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I understand.
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Engand you are not British enough. lol. You need a lesson in Britishness. LOL.
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I strongly disapprove of learning history in the recent French style you know.
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I would only want to fight 'for king and Country' if I thought that Britian was fighting for a good cause. I would never willingly join the army today unless we were going to Sudan to stop the Jingaweed or something.
I wasn't talking about joining the army to fight wars that don't even concern us. I am against that myself. I wouldn't fight for this country in a war such as Iraq and Afghanistan, although medically I'm unable to do so. But if someone tried to invade or attack my home then I would willingly fight as would anyone else with sense.
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What if this country was run by a Neo-Nazi dictatorship, and America invaded us to depose them? Would you still fight for Britain?
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What if this country was run by a Neo-Nazi dictatorship, and America invaded us to depose them? Would you still fight for Britain?
I'd only fight for my home. If that neo-nazi dictator posed a threat to my homeland and our people then I would support war against that dictatorship.
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Maybe that's why "there is no loyalty to this country or pride" and "Islamic terrorists" are "blow up Britain and its innocent civilians".
Moderate muslims
Now that's a word I just don't get ... what the hell is a Moderate Muslim?
Have you seen someone using the word a Moderate Jew or a Moderate Christian or maybe a Moderate homosexual. What wrong with using a Muslim?
Next it going to be ethnic cleansing your with us (Moderate Muslim) or a Muslim terrorists.
ask a kurd whether they were bombs with mustard gas from planes during the iraqi rebellions against british rule. yes they did occur.
but england, please try to understand that is exactly how the muslims feel about their present rulers? a bunch of tinpot dictators and kings imposed on them by the leaving colonial powers.
so let me ask you this question, if france invaded britain, you and i would be fighting on the same side as defending your home against agression is an obligation in islam.
now if france won and imposed a strict french style fascist government, then would you consider not only attacking the french occupying forces here in the uk but also in france also if you had the means available?
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i still dont feel the non muslims on here have been able to answer the question, if schools are to teach britishness then what is britishness so the rest of us can decide if this is a good thing or not?
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Don't call us British, we're from England
by Matthew Hickley
The number of people describing themselves as "British" is plummetting amid fears for the future of the United Kingdom.
A major survey of social attitudes among 3,000 Britons reveals a dramatic surge in people who see themselves first and foremost as "English" - in an apparent reaction to nationalism and devolution in Scotland and Wales.
While the British identity is in decline, so is the traditional importance of church and political party in people's sense of who they are.
By contrast class appears to be alive and well.
While the working class appears to be shrinking and the middle class is growing, there is no sign of any breakdown in the traditional distinctions with almost everyone feeling they belong to one or the other.
The undermining of the 'British' identity has potentially far-reaching consequences for the political map of the nation.
A recent Daily Mail poll revealed that most voters in both Scotland and England want the two countries to split apart - or failing that for England to have its own parliament to decide English policies without interference from Scottish MPs.
The potential break-up of the 300-year-old union threatens to present Chancellor Gordon Brown with a constitutional crisis if he becomes Prime Minister, and he will fight hard to preserve the union.
Independence for Scotland - and an end to Scottish MPs, including Mr Brown, voting in Westminster - would devastate Labour's position south of the border.
While the Tories also support the union they are calling for reforms to address the so-called West Lothian Question - namely why Scottish MPs should still be allowed to vote on purely English domestic policy in Westminster while English MPs have no say over devolved Scottish affairs such as education.
The British Social Attitudes survey has been carried out by the National Centre for Social Research since 1983, and today's publication marks the 23rd set of results.
Other key findings include a marked shift away from support for civil liberties, with Britons increasingly willing to give up hard-fought freedoms for the sake of tackling terrorism.
Plotting the decline of the British identity, the report warns of potentially damaging consequences for society, with people becoming less likely to show a "willingness to die for their communities", or to feel an obligation towards fellow citizens, especially those in need.
Possible reasons include globalisation and international links - "most strikingly through the developing institutions of the European Union" - as well as the decline of the bonds which originally held the different parts of the United Kingdom together: a shared Protestant faith and the common endeavour of building and running the British Empire.
Over the past decade the proportion of people in the UK describing their nationality first and foremost as British has fallen from 52 to 44 per cent.
