam sex is not something that happens independently, it must be within marriage between loving partners. Most people would see the sexual act as an integral part of a normal relationship, why must you separate it out into a purely mechanical act when it comes to homosexuals?
Are you ok with homosexuals who live together and have an otherwise full relationship but without the sex?

(1) I see a problem with his analogy. He assumed female will have a healthy relationship with male, which goes against what he is trying to show here. I don't know why he would use that analogy.

He assumed the poster was heterosexual. Being a female muslim arguing against homosexuality I don't think that's too bad an assumption.

(2) Perhaps he was trying to show that heterosexual can't be homo so neither can homo be hetero. Now that doesn't show that they are born with it?

He was illustrating that one can't choose who they're sexually attracted to. Try it out.

(3) In OP it is said that homos have a different brain so it should be acceptable. Well brain of drug addicts are different too.

So different people are susceptible to different things, where are you going with that?

(4) If their society accepts homosexuality, fine, it is their society. But Muslim society don't need to accept it which they consider against the natural order created by God. Many western countries are now paying for birth to increase their population. Tell me which muslim country pays to increase their population. If these lifestyles are going against natural selection and evolution then what there is to add what is natural and what is not.

Is pumping out babies somehow more worthy than being a productive citizen in an economic sense? What does population growth have to do with morality? Since when did you start arguing on the basis of evolution? Define 'natural'.

Okay, theres 25 million gays in the United States alone, thats like 12 percent. I know that theres not that many gays in KSA. Maybe a few here and there but not anywhere near 12 percent. And of the gays in KSA, barely any probably commit sodomy, which is the what is actually punishable by religions.

Interesting you use the USA as an example since they are the most religious of the Western nations and should by your reasoning have the lowest rates of homosexuality.
I think your last sentence gives you the answer, sodomy is punishable in KSA, so why would gays openly admit to it?

 

[Malaikah]

If anything, the scans pretty much prove people are born that way.

Really? I must have missed the part in the article where it said the researchers went back in time to scan the brains of the gay people as babies to figure out if they were different at birth as well...:blind: