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She stopped taking her medication again, I let the hospital know, they've been and had a chat with her and she still refused.

They said they will force her to take it under the mental health act, but can they do this even if the person is not a danger to themselves or others?
 
well i never heard of that because people stop taking medication all the time maybe it was cos u let the hospital know about it
 
cat eyes said:
well i never heard of that because people stop taking medication all the time maybe it was cos u let the hospital know about it
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Yeh I told them cos I wanted them to do something, I'm hoping they can force her to take the medication cos she wil have another episode in a few months time otherwise.
 
yeah she should keep taking her medication if she wants to get better and willmake dua for her to why has she stopped taking them ?
 
Cos she got better and believes she doesn't need them now. I kept telling her in a few months you could have a relapse if you stop taking them then she said "well if I do have a relapse you can make me take them then till I get better"

then I said will you take them regurarly after that she said "no" it's really irritating.

she thinks she won't relapse. But I can all ready see a change in the way she talks it's all hyper and fast. then it goes to depressed and sad.
 
squiggle said:
She stopped taking her medication again, I let the hospital know, they've been and had a chat with her and she still refused.

They said they will force her to take it under the mental health act, but can they do this even if the person is not a danger to themselves or others?
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technically there is one loop hole but that applies here in the U.S as you know the laws differ from state to state and certainly country to country...

I think the best way to do this and it might not seem so ethical to you is to convince her that she is taking a vitamin shot and in fact give her some IM B12 admixed with her depot med. all she has to do is take it twice a month.. now, I know no body who isn't well in the mind that thinks there is something wrong with them.. in fact it is always the sanest people that are most worried about their mental health so I can understand why she is behaving this way.. from her perspective there is nothing wrong with her..

in the U.S you can hold a person for 24hr period until you get a court order and force meds on them.. anything goes unfortunately when one is declared incompetent!

May Allah swt ease your affairs akhi and hers
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Gossamer skye said:
technically there is one loop hole but that applies here in the U.S as you know the laws differ from state to state and certainly country to country...

I think the best way to do this and it might not seem so ethical to you is to convince her that she is taking a vitamin shot and in fact give her some IM B12 admixed with her depot med. all she has to do is take it twice a month.. now, I know no body who isn't well in the mind that thinks there is something wrong with them.. in fact it is always the sanest people that are most worried about their mental health so I can understand why she is behaving this way.. from her perspective there is nothing wrong with her..

in the U.S you can hold a person for 24hr period until you get a court order and force meds on them.. anything goes unfortunately when one is declared incompetent!

May Allah swt ease your affairs akhi and hers
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she would also refuse a vitamin shot, she declines all medication full stop.

yes from her perspective she is abosultely fine, which has led her to the conclusion that I no longer love her or want her around and that's why I'm doing this.

But she doesn't realise I can notice the steady change in her personality, and it's progressively changing each day. But she doesn't notice it :hmm:

She said I can leave if I want to, but I should stop forcing her to take medication when there's nothing wrong with her.

during an episode it's easier to get her to take the medication cos she's so scared she does anything you say. But she's not in an episode at the moment so it's hard. But she will end up having an episode if we don't get her to take the drugs now.
 
squiggle said:
she would also refuse a vitamin shot, she declines all medication full stop.

yes from her perspective she is abosultely fine, which has led her to the conclusion that I no longer love her or want her around and that's why I'm doing this.

But she doesn't realise I can notice the steady change in her personality, and it's progressively changing each day. But she doesn't notice it :hmm:

She said I can leave if I want to, but I should stop forcing her to take medication when there's nothing wrong with her.

during an episode it's easier to get her to take the medication cos she's so scared she does anything you say. But she's not in an episode at the moment so it's hard. But she will end up having an episode if we don't get her to take the drugs now.
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I think the problem is she doesn't realize that a medication isn't putting something extra in her body but regulating the catecholamine neurotransmitters that she has which are out of whack.. do you think if someone sat her and explained to her that she'd be more compliant? If a person is declared incompetent then technically she can be forced to take meds against her will but that is a court decision in other words a doctor can only write his/her evaluation and then the court can declare her incompetent at least that is how it is in the U.S once a person is declared incompetent (it is a bad thing in my opinion) but you can have a power of attorney over her affairs at that stage and yes she can be given meds against her wishes..

do you have a family elder that can oversee these matters along with you?

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Gossamer skye said:
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I think the problem is she doesn't realize that a medication isn't putting something extra in her body but regulating the catecholamine neurotransmitters that she has which are out of whack.. do you think if someone sat her and explained to her that she'd be more compliant? If a person is declared incompetent then technically she can be forced to take meds against her will but that is a court decision in other words a doctor can only write his/her evaluation and then the court can declare her incompetent at least that is how it is in the U.S once a person is declared incompetent (it is a bad thing in my opinion) but you can have a power of attorney over her affairs at that stage and yes she can be given meds against her wishes..

do you have a family elder that can oversee these matters along with you?

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She says she doesn't like the way it makes her feel, like she's disorientated and slowed down. Like she's not apart of the world she says. It makes her groggy and lazy and she doesn't like it.