In England the trend has been sharper, down from 63 to 48 per cent, while those who see themselves mostly as "English" have risen from 31 to 40 per cent since 1992.
In Scotland the proportion of people who feel "British" has dropped from 31 to 14 per cent since 1974, but the trend happened earlier than in England.
The report states: "Already relatively weak in Scotland and Wales, 'Britishness' appears now to have lost some ground in England to a sense of feeling English instead."
English respondents voiced "an apparently growing wish in the wake of Scottish and Welsh devolution to assert an English rather than a British identity."
Researchers found that 94 per cent still feel part of a particular class - the same proportion as in 1964.
The proportion describing themselves as "working class" has dropped from 64 to 57 per cent, while the middle class has risen from 30 to 37 per cent.
But many people still describe themselves as "working class" based on their origins and upbringing, even if they now have traditionally "middle class" jobs such as teachers or accountants.
"For many people their class identity is still a 'given' identity that was formed when they were growing up," the report states.
The study also reveals a rapid decline in loyalty to political parties, down from 46 per cent feeling a "very" or "fairly" strong allegiance in 1987 to 35 per cent now.
Researchers claim this trend could have "real consequences" for Britain's political system, with lower turnouts at elections and more volatile voting patterns.
Formal membership of religions is also falling fast.
The proportion of people saying they had no religion or never attended services has soared from 26 per cent in 1964 to 69 per cent now, and even those who claim to be religious are less likely to go to church regularly - down from 75 per cent to just half.
Studying attitudes to work-life balance, researchers found that more women are working longer hours - closing the gap with men - with the result that families as a whole are under more pressure.
"Work has become more intense in Britain," the report states.
"Stress at work is increasing across the board, and is now particularly common amongst managerial and professional employees."
But with stress levels rising among part-time workers, the study questions whether so-called "flexible" working is the key to better work-life balance, and suggests policy-makers should focus more on cutting stress levels.
Historian Correlli Barnnett said it was wrong to assume that citizens had to make a choice between being British or English, Scottish, Welsh and Irish.
He said: "For my part I always fill in forms as being English.
"I feel that is my basic nationality, and I am very happy to belong to the larger club that is Britishness."
He added: "This trend away from Britishness may be a reaction to globalisation.
"Perhaps, confronted with global pressures, we want to feel local loyalties. There's no reason we shouldn't take pride in the county we come from - Yorkshire, Lancashire or Norfolk - and in our feelings of Englishness or Scottishness, and still be British."
Author and commentator Frederick Forsyth said: "I think most of this is a mood, and moods come and go.
"We still talk about British troops fighting abroad. We talk about British ambassadors.
"It's only at home within these islands that this quibbling arises.
"The union is positive. The cement of the monarchy is positive.
"The political pygmies who want to break up the nation simply want to grab a bit of power."
Source
by Matthew Hickley
The number of people describing themselves as "British" is plummetting amid fears for the future of the United Kingdom.
A major survey of social attitudes among 3,000 Britons reveals a dramatic surge in people who see themselves first and foremost as "English" - in an apparent reaction to nationalism and devolution in Scotland and Wales.
While the British identity is in decline, so is the traditional importance of church and political party in people's sense of who they are.
By contrast class appears to be alive and well.
While the working class appears to be shrinking and the middle class is growing, there is no sign of any breakdown in the traditional distinctions with almost everyone feeling they belong to one or the other.
The undermining of the 'British' identity has potentially far-reaching consequences for the political map of the nation.
A recent Daily Mail poll revealed that most voters in both Scotland and England want the two countries to split apart - or failing that for England to have its own parliament to decide English policies without interference from Scottish MPs.
The potential break-up of the 300-year-old union threatens to present Chancellor Gordon Brown with a constitutional crisis if he becomes Prime Minister, and he will fight hard to preserve the union.
Independence for Scotland - and an end to Scottish MPs, including Mr Brown, voting in Westminster - would devastate Labour's position south of the border.
While the Tories also support the union they are calling for reforms to address the so-called West Lothian Question - namely why Scottish MPs should still be allowed to vote on purely English domestic policy in Westminster while English MPs have no say over devolved Scottish affairs such as education.