She said it goes straight to her head, I will tell her the medication isn't adding any chemcials to your brain it's just regulating them. But she's so stubborn I doubt it will work.

My uncle could but to be honest the family is kinda tired of her cos she keeps having episodes due to not taking medication and they're losing patience.

My uncle told the doctor to force her to take the meds or admit her to the hospital. And they can admit any one for upto 28 days if they deem it to be in that person's best interest.

Last time the doctor said each time she has an episode she's taking longer to come out of it so if she has another episode he will make her take the injection.

but the trouble is she's not in an episode, if she was it would be easy to get her to agree to take it imsad

she's just jumping to absurd conclusions and unable to relax, she's very hyper and fast speech/eratic.

I made her egg and toast and crushed a 2mg pill and put it in her food without her knowing. hoping it will keep her calm till 2moro when the doctor comes.

she's determined to not take the meds, she began ringing solicitors and asking about the mental health act and her rights. imsad
 
squiggle said:
She says she doesn't like the way it makes her feel, like she's disorientated and slowed down. Like she's not apart of the world she says. It makes her groggy and lazy and she doesn't like it.

She said it goes straight to her head, I will tell her the medication isn't adding any chemcials to your brain it's just regulating them. But she's so stubborn I doubt it will work.

My uncle could but to be honest the family is kinda tired of her cos she keeps having episodes due to not taking medication and they're losing patience.

My uncle told the doctor to force her to take the meds or admit her to the hospital. And they can admit any one for upto 28 days if they deem it to be in that person's best interest.

Last time the doctor said each time she has an episode she's taking longer to come out of it so if she has another episode he will make her take the injection.

but the trouble is she's not in an episode, if she was it would be easy to get her to agree to take it imsad

she's just jumping to absurd conclusions and unable to relax, she's very hyper and fast speech/eratic.

I made her egg and toast and crushed a 2mg pill and put it in her food without her knowing. hoping it will keep her calm till 2moro when the doctor comes.

she's determined to not take the meds, she began ringing solicitors and asking about the mental health act and her rights. imsad
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:sl: you are very sweet akhi may Allah swt ease your affairs.. you have shared yourself and bared your soul here I know and can imagine how difficult this is for you..
the only other thing I can think of is giving her the injection yourself every two weeks while she is sleeping.. do you know how to give IM injections? it is really not difficult they can teach you in the hospital .. I can send you some pamphlets on where you can safely give it to her..

what do you think of that? do you think that is possible?

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ameen,

hmm she would wake up the minute I come near her, she is a very light sleeper, she can feel people's presence even when she's asleep.

If you just walk in the room she opens her eyes and starts looking around like she could feel your presence.

looks like the doctor will have to force her, they even offered her a liquid solution but she refused them, then they offered her other medications but she refused point blank.

I hope she doesn't dislike me in the future for letting the doctors force the meds on her.

cos right now she can't stand me, I'm hoping after the medication takes effect she will calm down and be like it's no big deal.

or she might hold a grudge against me even then :(
 
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she isn't well akhi so don't take anything she feels or does when she isn't lucid with other than a grain of salt, surely beneath all that you are her son and she loves you more than anything .. anyhow we all go through four different stages of sleep and one of them is very deep, you of course have no way of figuring out when that will be as it differs from person to person based on many factors.. but if you can get her during a stage IV sleep you can give it to her quite effectively .. think about it a little and let me know, also you should discuss this with her doctor directly see what he has to say..

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squiggle said:
She stopped taking her medication again, I let the hospital know, they've been and had a chat with her and she still refused.

They said they will force her to take it under the mental health act, but can they do this even if the person is not a danger to themselves or others?
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cant you disguise them in her food or drink?
 
^why dont you offer to make it and/or offer to help her make it and slip in then? like offer to make her tea and put them in...
 
that would work for 1 or 2 days but not every single day. She jus took her hijaab off and went out to the shop :( she's really high, waiting for doctor to come. If he doesn't force her to take meds I'm leaving. She's decided she doesn't wanna wear hijaab anymore. I've taken her keys and not letting her leave the house.

When she gets better she will probably want to wear it again. she's so hyper, she's started playing music and dancing :( so unlike her.
 
yea dont let her leave the home be strict with her being to soft will not work either cos she will do stupit things
 
cat eyes said:
yea dont let her leave the home be strict with her being to soft will not work either cos she will do stupit things
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she's shouting at me calling me ******* son imsad the doctor is coming in the afternoon. I will tell him she is getting agressive.
 
May Allah Ta'ala make it easy for you, my dear brother. I just don't know what else to say, except for the fact that the rest of us should be grateful...
 
Rashad said:
May Allah Ta'ala make it easy for you, my dear brother. I just don't know what else to say, except for the fact that the rest of us should be grateful...
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jazakallah khair akhi ameen, she is definitely bi polar cos there's no other symptoms like hearing voices this time. It's just her behaviour is erratic then slumps to depression. and not herself.

the doctor diagnosed her as schizophrenic but I think it's bi polar with paranoia.
 

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