The British Social Attitudes survey has been carried out by the National Centre for Social Research since 1983, and today's publication marks the 23rd set of results.
Other key findings include a marked shift away from support for civil liberties, with Britons increasingly willing to give up hard-fought freedoms for the sake of tackling terrorism.
Plotting the decline of the British identity, the report warns of potentially damaging consequences for society, with people becoming less likely to show a "willingness to die for their communities", or to feel an obligation towards fellow citizens, especially those in need.
Possible reasons include globalisation and international links - "most strikingly through the developing institutions of the European Union" - as well as the decline of the bonds which originally held the different parts of the United Kingdom together: a shared Protestant faith and the common endeavour of building and running the British Empire.
Over the past decade the proportion of people in the UK describing their nationality first and foremost as British has fallen from 52 to 44 per cent.
In England the trend has been sharper, down from 63 to 48 per cent, while those who see themselves mostly as "English" have risen from 31 to 40 per cent since 1992.
In Scotland the proportion of people who feel "British" has dropped from 31 to 14 per cent since 1974, but the trend happened earlier than in England.
The report states: "Already relatively weak in Scotland and Wales, 'Britishness' appears now to have lost some ground in England to a sense of feeling English instead."
English respondents voiced "an apparently growing wish in the wake of Scottish and Welsh devolution to assert an English rather than a British identity."
Researchers found that 94 per cent still feel part of a particular class - the same proportion as in 1964.
The proportion describing themselves as "working class" has dropped from 64 to 57 per cent, while the middle class has risen from 30 to 37 per cent.
But many people still describe themselves as "working class" based on their origins and upbringing, even if they now have traditionally "middle class" jobs such as teachers or accountants.
"For many people their class identity is still a 'given' identity that was formed when they were growing up," the report states.
The study also reveals a rapid decline in loyalty to political parties, down from 46 per cent feeling a "very" or "fairly" strong allegiance in 1987 to 35 per cent now.
Researchers claim this trend could have "real consequences" for Britain's political system, with lower turnouts at elections and more volatile voting patterns.
Formal membership of religions is also falling fast.
The proportion of people saying they had no religion or never attended services has soared from 26 per cent in 1964 to 69 per cent now, and even those who claim to be religious are less likely to go to church regularly - down from 75 per cent to just half.
Studying attitudes to work-life balance, researchers found that more women are working longer hours - closing the gap with men - with the result that families as a whole are under more pressure.
"Work has become more intense in Britain," the report states.
"Stress at work is increasing across the board, and is now particularly common amongst managerial and professional employees."
But with stress levels rising among part-time workers, the study questions whether so-called "flexible" working is the key to better work-life balance, and suggests policy-makers should focus more on cutting stress levels.
Historian Correlli Barnnett said it was wrong to assume that citizens had to make a choice between being British or English, Scottish, Welsh and Irish.
He said: "For my part I always fill in forms as being English.
"I feel that is my basic nationality, and I am very happy to belong to the larger club that is Britishness."
He added: "This trend away from Britishness may be a reaction to globalisation.
"Perhaps, confronted with global pressures, we want to feel local loyalties. There's no reason we shouldn't take pride in the county we come from - Yorkshire, Lancashire or Norfolk - and in our feelings of Englishness or Scottishness, and still be British."
Author and commentator Frederick Forsyth said: "I think most of this is a mood, and moods come and go.
"We still talk about British troops fighting abroad. We talk about British ambassadors.
"It's only at home within these islands that this quibbling arises.
"The union is positive. The cement of the monarchy is positive.
"The political pygmies who want to break up the nation simply want to grab a bit of power."
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so looking at the above we have as britishness,
a shared protestant faith,
building of the empire
and the monarchy.
surely someone can do better than that?
i feel no tug of affection towards any of those things, if that is what is britishness then count me out.
Abu Abdullah
a shared protestant faith,
building of the empire
and the monarchy.
surely someone can do better than that?
i feel no tug of affection towards any of those things, if that is what is britishness then count me out.
Abu Abdullah
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so the UK isn't breaking up?hmmm..too bad,I would have liked that to see for my own reasons.
i would say there is a 20-30% chance of scotland breaking away, but they know they are not financially stable on their own but if the scotish nationalists win a couple elections in a row its a bigger posibility.
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